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Posted 2/21/08

gummyvites808 wrote:

GAY!!!


How typical of an American....

Well since the majority of this website are American, this thread will get bashed.
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Posted 2/21/08
Actually, the British has one of the best well-trained armed forces in the world.
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Posted 2/26/08
The armed services are not recieving the money they should be. The British have some of the worst kit you could possible asked to work with but we still get the job done and we do it better then America.
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Posted 2/26/08

evilpen14 wrote:

The armed services are not recieving the money they should be. The British have some of the worst kit you could possible asked to work with but we still get the job done and we do it better then America. :)


Uh...No you don't. The only two special forces that come close to America's special forces are Iraq (which is the best in the world) and Canada. So...Yeah, no, you're wrong.
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Posted 2/26/08
US special forces are not the best or near the best all they do is shoot the shit out of anything that moves. they don;t think it is shoot and ask question later.
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Posted 2/26/08

evilpen14 wrote:

US special forces are not the best or near the best all they do is shoot the shit out of anything that moves. they don;t think it is shoot and ask question later.


Again, stop talking, you don't know what you're talking about. The Rangers and Seals are some of the most highly trained soldiers on the planet. They are taught only to act when necessary and make only the movements necessary to get the job done. Have you ever seen a video on the training around a Seal? They have to die. They actually have to drown and trust they will be recessitated. They are trained in over a dozen different weapons and gain the rating of expert on all of them.

Seriously, again, be quiet.
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Posted 2/26/08

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evilpen14 wrote:

US special forces are not the best or near the best all they do is shoot the shit out of anything that moves. they don;t think it is shoot and ask question later.


Again, stop talking, you don't know what you're talking about. The Rangers and Seals are some of the most highly trained soldiers on the planet. They are taught only to act when necessary and make only the movements necessary to get the job done. Have you ever seen a video on the training around a Seal? They have to die. They actually have to drown and trust they will be recessitated. They are trained in over a dozen different weapons and gain the rating of expert on all of them.

Seriously, again, be quiet.


lol you just got pwned xp
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Posted 2/26/08
So you die in training and bringing them back with recessitating doesn't work all the time you would lose more men. If you have prove of these men having to die in training prove it. I would like to see it. Also the video would be classified as it would be top secret. Expert on weapons training isnt the same in every country.
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Posted 2/26/08
all i know is in call of duty 4, the american guy dies and the british guy lives..... i think.... wait was he even british?
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Posted 2/26/08

evilpen14 wrote:

So you die in training and bringing them back with recessitating doesn't work all the time you would lose more men. If you have prove of these men having to die in training prove it. I would like to see it. Also the video would be classified as it would be top secret. Expert on weapons training isnt the same in every country.


You'd actually have to talk to a seal to verify the death thing. It's widely known on the internet but the government and the Navy don't actually admit to doing it.

As for the video, no it's not top secret. They have a History Channel and a Discovery Channel show based around special forces training, both of which covered the Seals and the Ranger's training. They can show a portion of it. Obviously some of it is Secret or Top Secret but not all.

As for Expert on weapons, no it's actually pretty standardized. The British Special Forces follows the exact same weapons standardization as the US. Seeing as how the US is the largest supplier of weapons, you can see why everyone follows the same standards.
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Posted 2/26/08

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all i know is in call of duty 4, the american guy dies and the british guy lives..... i think.... wait was he even british?


I believe he did, yes. He was a part of the UK's Special Air Forces.
Posted 2/26/08

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Do you think they have enough money to do the job they do?


Yes, they have more than enough money. The military budget could be cut down (obviously resulting in the limiting of military campaigns, but isn't that a good thing?)


Are they doing what is needed?


No. I do not believe that arms are for offense, but for defence. Having embroiled themselves in two wars, both of which appear to be without end they are missing the point of the wars in the first place. "Liberating" a country does not mean violence, it means freedom... the two concepts should be incompatible.


Do you believe they have always done a good job?


No... look at the Falklands War, Suez, basically any mission they have been involved in other than peacekeeping missions, and even some of those were dreadful failures (the NATO force in the Balkans arrived far too late to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Albanians)


Are they the best trained in the world?


No. The Iraqi Prison fiasco proves that. No well trained, disciplined, sensible people would submit anyone, no matter what they've done, to that sort of humiliation.


What is your view and why on any questions here or more if you can think of any I haven't mentioned.


Does Britain even need an offensive force?


As regards the difference between British and American forces. Currently British forces are more adept at confronting an insurgent force, this is due to the (relatively recent) Northern Ireland Conflict, during which the IRA used tactics similar to those used by insurgents in Iraq. They have (hopefully) learnt from their mistakes, and due to the constant (until last year) threat dealing with situations such as these have been an important part of the training process.
The most recent campaign against insurgent forces for the US was Vietnam (unless you count Peacekeeping forces). This was considerably less of a success than NI and had considerably less impact upon the American people (as it was so far away from home... there were no Vietcong bombing Washington for example).
In this sense the British forces could be claimed to be better prepared, in the end I don't think that it really matters.
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Posted 2/26/08

kedakai wrote:

any country with nuclear weapons doesn't need a strong army. If backed into a corner, I believe Britain would nuke first and ask questions later


If Britain was backed into a corner and decided to use nukes, I think this would give the other country justifiable cause to nuke the hell out of them, then Britain wouldn't be able to defend themselves from nukes considering at that point they are too weak.
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Posted 2/26/08
No, I don't think so
Yeah, sometimes
Not really
Of course not!
No comment, they're just been looked upon by some ministers
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Posted 2/26/08

ShredPenguins wrote:

As for Expert on weapons, no it's actually pretty standardized. The British Special Forces follows the exact same weapons standardization as the US. Seeing as how the US is the largest supplier of weapons, you can see why everyone follows the same standards.


In answer to your comment I think you'll find that the British armaments, do not come from the US, for instance the Challanger Mark II Battle Tank are produceds by Vickers Defence Systems, a BRITISH company as with the SA80 A2 with again is produced by Heckler & Koch, which is owned by Royal Ordnance, now BAE, and I think you'll find that BAE took over the US company, United Defense Industrie. So how can you say when we are standardized, when we don't use the same weaponary and that we get it from the same suppliers??

Plus as to know what I'm talking about I think I should don't as quite a few of my relatives work for the MOD whether it Army, Navy, Airforce or Royal Fleet Auxillary.

As to your Special Forces training, again i'll think you'll find that the British actual train quite a few of them. As well as this I can see any force in the world be stupid enough to drown their own men and then hope that they can be succesfully resuscitation. I know our Royal Marines and Special Force expect their men to hold their breath while'll going through a water filled tunnel, but actually drowning them?? If that is true then it just shows how stupid and foolish the American forces are, I mean for christ's sake what force goes to Iraq, working with us (the UK) and then not once, but countless times either launchs missiles at our convoys or starts firing at a British displaying a British flag for everyone to see?? I'll tell you who, the Americans, and all fairness we should be out there, the only we're out their will you is because our current government are Mr Bushes lap dog, the sooner hes gone the better and then we can all go home end of story!!!
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