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THEY ARE NOT REAL MUSLIMS A.K.A. "The No True Scotsman Fallacy"
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some people are bad and some good regardless of religion
but unfortunately bad people seem to kill for religion, thinking god is happy with that
umm,,,yeh riiiiiiiiiiiiiight
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hezakkkk wrote:


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being extremist as to what?


You know when people try to say bombers etc are not real muslims or whatever. Its annoys the fuck out of me.


what bombers? what are you talking about man?


muslim terroists, didnt you know about them?
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as an ex muslim i know alllllllllllllllll about the talk of 'Oh they are not 'real' muslims them terroists'
the best thing i did in my life was give up religion
i dont think islam opresses women, women opress themselves unfortunately, believing god wants them to dress like ghosts in dark sheets and be hot and sweating in the summer.
trust me, my mates were more than happy to dress in full niqaab '(face veil) even in the hot sun...
i was happy to do this 'for' god for such a long time, then i realised...im sweating like a pig in this sun while muslim men prance about with their hair out....
that made ma a right mug
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I think it's a valid argument when trying to set yourself apart from people who have extreme views that people may try to associate you with.
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All religions/comments/etc can be used by people to manipulate, which is the reason why you get "true" scotsmen and the "false" scotsmen.

Who is to judge which is true and which is false? Basically everyone, as long as they had all the information.

This never happens because people are just too lazy (aka its "too time consuming") to learn all the necessary facts, which leads to people who want personal gains (money, power, sex, revenge, whatever) telling people their interpretion of the religion/event/country/etc and quoting scripture/history/news/etc out of context to support their intepretions.

Examples for religions include "hookers for jesus" (in the US), people saying that they are the voice of the prophet (in Malaysia the teapot cult i think), people manipulating photos to make others think they are a holy man or buddha (in Taiwan). There likely exists examples for each religion.

So i would say that there *is* such a thing as a true XYZ, but each side will of course say that they are the true XYZ. Remove ignorance and the real XYZ will show itself
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mm.. That's deep. but a true crunchyroll member would know better.
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Let me try and lay something out for you.

They are Muslim. Fact.

Being Muslim is not the sole reason extremist terrorists do what they do, and the purpose Islam serves in this context could quite easily be replaced by another religious/non-religious incentive. Fact.

Do you understand?
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And Pakistan used to be a part of India... really... its true... a LOOONG time ago. Even I didn't know that. But then again... Britain was the one that was over colonising at the time.
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DKangN3 wrote:
Being Muslim is not the sole reason extremist terrorists do what they do, and the purpose Islam serves in this context could quite easily be replaced by another religious/non-religious incentive. Fact.

Yes, but some religions are much easier to use to manipulate people into fighting than others. Islam has a strong concept of Jihad, martyrdom, and 72 virgins. There's also the lack of a pope-like figure to control declaration of Jihad, so you get all kinds of random-ass people out there claiming to be scholars, issuing fatwahs of Jihad.

BTW,

Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7264903.stm


Darknile wrote:
And Pakistan used to be a part of India... really... its true... a LOOONG time ago. Even I didn't know that. But then again... Britain was the one that was over colonising at the time.

Did you know that Bangladesh also used to be "West Pakistan"? It didn't work too well seeing as how it isn't physically connected to Pakistan.
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magnus102 wrote:


hezakkkk wrote:


magnus102 wrote:


OptimusGatts wrote:

being extremist as to what?


You know when people try to say bombers etc are not real muslims or whatever. Its annoys the fuck out of me.


what bombers? what are you talking about man?

Islamic terrorists duh!


Like who? What? Where?
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shibole wrote:


DKangN3 wrote:
Being Muslim is not the sole reason extremist terrorists do what they do, and the purpose Islam serves in this context could quite easily be replaced by another religious/non-religious incentive. Fact.

Yes, but some religions are much easier to use to manipulate people into fighting than others. Islam has a strong concept of Jihad, martyrdom, and 72 virgins. There's also the lack of a pope-like figure to control declaration of Jihad, so you get all kinds of random-ass people out there claiming to be scholars, issuing fatwahs of Jihad.

BTW,

Turkey in radical revision of Islamic texts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7264903.stm


Darknile wrote:
And Pakistan used to be a part of India... really... its true... a LOOONG time ago. Even I didn't know that. But then again... Britain was the one that was over colonising at the time.

Did you know that Bangladesh also used to be "West Pakistan"? It didn't work too well seeing as how it isn't physically connected to Pakistan.


Nice link on the Turkey religious reform thing too. Its good to see some trying to adapt their beliefs into the current global society, only problem is how many will accept it?
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Darknile wrote:
Nice link on the Turkey religious reform thing too. Its good to see some trying to adapt their beliefs into the current global society, only problem is how many will accept it?

Yea, that's what I'm wondering about. I guess it depends on what they come up with.

Really all those Hadith could come from "satan" for all anyone knows, so throwing a bunch of them out shouldn't really be such a big problem.

But this guy is crazy: http://www.reformislam.org/verses.php
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/Sigh this post fails, once i gain i have to feel ashamed for the out right stupidity of some of the western population to which i belong.

What point are you trying to make exactly ? That islamic terrorists are still technically muslims ? well nice brain wave there Einstein.

Or are you trying to find a backwards way to voice your idiotic feeling that all Muslims should be held responsible the violent action of a tiny minority because there religious dogma can be manipulated to insight it ?

If so i await your follow up post condemning jews and christians for the many innocent people killed as a result the distorted interpretations of their religious dogma.

Ironically the government and media response to acts of terrorism (which btw pose less risk to the average person than, road crossings, wandering animals, and swimming pools) has created more fear and insecurity in the west than any cave dwelling extremist could have imagined in his wildest dreams. As a result we are stuck with small minded Muslim bashing nobodies whose irrational insecurities and prejudices compel them to voice there un-educated opinions as fact thus continuing the ever worsening spiral of stupidity.
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I seriously dont get it when some one says Islam Extremist. Who are you guys talking about? What country, where? what did they do? I seriously am lost ....
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Hezakkkk Try to google the following countries with bombings (i,e Pakistan+bombings), India, Ethiopia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand, Spain, London train. Germany, Iraq....Other keywords, if you're still so ignorant to this, you must be in a very heavily censored country.
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Darknile wrote:

Hezakkkk Try to google the following countries with bombings (i,e Pakistan+bombings), India, Ethiopia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand, Spain, London train. Germany, Iraq....Other keywords, if you're still so ignorant to this, you must be in a very heavily censored country.


i did what you said. Some news sites came up, saying a bombs exploded, and it must have been Islamic Extremist. Most of them no proof. Like Afghanistan and Iraq, there was no bombs going off when it was not invaded. However, now that it is invaded, bombs keep going up, killing innocent people. So the invaders are justified in staying, because the situation is "Not Stable". I also remember seeing a article, about 2 British soldiers in Iraq being detained, because they were trying to set up a bomb in Iraq, in populated places.

Are disagreement is who are doing these bombs. You think some crazy person that has Islam as his fate, I think its the crazy invaders doing so, because they want to stay there.

I also see Iraq Being invaded, for a fake war. it was because of "Weapons of Mass Destruction", however we all know there was none. The people who started the war are the "Extremist". I would much rather see the real people behind the death of thousands of people being called Extremist, rather some made up fairy tale by the media.

Suicide is the single worse sin you can do in Islam. If one was a Muslim Extremist, then he/she would not suicide no mater what, because he/she follows Islam so devotedly that it seems extreme, am I not right?

What a coincident, that the same people who advertised about going to War in Iraq, are the same people who are saying there are "Islamic Extremist". I turned off my TV a long time ago buddy ....
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