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British sending Canadian Troops to Fight in HK during WWII
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Okay, so, recently in History we learned that during World War 2, before Hong Kong was attacked most of the British soldiers and Navy had returned to Britain to fight there. When the British found out that the Japanese army were marching towards Hong Kong through China, they sent in Canadian troops, supposedly for 'political reasons'. Previously, Winston Churchill, the Prime Minister, had said that there was no way Britain could keep Hong Kong from falling into Japanese hands. Yet they still asked Canada to send in inexperienced, young soldiers, some of which had never shot a rifle or thrown a grenade before.

These soldiers were as young as the age of 18.

Some historians believe that the British simply sent these young soldiers to their deaths for nothing. Others disagree, saying that there might have been a possibility of keeping Hong Kong from being captured.

So. What's your opinion?
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well i think if britian didn't send canadian soilders to hong kong, hong kong would have been under japanese conrtol and would have been back to china after ww2 instead of waiting 50 more year. If u look at it in a good way if they didn't send canadian soilders hong kong wouldn't be as developed as it is now
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xgk3000 wrote:

well i think if britian didn't send canadian soilders to hong kong, hong kong would have been under japanese conrtol and would have been back to china after ww2 instead of waiting 50 more year. If u look at it in a good way if they didn't send canadian soilders hong kong wouldn't be as developed as it is now


Well, but sending Canadian soldiers before Hong Kong was captured didn't help. They only had a single line of defence, no plan B, and they were completely unprepared. In the end they died but still Hong Kong was taken over by the Japanese. But it's probably true that if they sent them later they helped to get it back.
Posted 2/19/08
There are many sacrifices done for the sake of a country/to win a war....and war is shit.

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MidnightZorya wrote:

There are many sacrifices done for the sake of a country/to win a war....and war is shit.

Flo~


I suppose so, but sacrificing those mens' lives didn't seem to help the country at all. But I agree that war is meaningless

Posted 2/19/08

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MidnightZorya wrote:

There are many sacrifices done for the sake of a country/to win a war....and war is shit.

Flo~


I suppose so, but sacrificing those mens' lives didn't seem to help the country at all. But I agree that war is meaningless



Well at war people don't give a shit if you are only 18, or if you have family or something else. It is about to kill or getting killed. Only the strong ones survive, in this case the ones with experience and good guns win. Though it is surely sad. But Canada shouldn't have sent them on the request of the British. Though I am not well-informed about the circumstances, so correct me if needed. Anyways they(Canada) knew that this soldiers are unexperienced and that Hong Kong was already lost, still they did send them.=/

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yea i guess sending the canadian soilders gave britian time to send more troops the get HK back
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The Winnipeg Grenadiers where there.
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The decision to send two infantry battalions, the Royal Rifles of Canada from eastern Quebec and the Winnipeg Grenadiers, to aid in the defence of Hong Kong was made in September 1941. The British and American governments were seeking ways of deterring Japan from continuing its aggressive expansion in Asia by reinforcing garrisons in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines. Canada was asked to do its part by strengthening the defences of Hong Kong.

Neither battalion was fully trained or equipped for modern war but both officers and men proved to be courageous in battle. They arrived in Hong Kong on the 16 November 1941, three weeks before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and the outposts of British and American power in the Pacific. The Japanese used a reinforced division to attack Hong Kong and quickly overwhelmed the British and Indian troops on the mainland. On 18 December the assault on the island began and both Canadian battalions were involved in difficult and costly battles. During one action Sergeant-Major J. R. Osborn led a bayonet charge to secure a hill top. When the enemy counterattacked with hand grenades Osborn caught several and threw them back until one grenade fell where he could not reach it. Shouting a warning he threw himself upon it as it exploded, giving his life for his comrades. Osborn was subsequently awarded the Victoria Cross.

The fighting cost the Canadians 290 killed with almost 500 wounded. During the long years of deprivation and slave labour in prisoner of war camps another 264 died including four men executed for trying to escape. After the war the 1,148 who returned to Canada waged a second struggle to overcome disabilities and obtain compensation for their sacrifice.

The decision to send two infantry battalions, the Royal Rifles of Canada from eastern Quebec and the Winnipeg Grenadiers, to aid in the defence of Hong Kong was made in September 1941. The British and American governments were seeking ways of deterring Japan from continuing its aggressive expansion in Asia by reinforcing garrisons in Singapore, Malaysia and the Philippines. Canada was asked to do its part by strengthening the defences of Hong Kong.

Neither battalion was fully trained or equipped for modern war but both officers and men proved to be courageous in battle. They arrived in Hong Kong on the 16 November 1941, three weeks before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour and the outposts of British and American power in the Pacific. The Japanese used a reinforced division to attack Hong Kong and quickly overwhelmed the British and Indian troops on the mainland. On 18 December the assault on the island began and both Canadian battalions were involved in difficult and costly battles. During one action Sergeant-Major J. R. Osborn led a bayonet charge to secure a hill top. When the enemy counterattacked with hand grenades Osborn caught several and threw them back until one grenade fell where he could not reach it. Shouting a warning he threw himself upon it as it exploded, giving his life for his comrades. Osborn was subsequently awarded the Victoria Cross.

The fighting cost the Canadians 290 killed with almost 500 wounded. During the long years of deprivation and slave labour in prisoner of war camps another 264 died including four men executed for trying to escape. After the war the 1,148 who returned to Canada waged a second struggle to overcome disabilities and obtain compensation for their sacrifice.

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7nmelz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:

There are many sacrifices done for the sake of a country/to win a war....and war is shit.

Flo~


I suppose so, but sacrificing those mens' lives didn't seem to help the country at all. But I agree that war is meaningless



Do you mean to say world war two was useless.
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Overall, everyone made sacrifices, Canada had many victories too, as a canadian i just think that since we pride ourselves on being peacekeepers (kinda hypacritical(kill to stop killing)) we should extend our help to all who need it, although our military has all but become a joke since WWII.(our air force still best trained in world)
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it doesn't matter if it was right or not. canada was under the british crown, and subject to its rule. it was part of the empire, and the british used its resources for its own purpose. thats the way empires work.
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evilpen14 wrote:


7nmelz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:

There are many sacrifices done for the sake of a country/to win a war....and war is shit.

Flo~


I suppose so, but sacrificing those mens' lives didn't seem to help the country at all. But I agree that war is meaningless



Do you mean to say world war two was useless.


Well, not exactly, but it didn't do so much for anyone. I think the sacrifice outweighted the improvements from the wars. I'm not saying that all wars don't achieve anything. For example we have the civil war in America, which helped black people attain freedom. That was good, and worth the sacrifice. But was it the same when it came to the second world war?
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7nmelz wrote:


evilpen14 wrote:


7nmelz wrote:


MidnightZorya wrote:

There are many sacrifices done for the sake of a country/to win a war....and war is shit.

Flo~


I suppose so, but sacrificing those mens' lives didn't seem to help the country at all. But I agree that war is meaningless



Do you mean to say world war two was useless.


Well, not exactly, but it didn't do so much for anyone. I think the sacrifice outweighted the improvements from the wars. I'm not saying that all wars don't achieve anything. For example we have the civil war in America, which helped black people attain freedom. That was good, and worth the sacrifice. But was it the same when it came to the second world war?


What you mean to say we shouldn't of fought to free the Jews in the concentration camps we shouldn't of fought to save the black people in the concentration camps along with the mentally disabled we should of let Hitler do what he wanted with them. I think the war was totally worth the sacrafice all countries went through including Germany. The American civil war now I don't know alot about that since we don't learn it and it has never intrested me but didn't Martin Luther King JR bring about the freedom of Black people in America in the 1960s. It seems to be that the cicvil war did fuck all as Black people in the 60s were still segregated from the whites the Civil war was a waste of time to be honest. That war also envolved The Battle of Gettysburg Which had the greatest loss of live in the war and for what reason to keep America whole yeah but not to free the Blacks.
Posted 3/29/08
all i know is that the british r evil!
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