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Did Jesus Exist ?
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WHAT A THREAD

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cause I have to beleive in it since I'm a catholic..
and my family did force me..

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the anothing thing.. science is going me crazy
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magnus102 wrote:


Haine-Sama wrote:

WHAT A THREAD

50-50

cause I have to beleive in it since I'm a catholic..
and my family did force me..

......
the anothing thing.. science is going me crazy

You should not allow people to force you into a religion.




yah!! I know that one..
but I don't want my family..
would be hated me.. cause I didn't belive in god..
and besides... I got to follow the older ones....
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Yeah he exsist. I don't see how some people can think an explsion started the Earth, or Earth just poped into thin air, Jesus is the real deal.
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torchman123 wrote:

well since i am kinda catholic i say jesus did exist. and he was from Bethlehem so he aint european and black no one knows if he really had powers but he must be a man that did great things if many ppl worshiped him


so true. I think that is way more beleiveble than any theory a scientist made.
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Haine-Sama wrote:

WHAT A THREAD

50-50

cause I have to beleive in it since I'm a catholic..
and my family did force me..

......
the anothing thing.. science is going me crazy


so dose that mean you don't believe. because thats perfectly fine, they can't force you to believe. I'm christian, but I'm not about to force my religon on to someone I know dosen't beleive, I'll tell them once about it and let them decide, God gave us free will for a reason.
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Jesus did exit there are documents of this the Romans kept good records of who they crucified.
BUT! if he has the son of god or what ever religious stories are true is for another discussion
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Never knew the evidence of Jesus existence were so....non-existent. Not sure about Tacitus. That there wree messian followers in judea is obvious, there were Christians. Noone is doubting the existence of Christians. This does not mean Jesus existed. Seems to me Tacitus "heard" rather than anything else, but I would need the full quotation from Tacitus to know. If Tacitus is only describing Christians who seem to be following the words of some messiah, that would prove nothing. The shroud is obviously no evidence of anything. The scriptures sort of contradicts themselves, leaves things in the dark, and do not always quite fit, looking at it from a practical point of view.

It is not impossible that Jesus existed. That he was a miracleman is not the inadvertedly conclusion to that "maybe". However, for now I can assume that he might not exists. It is also another possibilty: a symbosis of different tales of Messiahs (we know there were people who claimed to be) incorporated into one, exaggerated, embroided, and even false. It is hardly impossible, especially when a religion starts being passed on only orally. That Jewish mythology was much based on "borrowed" tales is a fact easy to observe, like Noah and the book of Enoch. The oral tradition had a lot of influence, although the scholars were trying to be as strict as they could. One sentence in a letter to the city of Tyros, although obviously not directed as Satan, was said to be a reference to Satan being cast from the heavens. So strong did this belief become, that it would later be referred to as solid fact (book of Enoch, revelation of John...). We know the Jews were desperately waiting for their king. We know the scriptures went through editing. Is it impossible that they are a collection of stories from Messiahs? Or stories might have been of the author's invention. My point is: even if it was a Jesus, and even excluding the miracles and other divine stuff, it does not prove that he did all he is said to have done. There might be fiction and/or "poetic licence" and/or "stolen" stories involved.
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Muslims believe that he is still alive and he is outside this world time...and the Second Coming of The Christ will be at time when Ad-Dajjal gets released from his chains around (Armageddon Battle propelly) and he will kill Ad-Dajjal at that time and it will be like a final battle between Islam and Jew....After all of that Jesus will rule for almost 40 years and then he will die.
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long story ..
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there's a possibility that he is not real and just a idealistic concept personifying a belief or something during the ancient times.

edit: there's also a possibility he is real.

the weird thing is, people are questioning his existence but seems don't find a proof to disprove his existence
and people who believe him has wide range of proofs.
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jan98x: you how to prove that something is, not that something is not. That would just be bizarre. If I am to apply for a job, I have to prove what I have done, my potential employers would not have to prove what I have not done. Thta would be ridicolous. If I come up with a scientific theory you will have to prove it, it is not for everyone else to disprove it if you can not come up with proof. And we are discussing the validity of the proof that Jesus existed. Something is not proof because you call it so. It has to be established as proof. Otherwise I could just say I'd seen a UFO yesterday, and everyone would have to believe me, because they would have to accept it as proof because it was named so. In conclusion: people usually don't disprove what haven't been proven, unless they feel like it, and it is not a sceientific obligation. There is nothing weird going on.
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I'm horribly amused by the number of people who came on and posted without bothering to read the OP. Its a very interesting article, really. And a lot of the proof people are mentioning now have been addressed in the OP.

I think the bottom line of that was that it is impossible to find proof for a person named Jesus existing. Its hard to actually compete with well thought out scholarly evidence without putting in a great deal of thought and I'm agnostic to begin with so whether a Jesus really existed hardly concerns me. Its really a question that we cannot answer now unless someone made a time machine and went back to find physical evidence of Jesus. Quite useless to debate just with one side going "its common knowledge" and the other going "there's no evidence".

I think it does prove one thing I've always believed though: Just because everybody else thinks something is true doesn't make it so. Its always important to question.
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umm... yeah. In historic accounts, they believe that Jesus was in fact real. Historians have been able to track their roots back to the times of ancient rome, and find scrolls and documents containing fact files of Jesus. However, no one knows if he really did have powers. If you are a Christian (and i mean all catholic, orthodox, protestant, and other Christian roots) you will/would believe he did so.
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magnus102 wrote:


I know its starting to annoy me that they bring up proof that he basically refuted already.


Well let me help you.


shootemup wrote:

umm... yeah. In historic accounts, they believe that Jesus was in fact real. Historians have been able to track their roots back to the times of ancient rome, and find scrolls and documents containing fact files of Jesus. However, no one knows if he really did have powers. If you are a Christian (and i mean all catholic, orthodox, protestant, and other Christian roots) you will/would believe he did so.


Read the OP please. It actually does make a point.


magnus102 wrote:

random sarcasm


I believe shibole was being sarcastic though. No use being sarcastic to people who are sarcastic.
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