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Too Smart to be Happy?
Posted 2/25/08

esilabet wrote:

The question is rather simple, but let me explain so it becomes more complicated!

I have a book : How I became stupid by Martin Page, witch was excellent by the way, and his theory was : to be too smart will cause a lot of trouble, of pain, endless night thinking over and over about questions without answer.
And the guy decides to become stupid to get rid of his troubles (of the problems in the world that he always makes his own). After attempting to become alcoholic, to get a lobotomia, (both failed), he decides to become stupid by taking drugs (anti-depressors and tranquilizers) and the plan works. He can sleep again, buy clothes that are made by children in africa, eat platified food that pollutes more than it feeds, he even finds a job and eventually get rich.

So the question is : is it better to be blind - ignorant and happy, than to see - understand the ugliness ?


Well I think the guy hates to be misjudge by people because of other's first impresion......
But I think its better to be yourself than what people thinks about you
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intelligence makes you question yourself
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yea i think the less informed of the worlds misery the more happy we would be maybe ?
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Dusterbayala wrote:

That's where the saying Ignorance is bliss,
Esilabet, you might enjoy reading the short story "The ones who walk away from omelas" Excellent short story, and it highlights a similar philosophical idea.


Edit: http://www.twinoaks.org/members-exmembers/exmembers/center/omelas.html


Oh! I've read that story in one of my English classes!
(Forgot exactly which class it was )

Back to the point...

While some do indeed beleive that ignorance is bliss, still ignorance and stupidity do cause some of the worlds worst problems (George W. Bush and Osama Bin Laden anyone?).

I'd say we should learn about our world as much as possible, yet set aside some time to be silly.
I mean that's what I do!

And if you don't like what you see...

There's a reason they say "Knowledge is power", use it to make the world a better place! Actually do something about it, instead of sitting on your (*cho-me*) and complaining about it!

Oh, FYI, Omelas is "Salem O" spelled backwards in one word, with the 'O' standing for "Oregon". Clever huh?
Posted 2/25/08
i think that being too smart can make you unhappy to a certain extent
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Posted 2/25/08

esilabet wrote:

The question is rather simple, but let me explain so it becomes more complicated!

I have a book : How I became stupid by Martin Page, witch was excellent by the way, and his theory was : to be too smart will cause a lot of trouble, of pain, endless night thinking over and over about questions without answer.
And the guy decides to become stupid to get rid of his troubles (of the problems in the world that he always makes his own). After attempting to become alcoholic, to get a lobotomia, (both failed), he decides to become stupid by taking drugs (anti-depressors and tranquilizers) and the plan works. He can sleep again, buy clothes that are made by children in africa, eat platified food that pollutes more than it feeds, he even finds a job and eventually get rich.

So the question is : is it better to be blind - ignorant and happy, than to see - understand the ugliness ?


that is stupid and weekminded as hell.

life is of knolege and pain and thrugh that would be true happiness. it is very panfull to learn and to find the Q. but that is a challinge in life that must be overcome. and to just give up like that is just pitifull.

you should fight through and learn what life is, because to be stupid is not true happiness.


and if you dont git that than you mite as well just give up on life now.
(just my oppinione)
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its not knowing to much that makes you unhappy its that not knowing inof that make you that way
i am happy and verysmart but i was unhappy for many years because of trying to learn about life and i have found many answers in to so yall shouldnt just give up just because its a little hard, keep going that is the only way.
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well....it depends....if you like to tell people the right answer all the time then yea...you would be unhappy because not many people like that type of people...so you wouldn't be very popular...nerd...lol...so yea
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Posted 2/25/08

Dusterbayala wrote:

That's where the saying Ignorance is bliss,
Esilabet, you might enjoy reading the short story "The ones who walk away from omelas" Excellent short story, and it highlights a similar philosophical idea.


Edit: http://www.twinoaks.org/members-exmembers/exmembers/center/omelas.html


You think so? Interesting. I always got something different from it. Are you saying that the people who remain in Omelas are happy because they ignore the suffering child? I always thought that the idea highlighted was that people were able to live happily in Omelas because the childs miserable state made them realize what the cost of their society was, and were thus able to value it a lot more. It's a happiness that depends upon the suffering of others. Those who walk away were the exceptions, those who could not be happy knowing their happiness was based on the pain of another. I'd like to know your take on it, because I may have missed something (which would put me in a bind, since I've referenced it in a lot of what I've written, and would just have to pray none of my teachers or my small range of readers catch the mistake).

Also, and this question is directed at anyone here, are we talking about ignorance when we talk about intelligence? Are we discussing an amount of knowledge or a capacity to think? I'd like to be sure before I answer.
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Posted 2/25/08
It can make you sad. I used to be top of my class and then when my grades started slipping my teachers embarrassed me lol.
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.... i guess whatver floats their boat
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Posted 2/25/08

winsomemastix wrote:


Dusterbayala wrote:

That's where the saying Ignorance is bliss,
Esilabet, you might enjoy reading the short story "The ones who walk away from omelas" Excellent short story, and it highlights a similar philosophical idea.


Edit: http://www.twinoaks.org/members-exmembers/exmembers/center/omelas.html


You think so? Interesting. I always got something different from it. Are you saying that the people who remain in Omelas are happy because they ignore the suffering child? I always thought that the idea highlighted was that people were able to live happily in Omelas because the childs miserable state made them realize what the cost of their society was, and were thus able to value it a lot more. It's a happiness that depends upon the suffering of others. Those who walk away were the exceptions, those who could not be happy knowing their happiness was based on the pain of another. I'd like to know your take on it, because I may have missed something (which would put me in a bind, since I've referenced it in a lot of what I've written, and would just have to pray none of my teachers or my small range of readers catch the mistake).

Also, and this question is directed at anyone here, are we talking about ignorance when we talk about intelligence? Are we discussing an amount of knowledge or a capacity to think? I'd like to be sure before I answer.


In the story there are some people who know of the child but never go see the child with their own eyes. They have no actual concept of suffering. Those people allow their ignorance to make them happy. They don't face the suffering of the child in the tiny room and therefore remain in ignorance.
For some they know happiness because they've seen the horrible suffering of the child.
The ones who walk away are the ones who face the suffering, have seen it with their own eyes, yet cannot seem to live knowing the child is there for their benefit.
I think that those people who walk away are the ones who want to know their own suffering to feel the happiness that they can't obtain by watching someone else's suffering.

It's an interesting story, and can be taken in many different ways (as we discovered in my philosophy class during the discussion of the story)

and to answer your other question, i think that ignorance can't be removed when discussing intelligence. Ignorance is part of everyone. it's also an intregal part of bettering or creating the desire for intelligence.
Without ignorance, the drive to overcome, the drive to become something better would not exist.

This can be better understood by referring to Plato's (really Socrates) Allegory of the cave.
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html

Please, let me know what conclusions you come to after reading that (if you haven't already read it)
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Posted 2/25/08

Dusterbayala wrote:

In the story there are some people who know of the child but never go see the child with their own eyes. They have no actual concept of suffering. Those people allow their ignorance to make them happy. They don't face the suffering of the child in the tiny room and therefore remain in ignorance.
For some they know happiness because they've seen the horrible suffering of the child.
The ones who walk away are the ones who face the suffering, have seen it with their own eyes, yet cannot seem to live knowing the child is there for their benefit.
I think that those people who walk away are the ones who want to know their own suffering to feel the happiness that they can't obtain by watching someone else's suffering.

It's an interesting story, and can be taken in many different ways (as we discovered in my philosophy class during the discussion of the story)

and to answer your other question, i think that ignorance can't be removed when discussing intelligence. Ignorance is part of everyone. it's also an intregal part of bettering or creating the desire for intelligence.
Without ignorance, the drive to overcome, the drive to become something better would not exist.

This can be better understood by referring to Plato's (really Socrates) Allegory of the cave.
http://www.historyguide.org/intellect/allegory.html

Please, let me know what conclusions you come to after reading that (if you haven't already read it)


Alright, that I can more easily agree on. The question then is whether those people who leave are unhappy, which I would say varies greatly from person to person. When I discussed it in my class, we came to more or less the same conclusion. People can live in utopia because they are aware of suffering, but they do not acknowledge it as anything more than a sad necessity. Their ignorance is that they do not fully understand the cost of their happiness. Those who walk away are those who fully understand that truth, and cannot continue to live happily knowing it. Thus, they seek out a different kind of happiness outside of the false utopia. A happiness that is attained independently and through reaching one's own end. I connect this to Aristotelian happiness. Aristotle wrote that people attain happiness by reaching their own final and self-sufficient end. This goal varies greatly from person to person. "Different men seek after happiness in different ways and by different means, and so make for themselves different modes of life and forms of government." I think that quote from him applies to the short story quite well.

This really is what makes Omelas my favorite short story...

On to the answer to my next question, that helps a bit. If you look at it that way, I still don't think knowledge is something that would hinder happiness. However, that's more because of my rather Taoist philosophy that happiness is a choice one can make.

Of course, the Allegory of the Cave, which I believe is discussed in almost any philosophy class or, from my experience, English or Humanities class, will apply to almost any philosophy one can think of. Especially any Western philosophy. It has obvious applications here. Leaving the cave would make it impossible to live the way you once did, similar to how those who see the child in Omelas can no longer bring themselves to live in the utopia. Of course, that again does not mean that they are incapable of happiness. The Allegory of the Cave also asserts that people living inside the cave would ignore, even violently resist any attempt the enlightened person made to bring the truth to them. People would rather remain ignorant and happy than to know the truth and half to find happiness again. That's what the people of Omelas do; they ignore the truth that stares them in the face.

Oh, and just to clarify, thanks for the link. I had already read it, but I'm glad I have an online source now.
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Posted 2/26/08
i am sort of irritated reading misspelled words.

okay... so guys,.... which...as in those used in sentences are spelled as which NOT WITCH! a witch is somebody, especially a woman, who is supposed to have magical or wonder-working powers that are most often used malevolently.

and happiness! is spelled as happiness NOT HAPPYNESS

i know that there's a movie about it but....

yeah.

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okay, so now i've settled the nagging feeling/s....

Is it possible that even if you are stupid, you'll experience happiness?
absolutely.
Is it possible that if you are way too intelligent, you'll experience happiness?
still true

whatever you are (stupid/smart ass)...
you can be happy...

it just depends on what your perception about "being happy" is.

Maybe for now you are not really "happy-happy".
But, someday you will....

everyone does.
we just have to wait for that "happy right time"!
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i was reading a few books abt investigative journalism which exposes the truths abt some govt n why some countries are e way they are.. it was depressing to read abt infanticide, genocide.. e cruelties of war etc etc. i kept wanting to pack my stuff n leave for africa or palestine... i feel depressed not bein able to do anything while children r dyin out dere every single day. thank god, i haf found a solution.

im now gonna build my business.. network n network until e huge $$$$$$ comes in. den i'll b able to retire younger n go help all e dying children.

haa. so bein smart, doesnt necessarily makes u unhappy. and bein ignorant doesnt makes u unhappy either. e point is, if dere's smth wrong wid e world, help urself first den u can help e world.
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