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Too Smart to be Happy?
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Posted 7/18/07
I think a real intelligent person can be happy in a way that he/she enjoys wat he/she is doing...it is better to be ignorant sometimes just to give urself a rest from thinking things that can lose your mind. Speaking of the allegory of cave i'm kinda' against it cos i dnt bliv in idealism.
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midnitekiller wrote:

well,it depends on how one defines happiness..what is happy for one might not be for another..so it doesn't really matter if one is either intelligent or simply ignorant/stupid..


Glad you ask, a very simple way to put it, like in the book...
Being happy means :
- To sleep easily
- to eat whatever you feel like eating
- To buy clothes without having to care about who made it
- To work and gain money just for the sake of gaining money (stock broker as an exemple), without having to care about the life you ruined.
- To watch TV getting kidda numb and feel ok about the fact you lost precious time learning absolutely nothing
- To read the news every morning and don't feel the need to read another newspaper or 2 or 3, just to see if the first version is to be thrusted
- To watch the news without being or feeling concerned.....
The list could go on, but I thing you get the point...

That may not be a correct definition for the word HAPPY, but at the same time, when you do all those things, you simply don't have the time or the energy left to be happy.
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But you see, I consider most of these to be attributes of numbness, rather than happiness. Happiness is a too subjective thing ( I don't even know if to call it an emotion or state of mind or something else ) for me to try to define it, but that list is the author's and might apply to a vast majority of happy people, but it's obviously written with the presumption that dumbness/ ignorance is happiness and never proves it's these everyday trivialities that make them happy.

For example sleeping well & having a healthy appetite are considered to be attributes of physically and mentally healthy people. Those healthy people might be happy, but it's not a given.

Anyway, ignorance and selfishness seem to be common amongst happy people, but who said only dumb people are blessed with them?

Plus, a certain level of intelligence enables to put the unfairness in the world that may trouble someone with a low IQ, because it's hard for them to grasp, into a context where it's all set as it has to be. Hence, this person won't spend their nights worrying about Columbian street children.
Posted 7/18/07
id say yes kinda being too smart so much that people call u geek and u have no friends and u get bashed up or left out n stuff it hurts and obviously u wont be happy!!!
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^Yes that's it... even if I didn't mentioned it, being alone is a part of the deal... simply because, they cannot be understood, therefore, they don't have friends....

As for the selfish part, I don't see it as compatible with intelligence....
Well I know intelligence is not yet perfectly defines, but I assure you it as very little to do with IQ.... for your information IQ is a way to evaluate mental devellopment therefore is not very effective when the principle is put in to adulthood, over 16, the test is not very effective and only reffers to the logical part of reasoning.

I mean Dali was a genius and yet not very logical!
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I agree with ahojcookie, your list and what that guy did have nothing to do with happyness. Forcing yourself to become numb about something doesn't mean you're happy about it...
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xidiya wrote:

eros is totally correct. what's important isn't always your own personal happiness. it's about making a difference, creating change for the better, etc...

on that note. intelligent people can be very happy. i know plenty of very intelligent people who live only for themselves and are very happy. this is what you call "selfishness".


It's not just called selfishness, it's called success.
Hmm... sounds a little objectivist, if you ask me... Mauz!!! Pay attention here, The intelligent people who are happy can be happy because they have done their best in every circumstance, they leave nothing left unturned. They follow through and accomplish their goals. They set realistic goals and set out to achieve them. And what makes them happy is the strive for the success. ... Not the list below.



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midnitekiller wrote:

well,it depends on how one defines happiness..what is happy for one might not be for another..so it doesn't really matter if one is either intelligent or simply ignorant/stupid..


Glad you ask, a very simple way to put it, like in the book...
Being happy means :
- To sleep easily
- to eat whatever you feel like eating
- To buy clothes without having to care about who made it
- To work and gain money just for the sake of gaining money (stock broker as an exemple), without having to care about the life you ruined.
- To watch TV getting kidda numb and feel ok about the fact you lost precious time learning absolutely nothing
- To read the news every morning and don't feel the need to read another newspaper or 2 or 3, just to see if the first version is to be thrusted
- To watch the news without being or feeling concerned.....
The list could go on, but I thing you get the point...

That may not be a correct definition for the word HAPPY, but at the same time, when you do all those things, you simply don't have the time or the energy left to be happy.


Happiness is relevent to each person.
For example, I'm happier when i give up sleep to talk to someone i want to.
I don't want to eat everything i feel like eating, because that would make me fat, and i'd rather give up food for a better figure.

Ok, you're right on the buying clothes part.

To work and to gain money is one of the basis points of an objectivist. It's the striving for the goal, it's the obtaining more. It's not just the reward for the sacrifice or the paycheck at the end of the week, it's the ability to look at something you have done, and be happy, because YOU did it. It was no one else's accomplishment, it was yours and yours alone. No one can lay claim to it, because it's YOURS..

I could go on, but i think you guys get the idea.

Happiness is relevent to the person.
The things on your list don't apply to me.

I am an intelligent person (IMO) and i feel that i'm happy, yes there is problems, and pain is everywhere, but if you read the story from my first post, you'll understand WHY this HAS to be... How can we know happiness without sadness? How can we tell anything without it's opposite, Peace, war, hearkache, happiness, contentment, discontentment, anger, fear, etc etc. All these have to be to be able to understand and have our brains comprehend the opposite.
Without stupid people, there would be no intelligent people, because it's relevent to each other.
We need to dumbasses who work at Burger king and can't get a better job (talking about 40 yr olds not teens)
We need the retarded and ignorant people of the world for a basis of comparison to the intelligent people. That's why we have the IQ tests, to have a regular basis of comparison...
I'd rather be intelligent then happy.
Happiness is overrated, but i do believe that it can go hand in hand.
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intelligence is relative. The only time intelligence makes you unhappy is when you are forced to learn, otherwise the thirst to feed your intelligence can be quite satisfying.
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If I am as intelligent as some people claim I am, then no. My intelligence makes me all the more happy!
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when i have too much time to think it can mess up my mood in fact i become very depressed... thats why instead of think i just do... i become more active i live by my common law so i won't fall apart i LIVE thats all i care for Live for the moment and cause rupture of the norm... do i have to lower my intelligence nope in fact i use that to my advantage and find clarity and still get mine
Posted 7/18/07
stupidity, happiness and ignorance are all completely seperate. happiness is not determined or affected by either since stupidity is a measure of how badly you learn or how uneducated you are. a stupid person can feel sad all the time for not being able to learn well or how they are uneducated, or they can be totally happy and comfortable with their life. ignorance is where you are not aware of something. say a person is ignorant of the effect of Thermopylae on the world and be totally sad about how they dont know more about it or they can be totally unaware and happy, not bothering to learn more about. happiness depends on the person themself, not his/her level of intelligence or personal ignorance. its how they look at their situation and decide how to feel.
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wow great topic yeah I think I'd rather be miserable then an ignorant person I loathe happy go lucky ppl who are blind to the reality of the world and things around them

My friends always tell me that I think about things other ppl would never say, and I space out a lot so I have a lot of time to think about things

it doesnt matter most ppl have little or no logic skills and or common sense according to my standards anyhow...
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Life life Intelligent but more miserable or be the idiot filled with great happiness....

I'd rather go with the misery than be ignorant, I'll never choose to be stupid, ever..... even if it means death... I shall always crave to be intelligent.... o.Q
Posted 7/18/07
Unfortunately, if everyone knew about the evils going on in the world and what people have done, they would quite possibly become miserable. Ignorance is good to a degree. Ignorance is bad when you don't know what is going on around you though.
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erm, if you're miserable..you just know too much XD....well okay that isn't necessarily true

but hey, one thing is for sure, if you spend your time focussing on the negative, on issues of the world, on how rotten the world is and then you are deemed "smart"....then HEEEELL YEEAAAH you're gonna be miserable >_>, and if focussing on the positive is "ignorant"..then suck my brains out and sell em to a hobo cuze i wanna be stupid right now

then again as i said im pretty happy, i know both the bad and the good...so fuck it XD
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