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Personally it isn't sex I mind or even sexual innuendo or humor, but the gratuitous scenes that are there just to be sexual eye (or ear) candy for the viewer, hence the term fanservice. I can't say that I mind it in something that is already labeled "ecchi", because if the anime's content is extreme enough to be considered that, then I would consider it part of the main genre of the anime. But what of all those animes in which more gratuitous sexual references are added in the belief that sex sells and more is always better, even if it adds nothing to the story and might actually detract from it? Those of us who are not teen boys (or overgrown teen boys) with no need to see panty-shots of 2D teen girls for no good reason or a shower room scene just so we can see girls in suggestive states of undress, find these unnecessary interruptions to the flow of the story become an annoyance if there are too many of them. So while this type of fanservice isn't extreme enough to be labeled "ecchi" it is there, and can take a fair amount of screen time, not to mention make nonsense of some story/world building and logic just so you can have the girls in kinky outfits.
However, if the story actually contextualizes the sexual innuendo well so that it doesn't just seem to be there first and foremost as fanservice (and with a poorly written plot rationale) but actually does actively add and further the story and characters, then that is a different story. But I have seen very few cases of that. Mostly what I have seen are animes in which the fanservice was kept at a moderate and tasteful level, meaning they didn't overuse it and timed it well so that it didn't interrupt the story. So for those who may not like fanservice too much it was much easier to tolerate, and to just focus on enjoying the other aspects of the anime.
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I don't get creeped out by seeing cartoon characters sexualized any more, (probably because I've watched so much anime I just feel desensitized to it). In fact, it can often add to a show or a character and can sometimes even be genuinely sexy.

However, I dislike it when fanservice is shoehorned into a show that really did not need or benefit from the presence of said fanservice in the first place (like when I'm watching an action anime for action and I get boobs). It feels cheap, patronizing and cynical. It's particularly gross when fanservice is used in a way that breaks the tone. Thankfully that's quite rare though.

There's many other fanservice-related-peeves I (and others) have. For example, often female characters that are innocent / prudish will be forcefully sexualized by the narrative i.e. accidentally seeing them nude or whatever. Not only does this feel contrived, but if the anime has actually done a good job selling this character as a real person, you feel weirdly sympathetic for her / guilty for looking. It's also just really sleazy.

I also feel uncomfortable when a show tries to turn me on with something-I-most-certainly-do-not-want-to-be-turned-on-by in a context that isn't even meant to be ironic or making a point. i.e. a pointless tentacle scene or a loli. Traps don't bother me because it's not seriously trying to turn me on - it's a joke. Though it is kinda sad that 99% of lgbt representation is traps and camp gays added for lulz.

I speak as someone who's watched and loved shimoneta and prison school. (p;edit and loved Yoko Littner from TTGL)
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MacMeaties wrote:

Must be the only person who has noticed less of it than there used to be :/ Remember when there were shows with ATX broadcasted uncensored versions each season? Remember when you could see a pair of bare breasts without them being obscured by "generic harem protag"?

Even Strike Witches Brave Witches didn't have nipples! That's how bad it is getting! STRIKE WITCHES DID NOT HAVE NIPPLES!!!


I'm with you on this one. I think if anything we are on a slight down turn in fan service at the moment particularly on the shows aimed at younger audiences. Compare the original Dragon Ball to its modern counterpart for instance. The one place I really see fan service pushed these days is shounen romantic comedies with a TV14 rating. There is an entire crop of these titles that are basically strait up ecchi where as that used to be R17 territory.

Oddly enough the actual R17 titles themselves seem to be more censored than they used to be. If they are making R17 adult anime and they decide to put in sexual content why bother with the immersion breaking censorship bars of light and darkness? I don't mind the artful covering up of something explicit using foreground or long hair etc. but those god awful censorship blurps all over the screen or weird barbie doll breasts with missing nipples are an absolute eye sore.

If its already rated as adult only and they committed to putting in the explicit content to begin with, then why in the name of the God of animation would they purposely mar the final product and turn it into an obtrusive eye sore? Either don't bother putting it in to begin with or just remove the silly censor bars. If the show they are working on is TV14 then that sort of stuff that would need censoring probably shouldn't be there to begin with.
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I'm sure the people in Japan producing this stuff check this message board regularly to see if we approve.
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I don't mind that, but there are limits. Sometimes, it feels like they just take too far.
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bigd0311 wrote:

I'm sure the people in Japan producing this stuff check this message board regularly to see if we approve.


You will be surprised, we are talking about the same Country that saved Terra Online literally by microtransactions of Elin costumes.

https://tera-forums.enmasse.com/forums/general-discussion/topics/BHS-Elin-saved-Tera





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MeltingSky wrote:

I'm with you on this one. I think if anything we are on a slight down turn in fan service at the moment particularly on the shows aimed at younger audiences. Compare the original Dragon Ball to its modern counterpart for instance. The one place I really see fan service pushed these days is shounen romantic comedies with a TV14 rating. There is an entire crop of these titles that are basically strait up ecchi where as that used to be R17 territory.



And a lot of these are harems... copy pasta generic harems that are the bane of anime imo. And two of my favourite ecchis are Samurai Girls/Bride and MonMusu so it's not that I'm completely adverse to harems, just the utter sputum that is being mass produced these days.




Oddly enough the actual R17 titles themselves seem to be more censored than they used to be. If they are making R17 adult anime and they decide to put in sexual content why bother with the immersion breaking censorship bars of light and darkness? I don't mind the artful covering up of something explicit using foreground or long hair etc. but those god awful censorship blurps all over the screen or weird barbie doll breasts with missing nipples are an absolute eye sore.

If its already rated as adult only and they committed to putting in the explicit content to begin with, then why in the name of the God of animation would they purposely mar the final product and turn it into an obtrusive eye sore? Either don't bother putting it in to begin with or just remove the silly censor bars. If the show they are working on is TV14 then that sort of stuff that would need censoring probably shouldn't be there to begin with.


That's one area I think Monster Musume did a really good job. It is very well known/notorious for being an unapologetic ecchi manga series but the TV anime animated it in such a way that the vast majority of censorship was done by camera angles, foreground objects and the characters themselves rather than after effects like light bars, mist or (the worst of the lot) floating chibis and emblems. It wasn't until the bluray release, in which they completely reanimated whole scenes, that the audience got any actual uncensored nudity.


One area I can 110% agree on anime "fanservice" becoming obtuse is that for the last 5 or 6 seasons there has been a straight up softcore porn anime every season.
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Now I'm not denying fan service exists, but I seriously wonder why people think fanservice is on some kind of uptrend.

Early anime in the 80's and 90's except for the stuff aimed at kids was about gore and nudity. Sex scenes weren't uncommon.

In the 2000's and 2010's we've really gone away from gore (think of a samurai anime in the 80's and 90's and one that would be created today, if someone slashed a stomach open in the 90's, you expected to see guts, today just see blood, and eventually some wraps) But the fanservice is still around, just different.

Censorship also got really strict in Japan from what it seems like, so fanservice sort of changed to how it is today, more toned down and "subtle".

I got it, cleavage and panty shots aren't what you call subtle, but what I mean is stuff like in the 90's, you fully exposed breast in anime and now that's sort of out the door except for OVA and uncut stuff for ecchi anime.

If you want an example: Chun Li vs Vega in the SFII anime movie. Can you imagine Capcom letting Chun Li go full frontal nudity for 2 minutes in a shower scene before fighting Vega in an over-sized T-shirt and underwear? This is often heralded as one of the greatest sequences of animation in the 90s and is explicitly fanservicey.
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There's never enough fanservice.
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Its not fan service

It's standard practice, get it right!

When will you learn
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If you let us know what genre that you want to find new fanservice-less anime, we'd could probably make some recommendations. Unless the genre is harem.
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I don't mind fanservice, what bugs the crap outta me is the flood if fanservice anime/manga that revolves around some complete piece of garbage "everyman" MC.

It's not bad when its Yuri or the MC is equally as good looking, take something like Masamune-kun no Revenge, the MC busted his ass to get in shape. He showed effort and its believable.

But when its like a harem revolving around some total asswipe that has a smaller build than the majority of the harem then its just total shit.

Then again, if the MC's in these are representative of the target demographic then there not much to be said.

It's not even power fantasies, that would bug them with pesky thoughts like they could be better if they put in the extra effort like the MC. No no, they need the fantasy to be based around a character that they could be right now with no extra effort, that exists in a bizzaro alternate universe where they don't suck.
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The Internet becomes open to the public: 1994.

The first time I see the same old complaint about fan service in anime: 1994.
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Personally it isn't sex I mind or even sexual innuendo or humor, but the gratuitous scenes that are there just to be sexual eye (or ear) candy for the viewer, hence the term fanservice. I can't say that I mind it in something that is already labeled "ecchi", because if the anime's content is extreme enough to be considered that, then I would consider it part of the main genre of the anime. But what of all those animes in which more gratuitous sexual references are added in the belief that sex sells and more is always better, even if it adds nothing to the story and might actually detract from it? Those of us who are not teen boys (or overgrown teen boys) with no need to see panty-shots of 2D teen girls for no good reason or a shower room scene just so we can see girls in suggestive states of undress, find these unnecessary interruptions to the flow of the story become an annoyance if there are too many of them. So while this type of fanservice isn't extreme enough to be labeled "ecchi" it is there, and can take a fair amount of screen time, not to mention make nonsense of some story/world building and logic just so you can have the girls in kinky outfits.
However, if the story actually contextualizes the sexual innuendo well so that it doesn't just seem to be there first and foremost as fanservice (and with a poorly written plot rationale) but actually does actively add and further the story and characters, then that is a different story. But I have seen very few cases of that. Mostly what I have seen are animes in which the fanservice was kept at a moderate and tasteful level, meaning they didn't overuse it and timed it well so that it didn't interrupt the story. So for those who may not like fanservice too much it was much easier to tolerate, and to just focus on enjoying the other aspects of the anime.


This. I'm probably the most sex-positive person you'd ever meet, but when helium boobs and bulging-vulva panty shots are shoehorned into every other scene, it's just annoying and detracts from the story. I watch/read a fair amount of seinen which often has a lot of sexual content, but it's almost always part of the story. And the attitude is different. I have no patience for the giggly middle-school innuendo and humor that you get in the more fanservice-y shonen. Maybe I'm just old, though, and unable to appreciate the teenage-boy perspective since I've never been one. I could wish, though, that if they're going to relentlessly pile on the fanservice, they at least would make it more realistic. Like maybe have boobs that actually follow the laws of physics. Or not having the fanservice-y characters wearing skimpy outfits that would never stay on or in place (at least not without an entire roll of fashion tape). Those outfits intensely annoy me and it isn't the display of skin... I used to be a nudist FFS. It's that the creators appear to have no knowledge of how female bodies actually work.Combine that with the "some incompetent fourth-rate plastic surgeon came to town and gave everyone discount boob jobs" aesthetic and yeah, it just gets tedious real fast.

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Nothing has yet to match let along top the endless panty shots of Agent Aika.

That show gave me an aversion to white panties. These days when I see a show that has both many panty shots and they all seem to be white, it raises my blood pressure (and not in a good way).

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