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Progression to Mass Murder
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24 / M / Somewhere on Earth
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Posted 2/18/08
Mass murder happen because of guns. Maybe its the way kids are taught from young that cause this.
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26 / M / Sweden
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Posted 2/18/08
I'm gonna go with those folks from bowling for columbine.
"An Ak-47 is not for hunting." (not exactly what they said)
When it comes to the U.S stop handing out guns the way you do.
But as this is occurring all around globe...
The motive ranges from person to person.
When it comes to mass murder sexual pleasure is rarely involved, the more common motives would be revenge
religion related (like terrorist's i guess) money and of course fame.

*um guys... stop quoting each other...
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CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:

America? pfft... go to japan and see what's happening


That little comment didn't add anything to the conversation
Al all


Your comment didn't add anything to the conversation either


I started the topic

I knew a kid like you,
he was one of the first on my "List"



Stop changing the topic, loser

You have an IQ of a fish? Cant you remember the topic? Try harder


you haven't said a fucking word pertaining to the topic AT ALL
so, you can just shut the FUCK UP and leave
and not say another FUCKING word in MY direction


Lmao... it's funny watching nerds spas out over the net...

First, by responding, you are helping me ruin this thread

Second, my point is that when you responded to my response, you didnt "add anything to the conversation at all"


P.S. Calm down


if you think you have ruined this thread, your wrong
of course I didn't add anything
There was nothing to add to your half assed peice of shit post

and I ain't a nerd, boy



some people lack logic.... and i guess you are one of them..

First, when i said "add" i meant contribute to the topic -_- look at the arguement we were having in the beginning! that's when you use your brain

Second, You could have quoted me and said "your comment didnt help at all" and talked about the topic rather than just stop there.


P.S. spasing out and swearing just shows me that you are a nerd


OF course I don't have logic, I almost killed my entire class
do you REALLY think I learned much of anything about "Logic"
I'm not even mentally stable most of the day
you decided to start shit with a crazy person so that puts your logic into question as well

and I cuss because I want to and it's my fucking mouth and I say what I please with it THANK YOU
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27 / M / North Carolina
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Posted 2/18/08

CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:


abel89 wrote:


CounterClockwise wrote:

America? pfft... go to japan and see what's happening


That little comment didn't add anything to the conversation
Al all


Your comment didn't add anything to the conversation either


I started the topic

I knew a kid like you,
he was one of the first on my "List"



Stop changing the topic, loser

You have an IQ of a fish? Cant you remember the topic? Try harder


you haven't said a fucking word pertaining to the topic AT ALL
so, you can just shut the FUCK UP and leave
and not say another FUCKING word in MY direction


Lmao... it's funny watching nerds spas out over the net...

First, by responding, you are helping me ruin this thread

Second, my point is that when you responded to my response, you didnt "add anything to the conversation at all"


P.S. Calm down


if you think you have ruined this thread, your wrong
of course I didn't add anything
There was nothing to add to your half assed peice of shit post

and I ain't a nerd, boy



some people lack logic.... and i guess you are one of them..

First, when i said "add" i meant contribute to the topic -_- look at the arguement we were having in the beginning! that's when you use your brain

Second, You could have quoted me and said "your comment didnt help at all" and talked about the topic rather than just stop there.


P.S. spasing out and swearing just shows me that you are a nerd


OF course I don't have logic, I almost killed my entire class
do you REALLY think I learned much of anything about "Logic"
I'm not even mentally stable most of the day
you decided to start shit with a crazy person so that puts your logic into question as well

and I cuss because I want to and it's my fucking mouth and I say what I please with it THANK YOU


I never said you CANT swear and spas out... i just thought that it would make you look stupid..
And you dont "learn" logic, but you are born with it

P.S. You are going off topic.. i guess it's cuz you were left speechless



either continue this in PM or leave

and What topic?, I kept the original purpose of this thread intact
when you came in with something totally unrelated to it
I have actually referenced the topic in this argument more than once

When I said you reminded me of one of the kids I wanted to kill, being a prime example
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27 / M / North Carolina
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Posted 2/18/08
^Do you REALLY think after what I've been through, that any insult you can put together
can hold much water?, I've been through almost every indignity there is
All you can do is SLIGHTLY piss me off

And you started this argument
all you had to do was not say shit to me
Posted 2/18/08
Yeah, it's so scary now and days. & You're right especially here in the States, if you piss off the wrong person.
BOOOOOOOOOM.
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26 / M / Malaysia
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Posted 2/19/08
Take away the guns and kids can only do so much.
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Posted 2/19/08

WhyDontYou wrote:

Take away the guns and kids can only do so much.


Not true, I could have easily have bought a machete and home made explosives to school
Also my cousin was a drug dealer, with a good amount of illegal machine pistols

And I was very resourceful as a child, I could have EASILY planned around that
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26 / M / Malaysia
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Posted 2/19/08

abel89 wrote:


WhyDontYou wrote:

Take away the guns and kids can only do so much.


Not true, I could have easily have bought a machete and home made explosives to school
Also my cousin was a drug dealer, with a good amount of illegal machine pistols

And I was very resourceful as a child, I could have EASILY planned around that


You can run from machetes.

Not any kids can make IEDs.

Why would machine pistols be illegal if the US allows guns?
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Posted 2/19/08
totally violent
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27 / M / North Carolina
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Posted 2/19/08

WhyDontYou wrote:


abel89 wrote:


WhyDontYou wrote:

Take away the guns and kids can only do so much.


Not true, I could have easily have bought a machete and home made explosives to school
Also my cousin was a drug dealer, with a good amount of illegal machine pistols

And I was very resourceful as a child, I could have EASILY planned around that


You can run from machetes.

Not any kids can make IEDs.

Why would machine pistols be illegal if the US allows guns?


the US only allows certain guns for ownership
and machine pistols and submanchine guns are illegal to own
as well as other automatic weapons
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26 / M / Malaysia
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Posted 2/19/08
Well, you can't stop terrorists from their actions. There are many things that you can say that enables you to mass murder. In fact it's never ending, so I won't go any further.
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28 / M / California
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Posted 2/19/08

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However "doctors" and "experts" or whatever you feel like calling them call these people insane but I believe these people are more sane then the rest. So if any of you have thoughts of mass murder it's probably just because your not blind folded.
Also to answer the your last question "What kind of person do you think would do such a thing?" I am and I would do it just to watch the blood pour.


Right. 'cause violence as a solution is enlightened.

Mass murder is by definition insane, because it's not only supremely illogical and foolish, it's a shitty thing to do by anyone's standards. Personally, I think it's insane because it bespeaks a lack of respect for human life that endangers the species -- so for our survival we'd be better off ridding ourselves of such sources of indiscriminate violence, through reformation or extermination (the former being the superior option).

Every normal person has contemplated or will contemplate suicide and murder. It's a natural consideration as we learn methods of dealing with the world around us. But if you then settle on either of these options as the most logical choice, you're frankly retarded.

Final note, I'm of the opinion that time heals all wounds. I'd almost regard it as fact.
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76 / M / Florida, US
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Posted 2/19/08
Murder being wrong is an opinion not a fact. I think murder in almost every situation is wrong. But I won't claim that I am absolutely right and that murdering being wrong a logical truth. However, human society, in the large scale, has an abstract (and legal) social contract to keep from killing each other. If someone kills other people (they didn't break the laws of nature); yet, they did break a social/legal agreement between humans thus would suffer the consequences that society will impose. Now, I think that killing for the irrational reasons, out of weakness, or from a mental immaturity/instability is wrong. Even if you decide to break this major human contract, it's a grave enough action to where you must have mental stability/rationality.
For the students who committed the murders in schools; this is irrational behavior since they're unbiased judgment is not credible. They are all social outcasts with personal problems. They have had rejection or have been social problems that gave rise to this training of thought in order for their minds to cope with the stress and damage to personal pride. If I saw this happen and had a gun, I'd shoot them right away but not even kill them. They want to die for: 1) they want to go out with death rather than being caught 2) Want to escape through death after they are done or 3) Break down and kill themselves. I'd rather they be alive and see the expressions of their family members; and have time to sit in a cell and realize how immature, stupid, and insignificant their actions were. These homicide/suicides are basically share similar mental conditions as people who commit suicide and want their deaths (or suffering to be known). They don't want to shoot people and die then have no one care or even notice. They wanted to get revenge, make a statement, or show their significance to the world. That's why you don't even give them the satisfaction since it really is nothing major to shoot a bunch of kids. We can all get a gun and do the same thing except the major difference is that most of us were more mature and had control over our emotions about life. Life in prison (possibly a death sentence which usually is executed a while later) would, thus, be the harshest punishment for them since they are thinking and regretting.
I honestly also think that the internet, music, and movies have given rise to these deviant behaviors. (Guns as well, of course) Kids won't look at a show and just decide to do something bad. I'm saying that the culmination of being attracted to certain shows and songs while having social problems can manifest into these romantic (dramatic) ideas of revenge, justice, teaching everyone a lesson, or the "screw it all, I'm taking down people with me as I die" mentalities.
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Posted 2/19/08

abel89 wrote:


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1. Alienation and/or Rejection from society
Growing up with the certain skin condition I was born with, made me a social pariah as a child, other children as well as a number of adults, tormented, ridiculed and shunned me to a point where I came to a realization early in my life, that everyone hated me and that I wasn't supposed to have friends, eventually I came to see humans as simply my enemies, they sure as hell weren't my allies, not in my eyes.


2.The "state of War" situation
After the events of stage one, one begins to believe that they are actually in some sort of cold war with society. Every day if I so much as walked 10 feet from my house, I was devising plans to counter any enemy "assaults"(I'll let you guess on that one) that might come out of nowhere, as they often did when I was a kid, I felt like everyone was against me, every time I went in public with my family, strange people would stare at me, following me with their eyes, as if they were plotting something, as a result I became increasingly paranoid.


3. Anger and Hatred
Soon enough, you become angry with people, in the beginning it's simply fear and paranoia, as well as a deep sadness. But at a certain point, you get fed up with it all, you become disillusioned with people in general. You think about how much damage, both mentally and physically, people have caused you. And soon enough, you begin to hate them.


4. "What did I do?"
After a while one begins to ask them self, "what did I do", what did I do to deserve this hatred people have for me, what did I do to deserve the torment, the ridicule, the names, the broken glasses, the raical slurs, the beatings etc. With me I began to realize, that I had done nothing at all, I was innocent, I never made fun of anyone, I never made fun of another's misfortune, I never broke anyone's glasses or called anyone a "White boy". I just offered my friendship, only to have them spit in my face.


5. Suicidal Thoughts
At one point when I was 7 or 8, I thought it best for me to just die. That way I wouldn't have to deal with it all, and my exiestence wouldn't piss anybody else off. And everyone would be happy and just better off as a whole, at the time, I thought it was what they wanted. They surely didn't want me alive, judging by the way they had treated me. Then I realized that I wasn't the one who deserved to die.....


6. The "solution"
After one has the 2 aforementioned thoughts, and realize their innocence, they come to the realization that they are not the ones to blame. They realize that "those people", are the root of it all, and they begin to believe, that those people, are nothing but evil, evil beyond any redemption. And therefore, must be punished and "removed" from this Earth, never to harm you or anyone else, ever again. Because I didn't think anyone else desevred to go through what I did


i felt the same thing you did... sigh... im getting worried since i dont know wat i am capable of doing... i feel like i dont know myself anymore at times...i think it's because some people feel so empty inside(in my case the world is getting dull) that they would resort to mass killings to have a purpose.... like me....

number 2 and 3 really hits me though... oh well... may i ask how you dealt with it?


I don't know, at one point I just went numb
and stopped caring, also I became big enough after puberty
to scare people away from picking on me


oh yea? i felt numb too, to the point that i cant even trust anyone, i mean everyone.. oh well, this world is fucked up dont you agree?


yep, pretty much


yea... i wonder if only things were different, maybe those high school shootings wudnt have happened...

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