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Postal Shootings, Mall Shootings, School shootings, in other words, Mass murder
In the past few years, these happenings have been occuring often enough to almost seem constant now

What do you think makes a person suddenly willing to slaughter people in large numbers?
What do you think goes through their heads up to and during the act?
What kind of person do you think would do such a thing?


As I have read other posts regarding school shootings on this forum, I have seen a staggering amount of speculation and unfair generalizations, as well as other things I didn't like and just didn't seem fair to me

As a person who has actually contemplated and plotted mass murder growing up, I feel that I'm the best qualified to answer the above questions and give some insight on the subject. These are the progressions to mass murder, from my personal experience


1. Alienation and/or Rejection from society
Growing up with the certain skin condition I was born with, made me a social pariah as a child, other children as well as a number of adults, tormented, ridiculed and shunned me to a point where I came to a realization early in my life, that everyone hated me and that I wasn't supposed to have friends, eventually I came to see humans as simply my enemies, they sure as hell weren't my allies, not in my eyes.


2.The "state of War" situation
After the events of stage one, one begins to believe that they are actually in some sort of "cold war" with society. Every day if I so much as walked 10 feet from my house, I was devising plans to counter any enemy "assaults"(I'll let you guess on that one) that might come out of nowhere, as they often did when I was a kid, I felt like everyone was against me, every time I went in public with my family, strange people would stare at me, following me with their eyes, as if they were plotting something, as a result I became increasingly paranoid.


3. Anger and Hatred
Soon enough, you become angry with people, in the beginning it's simply fear and paranoia, as well as a deep sadness. But at a certain point, you get fed up with it all, you become disillusioned with people in general. You think about how much damage, both mentally and physically, people have caused you. And soon enough, you begin to hate them.


4. "What did I do?"
After a while one begins to ask them self, "what did I do", what did I do to deserve this hatred people have for me, what did I do to deserve the torment, the ridicule, the names, the broken glasses, the raical slurs, the beatings etc. With me I began to realize, that I had done nothing at all, I was innocent, I never made fun of anyone, I never made fun of another's misfortune, I never broke anyone's glasses or called anyone a "White boy". I just offered my friendship, only to have them spit in my face and worse.


5. Suicidal Thoughts
At one point when I was 7 or 8, I thought it best for me to just die. That way I wouldn't have to deal with it all, and my exiestence wouldn't piss anybody else off. And everyone would be happy and just better off as a whole, at the time, I thought it was what they wanted. They surely didn't want me alive, judging by the way they had treated me. Then I realized that I wasn't the one who deserved to die.....


6. The "solution"
After one has the 2 aforementioned thoughts, and realize their innocence, they come to the realization that they are not the ones to blame. They realize that "those people", are the root of it all, and they begin to believe, that those people, are nothing but evil, evil beyond any redemption. And therefore, must be punished and "removed" from this Earth, never to harm you or anyone else, ever again. Because I didn't think anyone else desevred to go through what I did


Miraculously, I was one of the majority that never acted on those thoughts. Believe it or not, there are more people mentally capable of that thought process then you might think

So beware of how you treat others, especially in America, because in my personal opinion
If you commit a violent act on another person or just bully and torment them and make his or her life a living hell, then you deserve to have your head blown off
Posted 2/18/08

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So beware of how you treat others, especially in America, because in my personal opinion
If you commit a violent act on another person or just bully and torment them and make his or her life a living hell, then you deserve to have your head blown off


Well, I personally think that is a pretty extreme. Then again I have never been through the kind of bulling or alienation you have been, so I can't really comment on that. The kind of thing you went through as a child is just plain wrong, no children should grow up like that, but the world can be a fucked up place.

Well, considering the fact that you contemplated but never went ahead of taking action against those that did you harm, takes ALOT of strength, more than I can say than those kids from Columbine and other massacres related to bullying.

Hey, whatever skin condition that you may have, hopefully is treatable.

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There are likely as many reasons as there are mass murderers. Unfortunately, their actions make things worse for people like them and end up hurting people who may be innocent.

If you can't take existence, kill yourself. The world isn't going to change for you, so abandon it.
Posted 2/18/08
i agree, people in America like to act out a little more than needed against others, i am Chinese and go to a school that is white dominant, so when i walk past a group of white people i find it offensive when they have the need to say something out of line to me, it could be a joke but i find that hard to believe.
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I get thoughts like that a lot, but it feels more like a black out but your still in control if you know what I mean. The closet i've ever gotten to acting on one of these thoughts is when I had a knife up to some kid's neck . Anyway I think the reason why people commit mass murder or even just murdering one person, is that they become sick of it all. Everything that people do. They start to realize everything to goes on around them and they lose themselfs and they come to the best solution which is to kill the people causing the problems. Therefore based on what they think it's justified because they believe it to be right. However "doctors" and "experts" or whatever you feel like calling them call these people insane but I believe these people are more sane then the rest. So if any of you have thoughts of mass murder it's probably just because your not blind folded.
Also to answer the your last question "What kind of person do you think would do such a thing?" I am and I would do it just to watch the blood pour.
Posted 2/18/08
My wife grew up in China and she can't believe how bad kids here in the US treat each other. I know it's not just the US, but here it seems like kids are extremely mean to each other, making fun of others all the time, etc. She told me that when she was in school, nobody had any time for that. They were too worried about their grades and stuff to pick on each other.
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America? pfft... go to japan and see what's happening


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Bah, people got tired of my annoying attitude near 7th grade, they thought I was adorable in 6th grade :(.. damn it... as time progressed more and more people hated me. I cared for their feelings less and less, so I didn't care about people picking on me... cause I knew why they hated me. Did I care to change so they would like me? No, I changed so they would hate me. Normally, I wouldn't be as much of an annoying brat, but if I hate a certain person... I will purposely be very annoying. It's my own way of being a bitch, I have other ways... but I seem more innocent being annoying :). Really, I feel bad for those shooting people, not caring as much for those shot. I mean seriously, all this shit happens about people being picked on, and they eventually commit mass murder. Have people not realized that shit yet?

I mean... I try to help those being picked on... because I feel sad for them. And plus the people making fun of the guy/girl, can't make good jokes/insults to save his/her life... after hearing the same joke over and over.. it's definitely not funny. I've noticed over the years, peer pressure, plays a huge role in the amount of people making fun of someone. Many believe they do not fall under peer pressure, yet they do it all the time. They may not think "Hey lets make fun of him/her because everyone else is doing it".. but in a different way they'll think the same thing. I even fall under peer pressure sometimes... the bad one.. I mean I have a limit.. but sometimes I go a bit past the limit. Sometimes I make fun of someone undeserving of the hate, I regret it later.. but I still don't like myself doing it.

Bah, I doubt I'll commit mass murder due to the amount of people that hate me and want to pick on me. Because I seriously care if they hate me, the more the merrier! But I have doubts in myself.. I really do. Hopefully I won't do that, and I'll live a happy happy life... away from the scum of society... raise me some children.. who I guarantee will turn out properly :).

I feel sad those getting shot in mass murders (the innocent ones), and I feel sad for the shooter (the majority of the time.) I'd feel scared if I was involved in one, and I'd kill the shooter in a heart beat. But I'd still feel sad for the guy... if it was because he was picked on. I mean yeah, I'd think "that guy could've killed me".. but I'd also think if I saw the guy being made fun of, if I contributed to making fun of him. Years of being picked on for some people is a hell of a bitch, and... I actually understand why they "broke" and killed/attempted to kill so many people.
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abel89 wrote:
1. Alienation and/or Rejection from society
Growing up with the certain skin condition I was born with, made me a social pariah as a child, other children as well as a number of adults, tormented, ridiculed and shunned me to a point where I came to a realization early in my life, that everyone hated me and that I wasn't supposed to have friends, eventually I came to see humans as simply my enemies, they sure as hell weren't my allies, not in my eyes.


2.The "state of War" situation
After the events of stage one, one begins to believe that they are actually in some sort of cold war with society. Every day if I so much as walked 10 feet from my house, I was devising plans to counter any enemy "assaults"(I'll let you guess on that one) that might come out of nowhere, as they often did when I was a kid, I felt like everyone was against me, every time I went in public with my family, strange people would stare at me, following me with their eyes, as if they were plotting something, as a result I became increasingly paranoid.


3. Anger and Hatred
Soon enough, you become angry with people, in the beginning it's simply fear and paranoia, as well as a deep sadness. But at a certain point, you get fed up with it all, you become disillusioned with people in general. You think about how much damage, both mentally and physically, people have caused you. And soon enough, you begin to hate them.


4. "What did I do?"
After a while one begins to ask them self, "what did I do", what did I do to deserve this hatred people have for me, what did I do to deserve the torment, the ridicule, the names, the broken glasses, the raical slurs, the beatings etc. With me I began to realize, that I had done nothing at all, I was innocent, I never made fun of anyone, I never made fun of another's misfortune, I never broke anyone's glasses or called anyone a "White boy". I just offered my friendship, only to have them spit in my face.


5. Suicidal Thoughts
At one point when I was 7 or 8, I thought it best for me to just die. That way I wouldn't have to deal with it all, and my exiestence wouldn't piss anybody else off. And everyone would be happy and just better off as a whole, at the time, I thought it was what they wanted. They surely didn't want me alive, judging by the way they had treated me. Then I realized that I wasn't the one who deserved to die.....


6. The "solution"
After one has the 2 aforementioned thoughts, and realize their innocence, they come to the realization that they are not the ones to blame. They realize that "those people", are the root of it all, and they begin to believe, that those people, are nothing but evil, evil beyond any redemption. And therefore, must be punished and "removed" from this Earth, never to harm you or anyone else, ever again. Because I didn't think anyone else desevred to go through what I did


i felt the same thing you did... sigh... im getting worried since i dont know wat i am capable of doing... i feel like i dont know myself anymore at times...i think it's because some people feel so empty inside(in my case the world is getting dull) that they would resort to mass killings to have a purpose.... like me....

number 2 and 3 really hits me though... oh well... may i ask how you dealt with it?
Posted 2/18/08

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America? pfft... go to japan and see what's happening


In Japan, the police don't even have guns so I find it highly unlikely that a kid in Japan would have any means of commiting mass murder. Read the first post if you please.
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abel89 wrote:


Shadow-of-Intent wrote:


abel89 wrote:
1. Alienation and/or Rejection from society
Growing up with the certain skin condition I was born with, made me a social pariah as a child, other children as well as a number of adults, tormented, ridiculed and shunned me to a point where I came to a realization early in my life, that everyone hated me and that I wasn't supposed to have friends, eventually I came to see humans as simply my enemies, they sure as hell weren't my allies, not in my eyes.


2.The "state of War" situation
After the events of stage one, one begins to believe that they are actually in some sort of cold war with society. Every day if I so much as walked 10 feet from my house, I was devising plans to counter any enemy "assaults"(I'll let you guess on that one) that might come out of nowhere, as they often did when I was a kid, I felt like everyone was against me, every time I went in public with my family, strange people would stare at me, following me with their eyes, as if they were plotting something, as a result I became increasingly paranoid.


3. Anger and Hatred
Soon enough, you become angry with people, in the beginning it's simply fear and paranoia, as well as a deep sadness. But at a certain point, you get fed up with it all, you become disillusioned with people in general. You think about how much damage, both mentally and physically, people have caused you. And soon enough, you begin to hate them.


4. "What did I do?"
After a while one begins to ask them self, "what did I do", what did I do to deserve this hatred people have for me, what did I do to deserve the torment, the ridicule, the names, the broken glasses, the raical slurs, the beatings etc. With me I began to realize, that I had done nothing at all, I was innocent, I never made fun of anyone, I never made fun of another's misfortune, I never broke anyone's glasses or called anyone a "White boy". I just offered my friendship, only to have them spit in my face.


5. Suicidal Thoughts
At one point when I was 7 or 8, I thought it best for me to just die. That way I wouldn't have to deal with it all, and my exiestence wouldn't piss anybody else off. And everyone would be happy and just better off as a whole, at the time, I thought it was what they wanted. They surely didn't want me alive, judging by the way they had treated me. Then I realized that I wasn't the one who deserved to die.....


6. The "solution"
After one has the 2 aforementioned thoughts, and realize their innocence, they come to the realization that they are not the ones to blame. They realize that "those people", are the root of it all, and they begin to believe, that those people, are nothing but evil, evil beyond any redemption. And therefore, must be punished and "removed" from this Earth, never to harm you or anyone else, ever again. Because I didn't think anyone else desevred to go through what I did


i felt the same thing you did... sigh... im getting worried since i dont know wat i am capable of doing... i feel like i dont know myself anymore at times...i think it's because some people feel so empty inside(in my case the world is getting dull) that they would resort to mass killings to have a purpose.... like me....

number 2 and 3 really hits me though... oh well... may i ask how you dealt with it?


I don't know, at one point I just went numb
and stopped caring, also I became big enough after puberty
to scare people away from picking on me


oh yea? i felt numb too, to the point that i cant even trust anyone, i mean everyone.. oh well, this world is fucked up dont you agree?
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peer pressure is a mutherfuker
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Shadow-of-Intent wrote:


abel89 wrote:


Shadow-of-Intent wrote:


abel89 wrote:
1. Alienation and/or Rejection from society
Growing up with the certain skin condition I was born with, made me a social pariah as a child, other children as well as a number of adults, tormented, ridiculed and shunned me to a point where I came to a realization early in my life, that everyone hated me and that I wasn't supposed to have friends, eventually I came to see humans as simply my enemies, they sure as hell weren't my allies, not in my eyes.


2.The "state of War" situation
After the events of stage one, one begins to believe that they are actually in some sort of cold war with society. Every day if I so much as walked 10 feet from my house, I was devising plans to counter any enemy "assaults"(I'll let you guess on that one) that might come out of nowhere, as they often did when I was a kid, I felt like everyone was against me, every time I went in public with my family, strange people would stare at me, following me with their eyes, as if they were plotting something, as a result I became increasingly paranoid.


3. Anger and Hatred
Soon enough, you become angry with people, in the beginning it's simply fear and paranoia, as well as a deep sadness. But at a certain point, you get fed up with it all, you become disillusioned with people in general. You think about how much damage, both mentally and physically, people have caused you. And soon enough, you begin to hate them.


4. "What did I do?"
After a while one begins to ask them self, "what did I do", what did I do to deserve this hatred people have for me, what did I do to deserve the torment, the ridicule, the names, the broken glasses, the raical slurs, the beatings etc. With me I began to realize, that I had done nothing at all, I was innocent, I never made fun of anyone, I never made fun of another's misfortune, I never broke anyone's glasses or called anyone a "White boy". I just offered my friendship, only to have them spit in my face.


5. Suicidal Thoughts
At one point when I was 7 or 8, I thought it best for me to just die. That way I wouldn't have to deal with it all, and my exiestence wouldn't piss anybody else off. And everyone would be happy and just better off as a whole, at the time, I thought it was what they wanted. They surely didn't want me alive, judging by the way they had treated me. Then I realized that I wasn't the one who deserved to die.....


6. The "solution"
After one has the 2 aforementioned thoughts, and realize their innocence, they come to the realization that they are not the ones to blame. They realize that "those people", are the root of it all, and they begin to believe, that those people, are nothing but evil, evil beyond any redemption. And therefore, must be punished and "removed" from this Earth, never to harm you or anyone else, ever again. Because I didn't think anyone else desevred to go through what I did


i felt the same thing you did... sigh... im getting worried since i dont know wat i am capable of doing... i feel like i dont know myself anymore at times...i think it's because some people feel so empty inside(in my case the world is getting dull) that they would resort to mass killings to have a purpose.... like me....

number 2 and 3 really hits me though... oh well... may i ask how you dealt with it?


I don't know, at one point I just went numb
and stopped caring, also I became big enough after puberty
to scare people away from picking on me


oh yea? i felt numb too, to the point that i cant even trust anyone, i mean everyone.. oh well, this world is fucked up dont you agree?


yep, pretty much
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CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:

America? pfft... go to japan and see what's happening


That little comment didn't add anything to the conversation
Al all


Your comment didn't add anything to the conversation either


I started the topic

I knew a kid like you,
he was one of the first on my "List"
Posted 2/18/08

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abel89 wrote:

So beware of how you treat others, especially in America, because in my personal opinion
If you commit a violent act on another person or just bully and torment them and make his or her life a living hell, then you deserve to have your head blown off


Well, I personally think that is a pretty extreme. Then again I have never been through the kind of bulling or alienation you have been, so I can't really comment on that. The kind of thing you went through as a child is just plain wrong, no children should grow up like that, but the world can be a fucked up place.

Well, considering the fact that you contemplated but never went ahead of taking action against those that did you harm, takes ALOT of strength, more than I can say than those kids from Columbine and other massacres related to bullying.

Hey, whatever skin condition that you may have, hopefully is treatable.



Hey, even though it's extreme, he's right. If you piss someone off that much you deserve to get what is coming to you... Even though the shooter usually attacks indiscriminately. The world has truely lost it's mind, and we can only blame society and ourselves.
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