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Zeitgeist - The Movie
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Great movie, sorry if I'm a bit late on the release. I'm hoping many of you have seen it. It's definitely a must see to all Americans. It's a documentary film. Don't let this scare you off, it's by far one of the best movie's I have seen in a long time.Yes, it is two hours long. Split into 3 parts. If you haven't watched i recommend you watch it on your spare time, it's a fascinating film.

Part 1 - Religion
Part 2 - Conspiracy against 9/11
Part 3 - Federal Bank / War discussion

I recommend you skip the first ~6 minutes, it's just war footage that we have already seen on the internet, history channel, or news.

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This contains spoilers. I'd rather you watch the film first, but if you must know exactly what its about then read on.

Yes, I realize the religion topic has been spun around a lot throughout time, but this movie really made me open my eyes about it. This part links religion to astronomy, calling Jesus the sun and opens discussion about new ages. Some of my friends actually went atheist after watching this.

Part two explains the conspiracy behind 9/11. I'm pretty sure we've all heard of this. How 9/11 was never a terrorist attack and there was bombs implanted within the Twin Towers. Explains how it was impossible how a plane could crash into the Twin Tower and make them fall the way they did. It also explains the explosion of tower 7 and the Pentagon with undeniable facts.

Part three is probably the most interesting of them all. Explains Federal Bank conspiracy's and war excuses. When i say war excuses I mean how the Vietnam War was completely retarded, as all of us know. We went into Vietnam because they bombed two of our submarines, which was actually staged and false. And they have evidence of officials admitting this. Probably the most interesting scene of part 3 was the Rfid (if I spelled that correctly), which is a chip that is suppose to go into you directly. Hopefully you've all heard of chips that can be planted into your body to locate someone. There's also the new money system that North America is planning. All currency in America will be changed to a currency called Amero which can be used in USA, Canada, and Mexico.

My Opinion:

Regarding part one, the movie starts with astrological and Pagan facts that are parallel to the Christian faith. It links facts between Jesus and other faiths. Such as the link between Jesus and Horus, the sun god. Here's the story of Horus: Born on Dec. 25th. Born of a Virgin. Birth accompanied by a Star in the East. Three kings followed this star to locate Horus. Age 12 he was a teacher. At the age of 30 he was baptized. Horus had 12 disciples which he traveled with to perform miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. He was soon betrayed, crucified, and resurrected 3 day later. Sound familiar? It should, it's basically the same story as Jesus. And this is just Egypt's God, there was still Greece, India, and many more left. Coincidence much? Not. The whole birth sequence is astrological, using facts to back them up. I pretty much agree with the idea of Sirius (the brightest star in the night sky, aka The East Star), which aligns with the three brightest stars on Dec. 24th. The three brightest stars are called "The Three Kings". Take note that these stars were given there names in ancient times. And these stars, that align with each other all point to the sun rise, which is taken on Dec. 25th, thus "The birth of God's Sun". Most people call this crap which I can't blame them for, but the evidence is shocking. I'm sure you'd enjoy it.

Okay, now on to part two, the 9/11 conspiracy's. I know all of you have heard of this and probably called bullshit, but if you look at the facts and the history it starts to make sense. You can't just say that 9/11 was a terrorist attack, when you have thousands of people claiming they felt two impacts and other hundreds of thousands claiming that the Twin Towers can't just collapse that way. Was it coincidental that both towers collapsed in exactly the same way? Is it possible for tons of steel to collapse on the impact of one airplane? What happened to the Pentagon? The Pentagon is still a mystery the way I see it. The media tells us that an airplane crashes into the Pentagon, when in fact there is absolutely no evidence of a plane. Nothing was discovered in the cleaning up of the Pentagon. Not one piece of airplane, luggage or bodies. The media tells us that the intense heat vaporized everything, yet we have experts telling us that its scientifically impossible for that to happen. Security camera's that would show what really happened to the Pentagon were confiscated by the FBI and they still have not released the video's yet. So why would the government do this to themselves? In 1933, Hitler burned down his own German parliament building, and then blamed it on terrorists. Germany's parliament passed the Enabling Act soon after the so-called "terrorist attack". This act allowed Hitler to enact laws by himself. Now what? 9/11 was a so-called terrorist attack in which only 45 days later the Patriot Act was passed. A law enforcement to help prevent terrorism which also allows agencies to know everything single aspect of your life. Now we take all these facts together, including the hundreds of other one's i didn't include (they're explained in the movie), and we're still suppose to believe that 9/11 was just a terrorist attack. Um okay sure.

Finally, the third part. The Central Bank and the money masterminds behind the biggest international wars of the past. Let's do a quick summary. A Central Bank is a private bank that supports a nation with money. In our case, it makes money and gives it to our government. So how do workers at a Central Bank receive profit if they give out money to our government? Well, the Central Bank loans out money to government. Meaning for every dollar the Central Bank gives out to the USA, it puts us in more debt. Probably the most retarded system I have ever seen. So where does the money come from to pay off the debt? The Central Bank, of course. So where does this system bring us in? Even more debt. In 1913, the Federal Reserve Act was passed creating a second Central Bank under the influence of J.P. Morgan. The Fed then basically controlled the world from there on out. They increased the money supply by 100% and then called in all loans. Basically, they loaned a ton of money to banks, called in the loans, and when the banks couldn't pay them off, they were bought out by them. Take note this all happened during 1913-1929. And after the Fed did all this, buy out all the banks, and "take" (more like steal) a ton of money, they actually contracted the money instead of resupplying the USA with it. This led to the Great Depression in the 1930's. Do you hate the Fed's now? There's more. Along with the Federal Act came "Federal Tax". A complete bullshit, unconstitutional tax. 35% of the money you make yearly goes to federal tax. I just want to point out that there was never a law for federal tax. People are paying the tax for no reason. Research this. This is no law whatsoever saying you have to pay federal tax. And all the money that you pay to fulfill this tax goes to pay the interest of the money being produced by the Fed. Do you hate them now?


Yes, I know I'm crazy.

~Edited

End of Spoilers.

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Enjoy the movie. Hopefully this won't get locked for some horrible reason, its a legitimate discussion imo. I checked the index and didn't find a discussion about the movie so i made one. I wanted to get everyone's opinion on it, who have watched it. It really opened my eyes. Again, enjoy
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Posted 7/16/07
you put effort into making that,but still,we need a movie section so badly!
the general section is floated by single movie threads
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Posted 7/16/07
Thanks. I agree about the movie section it would be convenient and helpful. I edited a few stuff to make people understand a little better.
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^ interesting. About the movie section, it's even worse as it is now, since some movie threads are in the general section, while others are sorted in the games, music, drama section... :sweatingbullets:

I'll leave this here, as it is now, and let's hope a movie section will come soon...
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I tried watching this one time, but the ambient music, images and the whole tone was pretty hokey to me. Perhaps I'll try again.

I have a bit of passing familiarity with income ax law and conspiracy ides about it, etc.
The governments site that responds to many of these arguments:
http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html
More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_arguments
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I should have stated that the first 15 minutes of the movie is pure crap and not interesting at all. When I first started watching this movie I closed the browser after 5 mins because I thought it was gonna be the most boring crap I'v ever seen. But someone sent me the link again a few days later and told me to skip the first 6 minutes and start paying attention after the 15 min mark. I did this and the movie took me in completely.

Concerning the links, I read most of the stuff there. But they still haven't answered the question which would stop all debate. Where is the law that states Americans must pay income tax? They have not answered this question, when it has been repeatedly asked over the course of time.

In 1913 the 16th Amendment was passed by the Sectary of State under a lie. Here's proof:

"If you....examined [The 16th Amendment] carefully, you would find that a sufficient number of states never ratified that amendment."

-U.S District Court Judge
James C. Fox 2003

So the 16th Amendment is therefor void, yet people still pay income tax.

Above all this, income tax is not legal because it is a direct tax, which is unconstitutional.

This is all explained in the third part of the movie. If you want to learn more I suggest you watch America: Freedom to Fascism directed and written by Aaron Russo.
The movie is basically an extended version of part 3 of Zeitgeist. Its also 2 hours long. Heres the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173

Posted 7/18/07
Isnt that the name of the new Smashing Pumpkins album as well?

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Yea, it is. Sorry for the confusion, I'm a bit of a Smashing Pumpkins fan myself.
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Linkx wrote:

Yea, it is. Sorry for the confusion, I'm a bit of a Smashing Pumpkins fan myself. :)


As am i !...but since D'Arcy and Iha left...and Corgan has replaced them with another chick and a male asian who look EXACTLY like them...ive just sort of lost interest for this new album...50% of the band is not what i wanted!...although the songs ive heard arent terrible\
Ohhh ive rambled..apologies

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kyocool wrote:


Linkx wrote:

Yea, it is. Sorry for the confusion, I'm a bit of a Smashing Pumpkins fan myself. :)


As am i !...but since D'Arcy and Iha left...and Corgan has replaced them with another chick and a male asian who look EXACTLY like them...ive just sort of lost interest for this new album...50% of the band is not what i wanted!...although the songs ive heard arent terrible\
Ohhh ive rambled..apologies

Trevor (OP)


i can live without darcy... last i heard she was addicted to coke, and it's not like cute bassist chicks ever actually contribute anything other than eye candy on stage anyways. iha though.... yeah, his absence is going to be felt. i'll check it out, but i don't have high hopes.
Posted 7/18/07

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kyocool wrote:


Linkx wrote:

Yea, it is. Sorry for the confusion, I'm a bit of a Smashing Pumpkins fan myself. :)


As am i !...but since D'Arcy and Iha left...and Corgan has replaced them with another chick and a male asian who look EXACTLY like them...ive just sort of lost interest for this new album...50% of the band is not what i wanted!...although the songs ive heard arent terrible\
Ohhh ive rambled..apologies

Trevor (OP)


i can live without darcy... last i heard she was addicted to coke, and it's not like cute bassist chicks ever actually contribute anything other than eye candy on stage anyways. iha though.... yeah, his absence is going to be felt. i'll check it out, but i don't have high hopes.



The funny thing is...the new bassist...i think is made up to look dead on like D'arcy (perhaps to confuse fans and think shes really there lulz!)..her name is Ginger rays or something along those lines....But yea it sounds like the Pumpkins..but definetly NOT on par with lets say,,,Mellon collie and the infinite sadness..or even Adore..

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kyocool wrote:


azrael910 wrote:


kyocool wrote:


Linkx wrote:

Yea, it is. Sorry for the confusion, I'm a bit of a Smashing Pumpkins fan myself. :)


As am i !...but since D'Arcy and Iha left...and Corgan has replaced them with another chick and a male asian who look EXACTLY like them...ive just sort of lost interest for this new album...50% of the band is not what i wanted!...although the songs ive heard arent terrible\
Ohhh ive rambled..apologies

Trevor (OP)


i can live without darcy... last i heard she was addicted to coke, and it's not like cute bassist chicks ever actually contribute anything other than eye candy on stage anyways. iha though.... yeah, his absence is going to be felt. i'll check it out, but i don't have high hopes.



The funny thing is...the new bassist...i think is made up to look dead on like D'arcy (perhaps to confuse fans and think shes really there lulz!)..her name is Ginger rays or something along those lines....But yea it sounds like the Pumpkins..but definetly NOT on par with lets say,,,Mellon collie and the infinite sadness..or even Adore..

Trevor (OP)


oooh thats not good if it isn't on par with Adore, that album was really mediocre. my fav was always siamese dream, but pretty much anything pre Adore i like a lot. post Adore is so-so, at least once billy corgan realized he wasn't a fucking vampire. christ, i remember all the hype building up to the release of ava adore (Smashing Pumpkins were literal GODS back in 1995), then that fucked up ass music video came out, and aw hell, it was just down hill from there. the dying days of grunge were a sad time, especially when we saw all the utter shit it was being replaced with.
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oooh thats not good if it isn't on par with Adore, that album was really mediocre. my fav was always siamese dream, but pretty much anything pre Adore i like a lot. post Adore is so-so, at least once billy corgan realized he wasn't a fucking vampire. christ, i remember all the hype building up to the release of ava adore (Smashing Pumpkins were literal GODS back in 1995), then that fucked up ass music video came out, and aw hell, it was just down hill from there. the dying days of grunge were a sad time, especially when we saw all the utter shit it was being replaced with.



The 2 disc Infiniate sadness was always my personal favorite ( i really liked the happy sad cd thing) but you are right Adore and MAchina machine of the god was pretty ehh...haha i always thought ava adore was the most odd video from them....they did the little gothic stopmotion movie thing and it well..failed....bullet with butterly wings...good video though..

Edit: I was only 7 when 1995 was around but i know when i found out about them in like 99 or early 2000 they still were very well known to most poeple

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kyocool wrote:


azrael910 wrote:

oooh thats not good if it isn't on par with Adore, that album was really mediocre. my fav was always siamese dream, but pretty much anything pre Adore i like a lot. post Adore is so-so, at least once billy corgan realized he wasn't a fucking vampire. christ, i remember all the hype building up to the release of ava adore (Smashing Pumpkins were literal GODS back in 1995), then that fucked up ass music video came out, and aw hell, it was just down hill from there. the dying days of grunge were a sad time, especially when we saw all the utter shit it was being replaced with.



The 2 disc Infiniate sadness was always my personal favorite ( i really liked the happy sad cd thing) but you are right Adore and MAchina machine of the god was pretty ehh...haha i always thought ava adore was the most odd video from them....they did the little gothci stopmotion movie thing and it well..failed....bullet with butterly wings...good video though..

Trevor (OP)


yeah 10 years after the fact it probably just seems unusual, but when the video came out Marilyn Manson was everywhere and the goth-industrial thing was very in. so corgan jumped on board that ship much to everyone's horror, i think the only reason the album didn't completely tank was for the single "perfect" which actually sounded like a SP song (and probably why they released it asap after pissing off all their fans with the first single). that's what made the whole thing so depressing, they were just copying a fad. good music was hard to come by in the late 90s, every band counted.
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wtf with the last 6 posts or so?

linkx did you even read some of the stuff i provided.

on ratification of 16th amendment:
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/16th.htm

on income tax not being a law:
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/code.htm

Hell, I dont know enough about it, just trying to provide the opposite viewpoint. I find it highly unlikely this conspiracy stuff is the case or why is it not all over the place?
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