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Corporal punishment for kids?
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This topic have really interested me for a long time and after talking to many people, i want to know how all of the intellectual in CR thinks about this topic.
I am against corporal punishment for kids! END PHYSICAL PUNISHMENT OF CHILDREN that is because i don't see why people have to inflict pain on others to make others learn. I belive there is a better way of teaching children without hitting children and why not use that better way? Spanking, teaches a child that when it comes to solving problems, violence is the only way, it also increase anti-social behavious such as lying, stealing, cheating, bullying, assaulting a sibling or peers, and lack of remorse for wrongdoing. Parents sometimes also hit children simply to vent thier anger and then they will say "I'm hitting you for your own good" and that also makes the child to accept illogical arguments, also it erodes the trust between a parent and a child. There are also a few long term effect that might happen, the child might not feel respested and will want revenge and will see nothing wrong in violence. After a long time of coporal punishment the child will soon feel that suffering mustn’t be felt, it must be ignored (which is dangerous to the immune system).

What Others Have To Say?

"The same ones kept coming back for more. It wasn't working. Hitting children did not seem to improve their behavior. It seemed in fact to be reinforcing the very behaviors I was attempting to eliminate." - Sid Leonard, Retired Principal, Toledo, Ohio

As millions of children across the USA prepare to go back to school, teachers are laying down their weapons - the paddles they use to dole out corporal punishment. A teacher does best armed only with knowledge. Corporal punishment is a cruel and obsolete weapon. - USA Today 8/22/90


"There is nothing 'manly' about beating women. There is nothing 'adult' about hitting children. All such violence really is cowardly activity. It betrays a person who needs to invade someone else's dignity to feel important. It can leave deep emotional scars and almost always begets further violence. Our culture needs to give priority attention to this problem. We need to isolate abusive behaviors wherever they exist and insist that people and institutions find alternative solutions. Failing at this, the lust for violence may do to us what no outside enemy has succeeded in doing. It may tear us apart at the seams." - Reverend Dr. Thomas E. Sagendorf, retired United Methodist Church minister, Hammond IN


"Good school discipline should be instilled through the mind, not the behind." - Robert E. Fathman, Ph.D. President, National Coalition to Abolish Corporal Punishment in Schools

So after reading this what do you think? Agree or still disagree with me?
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Hmm. I'm not very sure, but I think every kid is taught in a different way. There are some kids that will learn this way, and there are some kids that don't. Therefore, I believe that corporal punishment is correct - in specific cases. However, there are many times when a child will not learn from this punishment. They refuse to improve. If hitting them doesn't work, try a different method.

Even so, I think that drawing a line between punishment and violence is important. If taken too far, your punishment might just end up as pure cruelness and not teach your child anything.

Well, I don't really know. I'm still a kid, I'm probably not gonna have children until ten years later. But this is my opinion, from a kid's point of view. Would an adult agree?
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Corporal punishment is wrong, not only in children, but in everyone. It causes more conflict than is solved by the punishment. In children it raises the likelihood of the child eventually not caring about it any more and will stop caring about any punishment that is given to the child. This would, in turn, raise the likelihood of the child becoming antisocial in later life, due to the lack of proper discipline.
Posted 2/19/08
I am pro-corporal punishment, sometimes...but it also depends to what extent, for what reasons, and how harsh.
Children this days are horribly cheeky towards superiors such as teachers and so on, because they know that if the teacher hits them they can bring the teacher into troubles, however some kids definitely deserve to get slapped. Also some children don't understand the *better way* and need to get their ass beaten to understand how wrong their behaviour was, which you can't show that well with words. Of course I am not saying that if the kid pisses you off then you should beat it up, first try it with words and if that won't work then try it with a sweet clap on their butt which is much more effective.

In my family we never really got beaten, just slightly slapped or dad was hunting us with his belt in his hands, but he never caught any of us =P My siblings and me were and maybe still are one of the cheekiest and most annoying kids....We fought with each others every day, really fought, my brother broke my hand while fighting with me, he had to get a few stitches like twice, my other bro had also a few stitches and a broken finger...and my sis has had a few stitches too, so did I, still have a big scar from it<.<....but we are all still alive, and now that we are older we don't fight anymore, I guess we enjoyed it enough long while small. The violence did totally disappear in my family, and I would actually never beat a child, I am pretty calm towards harsh situations, but from time to time I have my breakouts ...but nah..I wouldn't beat them...maybe a tiny clap on their head or butt.. LAWL~

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here in our country Punishing students physically will get you beaten and may also be sentenced with the case of child abuse.. The only allowed corporal punishment is like letting the child/student clean the CR or the worst get expelled..
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inflicting corporal punishment to a child in the medical view is really not tolerated... it could psuchologically put a child in different situations and these could give either possitive or negative results.. but this however can vary, some children do learn from it. while some dont. some are too hardheaded to really understand.. and some reciveing punishment from someone tend to create fear from the physical punishment. and can cause traumas.

i agree to spanking but on a minimal level. and also when doing corporal punishment, you should tell the child properly for the child to really understand... that is if they would really understand.

i would suggest telling the child first if he/she did something wrong and not immediately punish the child because of a slight fault.

but, if the child still continues doing this. and despite all your "parental talking" then its time to infict some pain. for the child to know the consequence of not listening to you. but this also depends on what fault he did. you cant just inflict pain to a child because you told him many times to go to bed and he still dosent. there are also other ways in discipining the child...

its just, inflict pain as a last resort.
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i don't agree with that. you can always talk to a child, if the child does not listen, well, you can use the reverse psychology method. i believe there's a lot ways to discipline a child without hurting him.
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I believe that hitting a child within limit should be perfectly allowed as part of a set of tools that parents must use to teach their children. I was hit when I was young, and I stand by it... despite on the receiving end. Some kids nowadays are spoiled cry babies... No backbone at all...

Kids nowadays have too much freedom, and usually don't have to work for anything.
Hell, if my kid gives me lip- I'd back hand that sob....

I disagree with emm0548 (post above) on points about psychologically damaging a child when you hit them--- not with the right intention.

If your mom or dad is a sadistic prick who get pleasure on seeing you in pain-- yeah get help. But if you did something so wrong, that it forces your parent to slap or hit you to teach you a lesson-- that is their duty to straighten you up. It's either that, or military school. You choose.

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futurestate wrote:

I believe that hitting a child within limit should be perfectly allowed as part of a set of tools that parents must use to teach their children. I was hit when I was young, and I stand by it... despite on the receiving end. Some kids nowadays are spoiled cry babies... No backbone at all...

Kids nowadays have too much freedom, and usually don't have to work for anything.
Hell, if my kid gives me lip- I'd back hand that sob....

I disagree with emm0548 (post above) on points about psychologically damaging a child when you hit them--- not with the right intention.

If your mom or dad is a sadistic prick who get pleasure on seeing you in pain-- yeah get help. But if you did something so wrong, that it forces your parent to slap or hit you to teach you a lesson-- that is their duty to straighten you up. It's either that, or military school. You choose.



but i do know some people being psychologically affected because of being hit.. some children tend to be sensitive to things and as the 1st post said .... they may lose trust with thier parents... this varies greatly depending on the child.
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On one hand, I agree with your arguments. On the other, I have to consider what it is we're attempting to teach. Our morality itself is "unnatural" because we're essentially imposing standards upon animals (us - I shouldn't even have to clarify) who want to satisfy their instincts, so often the application of the physical pleasure-pain principle is most effective. Besides, the very young don't have the same capacity for reason and communication as we do, so talking it out or making them sit in a corner isn't really an effective option. Furthermore, many of the problems that can develop from physical punishment can develop from non-physical punishment as well (consider the power of guilt that arises more strongly from this type of punishment than physical). Yes, it is barbaric that we resort to hurting people to get them to do what we want, but it is the same for our mental and emotional scoldings. Civilization would collapse if we let everyone do what he wanted.

Of course, the way parents punish their children is only part of the way they are taught "right" from "wrong."

I'm choosing to not have kids partly so I don't have to bring life into a world that denies life. (See Nietzsche, particularly On The Genealogy of Morals - not that he supports not having children for this reason.)
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Hitting people is the best way to solve all of your problems.

Is that the message you want kids to hear from their parents and teachers?
Posted 2/19/08
Well firstly, if I ever had a child I would never physically harm them to discipline, like you said there are many other ways to get a child to behave. I know that that method of discipline has worked for some families but I just don't generally agree with it.
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A good swat when your kid does something he or she KNOWS is wrong never hurt anybody. Just a way of teaching them not to do it.
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I'm more for taking away every single outlet of enjoyment from
the child and making then stand in the corner or sit in their room.
Boredom is a great punishment because the kid will learn if they
do a certain action it will result with the "no fun" consequences.
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Child does something wrong, you explain to him why it's wrong, and the consequences for it the next time he does it.

Second time he does it, depending on length of time since last incident and circumstances surrounding it, you could let him off with another verbal warning.

Third time he does it, he recieves physical punishment to help reinforce his memory.

This helps a child to develop a sense of logic and be aware that his actions will bring repercussions. Pain is a tool that can be replaced by reason as children get older, but until they develop those mental facilities, hitting them is not only legitimate but should be encouraged ('cause we all know time-outs don't work).

The only reason people argue against physical punishment is because there are quite a few retards out there ill-suited to be parents, who'll use it to uphold arbitrary rules that they've made for their own comfort, or who don't know the limit (e.g. hitting them because they don't finish their food, assaulting a child as if he were an adult, etc).


coolalicialee wrote:
I belive there is a better way of teaching children without hitting children and why not use that better way? Spanking, teaches a child that when it comes to solving problems, violence is the only way, it also increase anti-social behavious such as lying, stealing, cheating, bullying, assaulting a sibling or peers, and lack of remorse for wrongdoing. Parents sometimes also hit children simply to vent thier anger and then they will say "I'm hitting you for your own good" and that also makes the child to accept illogical arguments, also it erodes the trust between a parent and a child. There are also a few long term effect that might happen, the child might not feel respested and will want revenge and will see nothing wrong in violence. After a long time of coporal punishment the child will soon feel that suffering mustn’t be felt, it must be ignored (which is dangerous to the immune system).


Something I feel the original poster fails to mention is that all those quotes and symptoms are descriptions of situations where hitting is used as the solution or arbitrarily. Hitting is something meant to reinforce reasoning, not supplant it. In this context, hitting a child is reasonable.


futurestate wrote:
Hell, if my kid gives me lip- I'd back hand that sob....

I disagree with emm0548 (post above) on points about psychologically damaging a child when you hit them--- not with the right intention.


This is what I mean by people hitting children for their own comfort. If a child were to "give you lip", that'd be their way of developing a method of argument. This is a good thing. You can then teach them the correct forms of persuasive argument so that they will be able to communicate with you and everyone else they meet in the future. And no, just 'cause you think you have the right intentions doesn't make it so (e.g. beating the "gay" out of a child, or whatnot).
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