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Bush Outlaws War Protest - Citizens Face Full Asset Seizure!
Posted 7/23/07 , edited 7/23/07
legit?

( btw this is not me talking, this is a repost from one of my myspace bulletins )
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A law has been passed on July 17th 2007 proposed by George W. Bush which states that if you are caught protesting against the war in Iraq and are found guilty as a threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States the Treasury Department is authorized to seize your money, property, stocks, etc.

you can kiss that 1st and 5th amendment good bye now...

If that doesn't make your blood boil than you have become another slave robot.....
This administration of thieves and liars have done a great job at making us feel powerless, and most have the mindset of "what l am suppose to do about it". The first thing you can do is repost this to everyone you know out there who might not know. Because fact is, more than 90 percent of bills passed are not known and read by the public nor sometimes even by the politicians who pass these bills! Our so-called government wants us dumb and ignorant so that they can keep swindling us right under our noses - Education is the key in fighting that. The Internet is a powerful tool for attaining information, never before have we had this much access to useful information. So lets use it to its full potential and spread the info around!

Links:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070717-3.html
Posted 7/23/07
yeah, those links just take me to the home page.
Posted 7/23/07
I guess your the type who falls for the free ringtone links, and the chain letters about scary women with no noses that will kill you in the middle of the night if you don't repost in 1 minute.

Don't believe everything you hear on the myspace bulletins, and don't click on any strange links!
Posted 7/23/07
bloody 'ell you're right.

fixed.. sorry about that.

( and for the record, I'm stupid.. but not stupid enough to fall those spammers bulletins.
This was an actual post from a friend and wanted to see if anyone could shed some light on it. )

click on the link and it seems legit...

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Posted 7/24/07
Such an intelligent and useful post... Oh wait read your own link perhaps.
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Posted 7/24/07

orangemaen wrote:

Such an intelligent and useful post... Oh wait read your own link perhaps.


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Posted 7/24/07
*shrugs* Not sure if I believe that or not. Guess I'll just have to go protest and see what ol George W has cooked up.
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Posted 7/24/07

n0odle wrote:


orangemaen wrote:

Such an intelligent and useful post... Oh wait read your own link perhaps.


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Fuck this, I'll bite.


(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:

(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or

(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;


Where in this does it mention anything at all that pertains to non-violent protest against the war? To get pissed off by laws passed that will never have any effect on your life is childish. And don't anyone dare suggest the 'gradual decline of democracy' bullshit, because that was lost well before this and yet, you still re-elected the party responsible. You made your bed now lie in it.
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Posted 7/24/07
^ Well done! I noticed exactly the same fallacy! [just, please, no swearing!!!]

In your [thefinalword's] introduction the statement is;


...if you are caught protesting against the war in Iraq and are found guilty as a threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States...


This could be reduced to;


...if you are... found guilty as a threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States...


Then it appears perfectly legitimate, or at least more so. People are already being arrested on suspicion of being terrorists. This idea is nothing new, the only new part is the allowance of seizure.

Of course I consider this to be a bit OTT, why would a government need to withhold your personal property in light of you being a terrorist. They would do just as well to freeze it, it would have exactly the same effect, except that (if and when) the accused/culprit is freed their property can be restored to them and they can return to a considerably less harassing situation.

Actually, having re-read the bill there is nothing about seizure, they follow what I suggested above, which is common sense if they are proven to have been sponsoring terrorism;


...all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in


Yes, the link is legit... However the conclusions drawn from it are reading between the lines too much and introducing extra points which were never even implied in the first place.

N.B. Yes, I am against the war on principle, but I'm also against falsification of facts and fallacies of logic.
Posted 7/24/07
ugh finally the people who constantly whine and complain about everything are out of the way so he can wrap it as soon as possible. you people who constantly undermine Bush and his war only prolong it. the more trouble and doubt you cause, the more indecisive the Senate is and the slower the war is. jeezum crow, he shouldnt even have to suspend the 1rst and 4th, you guys should know to shut up and deal.
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skygod333 wrote:

ugh finally the people who constantly whine and complain about everything are out of the way so he can wrap it as soon as possible. you people who constantly undermine Bush and his war only prolong it. the more trouble and doubt you cause, the more indecisive the Senate is and the slower the war is. jeezum crow, he shouldnt even have to suspend the 1rst and 4th, you guys should know to shut up and deal.


sounds like someone has a case of the mondays (sips coffee) even though it's tuesday.
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Posted 7/24/07
I didn't see anything too extraordinary in there. I didn't see anything in there explicitly threatening non-violent assembly. Closest is right here:


undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;


This could be very open to interpretation, but isn't really worthy of chicken little running around screaming the sky is falling.

As best I can tell it's just there to cut out some of the red tape in dealing with the financial assets off terrorists and (genuine) supporters.


skygod333 ugh finally the people who constantly whine and complain about everything are out of the way so he can wrap it as soon as possible. you people who constantly undermine Bush and his war only prolong it. the more trouble and doubt you cause, the more indecisive the Senate is and the slower the war is. jeezum crow, he shouldnt even have to suspend the 1rst and 4th, you guys should know to shut up and deal.


I don't think you really understand the situation over there - it's not actually capable of ending. Unless we level the middle east and eradicate all life there (which sadly isn't going to happen), it will never be peaceful. At this point the best we can do is clean up our shit the best we can in Iraq, maybe leave with a bang to give it a "victory" spin, and call it a day.

What people don't seem to get is at this point it's not Iraq or even muslim terrorists we're fighting... it's full blown Jihad, and anyone wishing to fight under that banner is heaed to Iraq.

But that doesn't concern the Bush administration. The entire intent behind OIF is to provide a catalyst for overinflated defense contract spending and oil price fixing. The bush administration have been doing NOTHING but trying to make as money for their special interest groups as fast as they can while they're in office.

And as far as the world blaming us for electing him... I'm just going to say that both elections were rather questionable. But the tide finally seems to be turning.
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Posted 7/24/07
*sighs* *reading through link* *sounds like possible propaganda *
Sounds like a little propaganda to give more ammo to stamp on Bush. Considering that certain presidents have set precedent to make such actions. This does defy such historical writtings such as the 1st. But seriously the incopitant people who blame bush for everything need to shut the f*ck up I`m sick and tired of their bytchen. I mean after decades you`d think that their tireless shit should stop. They cant even think outside a box. Not even on one occasion do they act professional and speak with bush as a whole. Instead the rant with volatile actions towards the president. At least accuse Bush and his staff. Not the damn individual. Thx f*ckin hippies for making the government restrict our rights in times of war to a full extent. Oh if this were true it would be verbally recorded not typed on some unofficial website.
Posted 7/24/07
i agree with senbon. and azreal, jeezum crow, what in the name of God is wrong with you? questionable elections? the first one may have been controvertial but the supreme court voted and put him in so shut. on the second one, everyone worldwide should be sayin he won fair and square, he won it fairly both times so quit your bitchin. full blown Jihad my ass, if it were even remotely a jihad, there would be muslim troops marshalling under a religious leader. all it is is some wayward assholes still trying to reinstate a regime like Saddam's because they are still loyal to him. another thing, the Bush administration has not been doing nothing besides earning money for special interest groups, hes been working on things like tax issues, the democrats, the war and every other problem in the whole damn world because everyone shoves it on his desk. it is in fact capable of ending, if only we could weed out the extremists and the henchmen.
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Posted 7/24/07
let's see here.... cheney used to be on the board of directors for Halliburton. I wonder how they've been doing since OIF?



oh my, what a remarkable coincidence, their stock went from around 6 bucks a share to $37.24 (most recent quote).

let's take a look at the price of oil:

(above graph price of crude oil according to wall street journal)

notice anything funny happening over the last several years?

funny how this all happened when a president from big oil and a vice president from haliburton were in office. funny how when bush's father was in office he also made a b-line for iraq first opportunity it got.

btw, i've been to the middle east and am an OIF/OEF veteran. I've seen the obscene amount of money being spent over there (hell, i've written up many of the bills myself) and i've seen quite a bit of the nonsense that's been going on. sadly i signed a form saying i can't speak about anything of a classified nature for the next, oh, i think about 48 years now. feel free to check my profile pics.

take a look at the data and tell me with a straight face that it's all just a coincidence.
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