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THEY ARE NOT REAL MUSLIMS A.K.A. "The No True Scotsman Fallacy"
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being extremist as to what?
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i find your view quite interesting, and in short i agree: being the same is not being alike.
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Are the jews slaughtering palestians real jews? Are the christians pretending to have the power of God healing peoples sickness by touching them real christians. Are we going to be this simple minded? Is this the type of mentality the world has finally reached?

Ugh I dont know why I even typed on this thread but man people in this world amaze me.
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magnus102 wrote:


OptimusGatts wrote:

being extremist as to what?


You know when peopel try to say bombers etc are not real muslims or whatever. Its annoys the fuck otu of me.


Well, you are right. There is no denying that they are real muslims as to the fact that they are muslim. And that is viewing the fact that they don't eat pork and worship allah and so on and so forth. As to them being "real" muslims is a subjective point of view. From the "terrorist" or radical point of view they are the most real, they are "keeping it real" as some would say. In their eyes they are defending the nation of Islam from western tyranny, hipocracy and despotism. However, they are, despite what they think, radicals. The more moderate muslims would denounce them as not being "real" muslims. They are not "keeping it real". Muslims are known to be much like any other people on the planet. They want peace and prosperity for all. They want to keep to their faith and pray 5 times a day and so on. They want to live a normal life. These more moderate muslims feel that bombings and guerilla warfare are not the answers to their problems and that diplomacy should rule the day.


So the definition of real is the big question here.

Is it:
A) There's a panda that's a real panda.
B) He's eating berrys and not bamboo, he's not a real panda
C) He only eats bamboo, he's not a real panda/that's a real panda, not like that berry eating one.

(Questions are quite far fetched but use your imagination and stereotypes a little)

I think what your looking for here is whether or not you choose see the situation in black and white or in shades of grey. In your case I believe you see black and white. In my case I would not classify terrorists as "real" muslims. I know muslim people and trust me, they are nothing like on the news.
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Well to me people are just people and I agree that there are no true anything, there are only humans with their infinite flaws and weaknesses trying to hide behind labels.
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Lol not nearly as much do even know how many palenstinians die every day this has been going on for 60 years thats as much to me. Lol I am done with this thread you guys we cant be this simple minded seriously.
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Wow!!
Another muslim bashing thread.

*shakes head in shame*
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Posted 2/27/08 , edited 4/18/08

magnus102 wrote:


OptimusGatts wrote:



Well, you are right. There is no denying that they are real muslims as to the fact that they are muslim. And that is viewing the fact that they don't eat pork and worship allah and so on and so forth. As to them being "real" muslims is a subjective point of view. From the "terrorist" or radical point of view they are the most real, they are "keeping it real" as some would say. In their eyes they are defending the nation of Islam from western tyranny, hipocracy and despotism. However, they are, despite what they think, radicals. The more moderate muslims would denounce them as not being "real" muslims. These more moderate muslims feel that bombings and guerilla warfare are not the answers to their problems and that diplomacy should rule the day.


So the definition of real is the big question here.

Is it:
A) There's a panda that's a real panda.
B) He's eating berrys and not bamboo, he's not a real panda
C) He only eats bamboo, he's not a real panda/that's a real panda, not like that berry eating one.

(Questions are quite far fetched but use your imagination and stereotypes a little)

I think what your looking for here is whether or not you choose see the situation in black and white or in shades of grey. In your case I believe you see black and white. In my case I would not classify terrorists as "real" muslims. I know muslim people and trust me, they are nothing like on the news.


You admit they are muslims. Good.


They are not "keeping it real

Prove they are not the ones keeping it real and the muslims you know are.


Muslims are known to be much like any other people on the planet.
You could say that about anyone even Hitler.

They want peace and prosperity for all.

Not all of them do. Prove they all do to me.

They want to keep to their faith and pray 5 times a day and so on.
Irrelevent

They want to live a normal life.

For a Nazi killing jews was normal.



These more moderate muslims feel that bombings and guerilla warfare are not the answers to their problems and that diplomacy should rule the day.

The problem is not all Muslims feel that way.



So you are of the A persuasion. Then yes they are real muslims.
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Magnus102 again, sigh, why am i not surprised.
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You've just copied and pasted basically the entire article onto CR and what of it? I don't see anything for discussion. What are you wanting people to reply to here?
Ok so I've read the article but so what? What I'm I supposed to be discussing next?
At least make your first post a little clearer please.
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Nah, it depends on the specific context.
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magnus102 wrote:


OptimusGatts wrote:

being extremist as to what?


You know when people try to say bombers etc are not real muslims or whatever. Its annoys the fuck out of me.


Your reason for making these forum topic also annoyed me too and make it pointless to continue a sensible discussion with you.
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magnus102 wrote:


OptimusGatts wrote:

being extremist as to what?


You know when people try to say bombers etc are not real muslims or whatever. Its annoys the fuck out of me.


what bombers? what are you talking about man?
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Yes I agree with u .I'm annoyed with it too.Only Allah knows what's the inside of hearts.(from Quran).It condems it also.

Force is the main way in getting what u what in politics as were always Iraq Afganistan Palastine etc. They just talk about peace equal rights and so on. Against it u can only fight.
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