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What is the Self?
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I really don't want to post here, but I wanted to share something (so, i have to)

"What is self?" question is a little broad (and it’s mind-mumbling issue)
but that question can be answered by simply asking "Who am I?" or "Who i am."
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I don't think so simpleyesa, I don't think you have read the previous comments
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Yes, I don't read those. It's long and i get information overload.
I'm not referring to any post above me. I am posting as if i am the first person to give an answer.
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the truth is i really dunno
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Yea well I admitted my first post could have been done better.

To make it simple there are basically two questions:
1)What is the nature of a person?
2)What is it that makes a person at two different times one and the same person.
In other words for #2, what is necessarily involved in the continued existence of a person.

There can also be questions about number of persons/survival/etc, which are important as well.

And sure these are huge questions and difficult to consider.

Some suggestions as to what a person is essentially:
1) You are your body (Man is an animal)
2) You are your psychological characteristics (memory, consciousness, etc)
3) You are in some sense above and beyond these (soul, etc)
4) The narritive view, by Dennett. Self is the center of narrative gravity. Its just the thing that has perspective and outlook. http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm
5) Essentially nothing special. The self is unreal. Man is just an organism, no enduring self. http://pdftohtml.markoer.org/pdf2html.php?url=http://uk.geocities.com/rbphilo/recentpapers.pdf
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Eros wrote:

Yea well I admitted my first post could have been done better.

To make it simple there are basically two questions:
1)What is the nature of a person?
2)What is it that makes a person at two different times one and the same person.
In other words for #2, what is necessarily involved in the continued existence of a person.

There can also be questions about number of persons/survival/etc, which are important as well.

And sure these are huge questions and difficult to consider.

Some suggestions as to what a person is essentially:
1) You are your body (Man is an animal)
2) You are your psychological characteristics (memory, consciousness, etc)
3) You are in some sense above and beyond these (soul, etc)
4) The narritive view, by Dennett. Self is the center of narrative gravity. Its just the thing that has perspective and outlook. http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm
5) Essentially nothing special. The self is unreal. Man is just an organism, no enduring self. http://pdftohtml.markoer.org/pdf2html.php?url=http://uk.geocities.com/rbphilo/recentpapers.pdf



what do you think we humans are? Prosthetic human organism? I disagree that man is an animal. Humans are humans and animals are animals. Simple as that. We have no relation to any other animal species.

If man has is just an organism with no enduring self. Then where have our souls and spirit gone to?

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Those were only suggestions, he is doing a paper on this so he has to consider and analyze all the possible sides. And yes humans are certainly different from animals when it comes to consciousness or soul, etc. But biologically speaking we have more in common than you think, and I don't see that as something offensive, in fact it makes me see life as even more beautiful in the sense that from something so fundamental and basic (such as DNA for example) there exists all these millions of different organisms that are only materialistically different by a mere difference of molecule arrangements among other factors.
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Did i just hear you say we have no relation to any other animal species bellus?
I'm learning more and more each day.
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i agree both ways

we arent aniamals

but we are technaclly

it goes both ways
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well i don't bat for both sides mister, sorry i just don't swing that way jj

All jokes aside, mauz stated the differerences between animals and humans quite clearly, it is a distinction of consciousness, and the question of 'soul' for lack of a better word is still a notion up in the air for both groups in question. Biologically, it is clear that we are animals or as synonomous as can be, I believe this was cleared up in 1859, but I guess this theory hasn't caught up to that many.
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If given the chance, i want to meet Charles Darwin and discuss about evolution right there and then.

~ Time machine please.
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cbisram wrote:


Did i just hear you say we have no relation to any other animal species bellus?
I'm learning more and more each day.



Well i know for sure that you are related to a chimpanzee no doubt about that.

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^ so your what then?
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I'll answer for her. T_T. An animal.

And here is some related material.

The leading philosopher in the bodily criteria for personal identity, or man as an animal
I'd suggest ""Argument for Animalism" for a quick overview.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/departments/academic/philosophy/research/publications/olsone.html

I agree with the basic idea, that we are animals, but I see psychological traits are more important. Heck would you rather have your body or your center of narrative gravity continue to exist. So in this sense a person is more essentially their psychological traits. Helps to show some problems with the psychological view perhaps.

To damn much to read. I'm just a beginner yet I'll have to write about something like I know what I'm talking about.
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