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Are you in for Naturally Aspirated or Forced Induction?
Posted 9/9/08
lol why do people bash on n/a??

well for like 90% of N/A owners bash on forced induction

because they dont have it -_-

or cant afford it.

thats blunt truth for most part.

now for the other 10%

there are others who have had bad experience with turbos or some people out there just like to prove n/a power
is still out there or who knows what reason.

and turbo's dont make people lazy, yeah having a stock turbo on a car and not doing anything to it while being faster than most n/a cars ok but thats not being lazy. turbo is as technical as n/a sometimes more sometimes less.


i respect both, i drive a evo 10, and i drive a srt4 before so I am a turbo fan
but I highly respect n/a vehicles especially mucle cars.

but yeah dont bash on turbos man thats retarded
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Posted 9/10/08

koreanguyjason wrote:

lol why do people bash on n/a??
well for like 90% of N/A owners bash on forced induction
because they dont have it -_-
or cant afford it.
thats blunt truth for most part.
now for the other 10%
there are others who have had bad experience with turbos or some people out there just like to prove n/a power
is still out there or who knows what reason.
and turbo's dont make people lazy, yeah having a stock turbo on a car and not doing anything to it while being faster than most n/a cars ok but thats not being lazy. turbo is as technical as n/a sometimes more sometimes less.
i respect both, i drive a evo 10, and i drive a srt4 before so I am a turbo fan
but I highly respect n/a vehicles especially mucle cars.
but yeah dont bash on turbos man thats retarded


what? ive never heard people bash on n/a.
N/A V8 > V6 or Inline-6 TT
and with superchargers they suck and are heavy, except the only one worth getting, the cetrifrugal STC but again, it needs power to make power. which brings me to my next point of turbo'd cars which need boost to make more power (from the turbo) but once again the engine block is limited to what pressure it can handle.. Preference wise, I prefer supercharger, but i also like N/A, I think turbo is so played out. (not hating)
Posted 9/11/08 , edited 9/11/08
haha turbo has been around for a long time, and its been constantly improving lots of people believe turbo is at its peak and everyone who has a turbo or turbos there car is "FINISHED" hence people say its cheap, but its only a start and much more tuning needed.

like you said engine block is limited, like my evo or all evo's and wrx imprezas or sti's are limited to a 2.0 engine
because of rally sport, but you got to admit from coming from a muscle car guy all that power coming from
an engine as small as a milk carton is pretty impressive.

but yeah like i said i respect both and personally I like both,
if i can choose one muscle car I would pick what my dad drove a 87-93 mustang GT fastback.
cheap fast and fun.

someday i wanna own one.
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Posted 9/12/08
NA all da way......
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Posted 9/12/08
we have an old Landrover thats naturally aspirated, its not the most powerful thing in the world lol whether we're late somewhere or not, depends on which way the wind is going haha
and our Nissan 200sx is a turbo, so im guessing thats forced induction, i cant remember what our otheres are, but obviously the nissan is powerful so i think whether you choose naturally aspirated or forced induction depends on what kinda power and speed you want.
and yes i am aware that both cars in my example are totally different so im not sure how valid my arguement is hahaha
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Posted 9/13/08 , edited 9/13/08
Limiting yourself to N/A is kinda like reaching over your shoulders to scratch your balls. The point I will try to make below is "why stuff your cups with tissue when you can install silicone bolt-ons for a better pair of performance?"


So for the "all motor" travelers, UNLESS you cut no corners through the Naturally Aspirated, and willing to spend rediculous $$$ re-engineering every peripheral of the motor, your not going to wet yourself to the degree of Forced Induction. A proper NA build require serious headwork, flowbenching, stroking/boring, shaving and milling mass everywhere, scary compression, countless hours of motor surgery and dyno time tinkering software for every last couple of horses.... (and worse, trying to make faster NA motors is more speculation because tons of limiting factors. This tends to happen when fighting the earths atmosphere with a physically limited static compression)

An FI setup even at an economical budget will walk over N/A's hard earned effort. FI power bands are completly flexible. All you need to read is a compressor map against engines flow, then choose any trim turbo for the foundation. Power output is ONLY limited by the blocks tolerance, heat and fuel delivery. Since turbos create a controllable *dynamic compression, you dont even need to crack the motor open to achieve what N/A strives so hard for. A reasonable N/A setup will at most see 13:1 on pump gas before self destructing.......FI dynamic compression exceeds 30:1 with room to spare. Compression is the starting point to making power, and does not actually require bigger displacement motors or super crank speeds like NA.

That being said, the general desire in a car is performance. And when the performance can be manipulated in so many directions, forced induction clearly wins the round.

Obviously this is my opinion having owned and worked on both worlds.

BTW, a popular 4 banger motor with intake, header, fartpipe, pullies, a thin headgasket, no AC, fancy fuel rail, and platinum plugs does not qualify "all-motor" I offer those an "E" for effort though....no harm in hobbyism.

I realize I just typed too much jibberish for a subject tough to categorize........ especially on a forum dedicated to anime freaks




Posted 9/13/08

koreanguyjason wrote:

haha turbo has been around for a long time, and its been constantly improving lots of people believe turbo is at its peak and everyone who has a turbo or turbos there car is "FINISHED" hence people say its cheap, but its only a start and much more tuning needed.

like you said engine block is limited, like my evo or all evo's and wrx imprezas or sti's are limited to a 2.0 engine
because of rally sport, but you got to admit from coming from a muscle car guy all that power coming from
an engine as small as a milk carton is pretty impressive.

but yeah like i said i respect both and personally I like both,
if i can choose one muscle car I would pick what my dad drove a 87-93 mustang GT fastback.
cheap fast and fun.

someday i wanna own one.


what are you talking about? alot of the USDM Impreza/WRX including the new STi are 2.5L.. yah its not alot of power either, its just an inline-4 (evo) or boxster engine (subaru) and they're made for traction and control to compete on windy(pron. -whined) roads not for drag strips and straight aways. Also, how is a heavy ass V6 with a 3800cc engine cheap.. it also had like 145hp, soft top roof and was FWD.
Posted 9/13/08 , edited 9/13/08

kmk0228 wrote:

Limiting yourself to N/A is kinda like reaching over your shoulders to scratch your balls. The point I will try to make below is "why stuff your cups with tissue when you can install silicone bolt-ons for a better pair of performance?"

So for the "all motor" travelers, UNLESS you cut no corners through the Naturally Aspirated, and willing to spend rediculous $$$ re-engineering every peripheral of the motor, your not going to wet yourself to the degree of Forced Induction. A proper NA build require serious headwork, flowbenching, stroking/boring, shaving and milling mass everywhere, scary compression, countless hours of motor surgery and dyno time tinkering software for every last couple of horses.... (and worse, trying to make faster NA motors is more speculation because tons of limiting factors. This tends to happen when fighting the earths atmosphere with a physically limited static compression)

An FI setup even at an economical budget will walk over N/A's hard earned effort. FI power bands are completly flexible. All you need to read is a compressor map against engines flow, then choose any trim turbo for the foundation. Power output is ONLY limited by the blocks tolerance, heat and fuel delivery. Since turbos create a controllable *dynamic compression, you dont even need to crack the motor open to achieve what N/A strives so hard for. A reasonable N/A setup will at most see 13:1 on pump gas before self destructing.......FI dynamic compression exceeds 30:1 with room to spare. Compression is the starting point to making power, and does not actually require bigger displacement motors or super crank speeds like NA.

That being said, the general desire in a car is performance. And when the performance can be manipulated in so many directions, forced induction clearly wins the round.

Obviously this is my opinion having owned and worked on both worlds.

BTW, a popular 4 banger motor with intake, header, fartpipe, pullies, a thin headgasket, no AC, fancy fuel rail, and platinum plugs does not qualify "all-motor" I offer those an "E" for effort though....no harm in hobbyism.

I realize I just typed too much jibberish for a subject tough to categorize........ especially on a forum dedicated to anime freaks



first off.. im still trying to reach my balls using your 'over the shoulder' technique.. not working! anyways, nobody said it was for performence, he merely implied it to be preference. Eg. you like men. You may not be able to make a baby, but does that make it right to criticize? answer- No! (unless you're god but you don't know if he exists and if you do critisize you're saying you are better than a/the God(s) which is blasphemy.)
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Posted 9/13/08 , edited 9/13/08

nobody said it was for performence, he merely implied it to be preference.Eg. you like men. You may not be able to make a baby, but does that make it right to criticize? answer- No! (unless you're god but you don't know if he exists and if you do critisize you're saying you are better than a/the Gods which is blasphemy.)


Yea I realize that now as I read the title again.. but seems majority of responses base preference in relation to the performance.

Im obviously not implying I am better than god...kinda random and funny remark, Im simply saying turbo has numerous advatages that dominate N/A motors when performance. And I guess you could say it was god who "created" the circumstances leading to a free-willed opinion over N/A huggers. Criticism is a process in life, without it, people would keep doing, acting and believing misinformation or have a opinion with no reason.....until someones critical remark maybe helps plant new ideas.

If someone said "turbo's are played out", and no one discredited that reply as boneheaded, some other bonehead might read it and create the same belief wherever he goes. Someone else throws their opposing reply, now the discussion allows participants to choose which ideas fit and dont fit themself. I see no blasphemy in that.


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Posted 9/13/08 , edited 9/13/08

kmk0228 wrote:


nobody said it was for performence, he merely implied it to be preference.Eg. you like men. You may not be able to make a baby, but does that make it right to criticize? answer- No! (unless you're god but you don't know if he exists and if you do critisize you're saying you are better than a/the Gods which is blasphemy.)


Yea I realize that now as I read the title again.. but seems majority of responses base preference in relation to the performance.

Im obviously not implying I am better than god...kinda random and funny remark, Im simply saying turbo has numerous advatages that dominate N/A motors when performance. And I guess you could say it was god who "created" the circumstances leading to a free-willed opinion over N/A huggers. Criticism is a process in life, without it, people would keep doing, acting and believing misinformation or have a opinion with no reason.....until someones critical remark maybe helps plant new ideas.

If someone said "turbo's are played out", and no one discredited that reply as boneheaded, some other bonehead might read it and create the same belief wherever he goes. Someone else throws their opposing reply, now the discussion allows participants to choose which ideas fit and dont fit themself. I see no blasphemy in that.




Your arguement totatly fails because you are only looking at 4 cylinders. Your eyes arent even open to the other motor setups. V8 NA motors have been deep into the 10s on numerous occasions. Performance modification is difference from person to person. There are many variables in to situation and you cannot say that one type of setup is better that the other. Sure in the smaller displacement motors you will need FI but not so much in larger displacement engines. Its all personal preference also. Power is made differently between the two and so it should be divided accordingly. Performance is not necessaryly about making power but maximizing power in your particular setup.
Posted 9/13/08

kmk0228 wrote:


nobody said it was for performence, he merely implied it to be preference.Eg. you like men. You may not be able to make a baby, but does that make it right to criticize? answer- No! (unless you're god but you don't know if he exists and if you do critisize you're saying you are better than a/the Gods which is blasphemy.)


Yea I realize that now as I read the title again.. but seems majority of responses base preference in relation to the performance.

Im obviously not implying I am better than god...kinda random and funny remark, Im simply saying turbo has numerous advatages that dominate N/A motors when performance. And I guess you could say it was god who "created" the circumstances leading to a free-willed opinion over N/A huggers. Criticism is a process in life, without it, people would keep doing, acting and believing misinformation or have a opinion with no reason.....until someones critical remark maybe helps plant new ideas.

If someone said "turbo's are played out", and no one discredited that reply as boneheaded, some other bonehead might read it and create the same belief wherever he goes. Someone else throws their opposing reply, now the discussion allows participants to choose which ideas fit and dont fit themself. I see no blasphemy in that.




How about you compare a naturally aspirated V8 to a 4 or 6 cylinder either V or inline engine that has forced induction. Do you think a Supercharged Mini Cooper is going to beat a muscle car? how about an evo or sti, will they compete with a muscle car?

Face it, you are only doing a bias comparision, do you think you can get the same power output from a smaller block like lets say the old Ford GT engine which was 5.4L V8 to an inline-4 on the 4G63 or 4B11, STi boxter engine? you are saying that they could effectively have more horsepower/torque than the Modular V8? Its not just about output, the block itself is able to withstand more heat and pressure.
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Posted 9/13/08
I got tired of reading the what's better and what's not so here is my .02 cent.....

N/A or FI route should be determined by what you are building the car for (street, drag, autocross, road course, etc.)??? What kind of power level are you looking to get? The area under the curve is WAY MORE IMPORTANT than where the curve peak out at.
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Posted 9/13/08 , edited 9/13/08

GreekCotan wrote:

How about you compare a naturally aspirated V8 to a 4 or 6 cylinder either V or inline engine that has forced induction. Do you think a Supercharged Mini Cooper is going to beat a muscle car? how about an evo or sti, will they compete with a muscle car?



I do see your point here, you are leaving yourself to too many variables. Who beat who all depend on what kind of racing is involved. A Supercharged Mini Cooper will highly beat a muscle car in autocrossing, it is very dominant in its class.

Again...too many variables are not being taken into consideration. Any kind of cars will stack up to each other, it is all dependent on how deep your pocket is. In the world of automotive tuning, you can go as far as you can dream with limitless budget.
Posted 9/14/08
lol this discussion is like flamers thread.


both are awesome performance, both can go fast, and both require work.

one can beat the other depending on the ammount of work, who cares.
muscle cars, tuner cars, na or force induction, its the ammount of work you put in,
"if you know what your doing" and then its also the "Driver"

a person who doesnt know how to drive can lose regardless, all in all its the work and the driver.

be nice guys
Posted 9/14/08

highoctaneKA wrote:


GreekCotan wrote:

How about you compare a naturally aspirated V8 to a 4 or 6 cylinder either V or inline engine that has forced induction. Do you think a Supercharged Mini Cooper is going to beat a muscle car? how about an evo or sti, will they compete with a muscle car?



I do see your point here, you are leaving yourself to too many variables. Who beat who all depend on what kind of racing is involved. A Supercharged Mini Cooper will highly beat a muscle car in autocrossing, it is very dominant in its class.

Again...too many variables are not being taken into consideration. Any kind of cars will stack up to each other, it is all dependent on how deep your pocket is. In the world of automotive tuning, you can go as far as you can dream with limitless budget.


lol well actually there is a limit and its the engine bay size. Not every car could fit in any engine size but yeah, also I was refering to the endurance the various engine blocks have and how the V8 is less likely to detonate with high horsepower compared to the 4 or 6 cylinder engine with Forced Induction.
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