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What is the most evil?
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lol it is that as well but look under art
http://www.alchemy-gothic.com/alchemygothicart.html try this u will see the art work there i like to buy some of the art have it here on my walls
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The world is drowning in shades of gray, "evil" and "good" are constantly relative to the circumstances. Most people use common sense to lay down some ground rules and try to achieve order(ethics, religion, laws).

But while the masses are confused the truly "evil" will take advantage of the situation(politicians, religious zealots, capitalists, dictators, lawyers, car salesmen)

People the world over have been exposed to a wide range of ethical rules, but when these truly evil people interefere, they disturb the order and generations of time are wasted trying to regain a unanimous order(Crusades-killing in the name of God for land and honor/ Hitler-killing the scapegoats of history, to reunite his shattered country/ colonists declaring Manifest Destiny to advance cultured civilization).

The situation was always something that could go from bad to good, but those types of people jump in, and it goes from bad to worse.

If these educated civilizations could fall into the 'ethics wasteland', does that mean that evil is real, and inherent in some of us?(most of us I think )

I just reread some Lord of the Flies, and it struck home.
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Posted 12/1/06
Colored people are evil.........
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Posted 12/1/06
my spanish teacher.....
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Yes lusurpher lord of the flies is so scary precisely because it shows just how weak all this "civilization" is....it is also the perfect example to demonstrate why we need to study Ethics
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I told you guys...

Posted 12/1/06
i made this topic, and as i was saying to log last night, i figured it would turn into some retarded debate (and it likely still will) save for a few people here who are highly intellectual and are great debaters and such (mauz, az etc, you know who you are. and we all know who you arent). however, i decided to try to stay out of it for the most part...

but anyonw who knows me can tell you that is almost impossible for me

i wanted to point out my personal belief in that it IS all relative, and subjective. not by culture, but personally. the nordics believed that murder got you into heaven (sorta. Valhalla was close enough), but only if it was justified. if you were a coward, or died pleasently in your sleep, you went to Hel (which is more like purgatory than christian hell)...but even amongst them there were people who took that to mean kill as many people as possible. or others who took the "right" of killing to the "wrong" place. however, those people believed they were doing what was only good.

dahmer, gacy, bundy. kazintsky, hitler, mussolini...dong zhuo, tokugawa iieyasu, nobunaga oda, gaius caesar, neero claudius, vlad tepes...were these people really EVIL? to their adversaries, to the masses, tothose they killed, hell yes, they were evil. but to history? most would consider them evil (cept caesar and tokugawa, who are considered heros, but most people dont realize the horrible things they actually did). even vlad, who is considered one of the most heinous rulers of all time, is considered a hero in his own lands for driving out the turks and keeping them at bay for another 50 years.

point is...evil, and "bad" may be culturally imposed, but it in personally understood. with writing (i sometimes get bitched at for this by my professor) you arent supposed to use words like love, evil, wrong unless you want them to be so open-ended to make the reader think about it. because each of us thinks of evil in a different way. culturally imposed, in most cases, but not in all (such as myself, for instance)

and nobody has made mention that evil is not the same thing as "bad" or "wrong", in most views. stealing your sisters wallet, to take 3 bucks is wrong...but is it evil? punching a woman in the stomach for not cooking you dinner; horribly wrong, in my view, but not evil.

for man to commit evil, he has to do something that is so entirely against the species, he is unable to be redeemed. hitler may have exterminated, and with his war also caused the death of, millions...but he also unified his country (which was poorly lacking in unification, and he did not want it to go back to being like the holy roman empire days) and was trying to further the species. while most of us would agree exterminating the homosexuals, slavs, blacks, jews, et. al. would not further the species, he truly believed it would.

evil is personal. as is "bad". but they are not the same.

(and for you people bitching about my satan is not real comment, im simply pointing out that satan is not a known thing. there are only theories as to him. whether you will admit it or not, satan is only a theory)
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Evil is the absence of Good.
The truth is always good. ( maybe? )

I'm just bored...
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Dang i got dissed. And I almost feel sorry about being somewhat of an ass. Ill try and be serious from now on, but I shall remain off topic for now, hooha! Allow me to give you the proper viewpoint and right terminology about theories though.

"[...] the fact that something is a theory, nothing whatsoever follows about its worthiness, or unworthiness, [...] depends, rather, on what kind of theory it is: for example, whether it is religious or scientific, whether it is amenable or immune to revision, and whether it is strongly or weakly confirmed* by the evidence offered in its support."- Norman Swartz

P.S. Vlad your the man! I was born in Transylvania, no joke. But, guess i sliped back into being an ass.
Posted 12/1/06
nice eros, thats pretty cool? wallachia?
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Huh, oh no upper right Transylvania in the Carpathian mountains in a small village.

Oh and do some more studying. If you don't know what virture theory is or Nietzsche's ideas on morality you don't deserve to be treated as havening a well informed opinion on morality and evil.
History: http://caae.phil.cmu.edu/Cavalier/80130/part1/Preface/PrefaceA.html
Ethics: http://www.iep.utm.edu/e/ethics.htm#SH2a
Nietzsche: http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/Nietzsche/genealogy1.htm

I dunno about your distinction between evil and wrongdoing. It is common to think of evil as suffering and wrongdoing.
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Micheal Jackson is the source of all evil.As is my younger brother,and monkeys.
Posted 12/1/06
hmm...i honestly dont like reading "big name" philosophers views on morality and evil, mainly because they are so...phylosophically bound. i mean, all things are, really. but they base very little on whats around, and almost everythign on what isnt, ive found. plato did that, sort of, in his views on the perfect govt, and that i like, but most of it i dont because i think philosophy, for the most part, is something one must come into on their own.

i honestly dont think anything on earth is really evil, that man does, and have speculations as to true evils, but im not certain about those. as to what is wrong...i find very little actually wrong. it may be morally wrong to me, but to someone else it isnt. the only truly "wrong" things, i think, are as mauz said, willful ignorance, as well as willful weakness. strength of body and mind (not necissarily physical lifting power, but being able to take the worlds beatins mentally, physically and emotionally), of will, are the most important things to me...to go against THOSE is wrong to me.

to most others, that isnt what matters. being kind to your fellow man is, or getting ahead in life, or whatever else.
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The point of reading those philosophers is to test your own philosophy against theirs
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English teachers are evil....spread the word
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