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Are you in for Naturally Aspirated or Forced Induction?
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Posted 6/17/08 , edited 6/17/08

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Atomsksky wrote:

forced induction... BUT SUPER CHARGE IT! Turbo charge has more flaws such as lag, build up time and (in my opinion) super charged sound better that any turboed car EVER will.


Turbos have no flaws. If you want no lag get a twin or bi turbo setup. Turbos have better top end power and they improve on gas mileage. Turbos make noise when in the power band and using high psi. Superchargers you have to hear that thing no matter how high the rpm are. Superchargers are for the simpler minded (bolt it to the intake and get a longer belt). Who really needs power at 2000rpm anyways besides casual driving. Why do you think turbos are used more in production cars?


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


Ive seen plenty and know plenty that last a long time.

Larger turbos on a factory turbo cars also improves fuel consumption. Your just getting it mixed up between open loop and closed. On a NA car that was turbo'ed you will see a slight loss in fuel mileage but thats a given as its seeing more airflow.
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Posted 6/17/08

revolutionofone wrote:

Turbo! 2JZ FTW!


Haha. Good and funny picture bro.

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Posted 6/17/08

MastaMike wrote:


veyron1001 wrote:


Atomsksky wrote:

forced induction... BUT SUPER CHARGE IT! Turbo charge has more flaws such as lag, build up time and (in my opinion) super charged sound better that any turboed car EVER will.


Turbos have no flaws. If you want no lag get a twin or bi turbo setup. Turbos have better top end power and they improve on gas mileage. Turbos make noise when in the power band and using high psi. Superchargers you have to hear that thing no matter how high the rpm are. Superchargers are for the simpler minded (bolt it to the intake and get a longer belt). Who really needs power at 2000rpm anyways besides casual driving. Why do you think turbos are used more in production cars?


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


well... i don't think most engine will last many years if you race every single week... :)

and yes, there is a purpose to put turbo on engine for road car. for example, cars in japan are tax based on displacement of the engine. k-car has small displacement (600cc or something like that) and make better hp with turbo. it would be more practical to drive a car with enough hp to keep up with the speed limit.

a well tuned and maintained turbo engine can last quite a while. some people didn't have a proper tune with their bolt-on turbo engine and/or rev to redline every time they drive and it blow up in a month(even week).
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Posted 6/17/08

MastaMike wrote:


veyron1001 wrote:


Atomsksky wrote:

forced induction... BUT SUPER CHARGE IT! Turbo charge has more flaws such as lag, build up time and (in my opinion) super charged sound better that any turboed car EVER will.


Turbos have no flaws. If you want no lag get a twin or bi turbo setup. Turbos have better top end power and they improve on gas mileage. Turbos make noise when in the power band and using high psi. Superchargers you have to hear that thing no matter how high the rpm are. Superchargers are for the simpler minded (bolt it to the intake and get a longer belt). Who really needs power at 2000rpm anyways besides casual driving. Why do you think turbos are used more in production cars?


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


Turbos give a car a lot more torque through out the range of the rpms which gives better fuel economy. You need to get out of the 30psi with massive turbo mentality. It also reduces the need for extra displacement to make the same power.
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Posted 6/17/08

MastaMike wrote:


veyron1001 wrote:


Atomsksky wrote:

forced induction... BUT SUPER CHARGE IT! Turbo charge has more flaws such as lag, build up time and (in my opinion) super charged sound better that any turboed car EVER will.


Turbos have no flaws. If you want no lag get a twin or bi turbo setup. Turbos have better top end power and they improve on gas mileage. Turbos make noise when in the power band and using high psi. Superchargers you have to hear that thing no matter how high the rpm are. Superchargers are for the simpler minded (bolt it to the intake and get a longer belt). Who really needs power at 2000rpm anyways besides casual driving. Why do you think turbos are used more in production cars?


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


which is why super charged is better
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Posted 6/18/08

MastaMike wrote:


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


Haha..You also know Superchargers are almost exactly the same as you described too right? Harsh on an engine. requires more fuel....But you also have to understand that an engine equipped with a supercharger or turbocharger from the factory are built differently than your normal NA car. They are almost always built stronger than a normal NA would.

Why put a turbo on a car if your not going to race? So I guess turbos on truck are also useless. as well as turbos in high altitudes also? You have no true arguments here. Hell lag is no longer an arguement....ever heard of a varible A/R hotside? They've been around for 15+ odd years...
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MastaMike wrote:


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


Haha..You also know Superchargers are almost exactly the same as you described too right? Harsh on an engine. requires more fuel....But you also have to understand that an engine equipped with a supercharger or turbocharger from the factory are built differently than your normal NA car. They are almost always built stronger than a normal NA would.

Why put a turbo on a car if your not going to race? So I guess turbos on truck are also useless. as well as turbos in high altitudes also? You have no true arguments here. Hell lag is no longer an arguement....ever heard of a varible A/R hotside? They've been around for 15+ odd years...


I was referring to NA street cars with after market turbos not turbo diesel semi trucks...
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Posted 6/18/08

MastaMike wrote:


lasthope05 wrote:


MastaMike wrote:


lol... what!!!

seriously though when installing an after market turbo it will be critical to have to have higher fuel flow. Otherwise you'll be running "lean" having too much air and very little fuel, making it uneven may fry the pistons.

Turbo lag can be eliminated with a smaller turbo, bigger turbos takes time to spool due to the size of the turbine spooling during low revs.

Other than than that whats the point of having turbo when your not gonna race, manufacturers only put turbo on their cars to have better numbers on the dyno graphs. Turbo is very harsh to the engine, I've never heard of a car with an after market turbo raced every week last for more than two years...


Haha..You also know Superchargers are almost exactly the same as you described too right? Harsh on an engine. requires more fuel....But you also have to understand that an engine equipped with a supercharger or turbocharger from the factory are built differently than your normal NA car. They are almost always built stronger than a normal NA would.

Why put a turbo on a car if your not going to race? So I guess turbos on truck are also useless. as well as turbos in high altitudes also? You have no true arguments here. Hell lag is no longer an arguement....ever heard of a varible A/R hotside? They've been around for 15+ odd years...


I was referring to NA street cars with after market turbos not turbo diesel semi trucks...


as i said before, other countries tax people's car based on engine displacement. smaller it is the less you pay. turbo boost hp without increase the displacement so it is a way to go for them.
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Turbocharging can increase fuel mileage. One of the biggest talks is that Ferrari's upcoming supercar might be a twin turbo V8 like the older F40 because of harsher emmision standards that they will not be able to meet with a V12 in a handful of years. Even the 997 Turbo gets better mileage than the Carrera and also emits less emissions.
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Atomsksky wrote:

forced induction... BUT SUPER CHARGE IT! Turbo charge has more flaws such as lag, build up time and (in my opinion) super charged sound better that any turboed car EVER will.


Have you ever seen a setup with both? A supercharged engine with twin turbos, I have and since then I've been forced induction for life. With it I've seen a neon beat a 911.
Posted 7/6/08
Ive seen a peugot 206 with a similar steup but with single turbo in sweden once. really wanted to give it a go.. =P
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srsly supercharging applications are becoming a thing of the best. superchargers first of all have to run off your engine taking power from it while a turbo runs off exhaust. the faster you go the faster you spool and the cycle continues. also superchargers are a hell of a lot more moving parts than a turbo which just means theres more chance for something to go wrong. like everyone else has said your best argument is turbo lag which is becoming a thing of the past. if your driven a FI car you'll realize what turbo lag actually is. its not some 5 seconds slowdown or this incredibly slow gain in power. and as for the topic of it putting more wear on an engine. its honestly wears your engine only something like 5% more. i can give you a direct quote if you need from a guidebook i have on turbo applications. unless your running something insane and stupid like 25-30lbs of boost its really not something to worry about and really if your someone who takes your car to the track everyweekend anyway your not expecting to get 10 yrs out of it anyway and probably dont want to get that much out of it you'll want a new project a couple yrs down the road.
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NA all the way...most of the time
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I'm into FI I like turbos especially but I hate big laggy turbos...
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SPARTAN_ wrote:


Atomsksky wrote:

forced induction... BUT SUPER CHARGE IT! Turbo charge has more flaws such as lag, build up time and (in my opinion) super charged sound better that any turboed car EVER will.


Have you ever seen a setup with both? A supercharged engine with twin turbos, I have and since then I've been forced induction for life. With it I've seen a neon beat a 911.


So where is the second turbo on the neon? There is barely enough room to fit a respectable single turbo in a FWD car in the first place. I have seen a hybrid FI supercharger/single turbo setup before.
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