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The Color Discussion
Posted 2/27/08
(sorry if this is a duplicate :(... I searched for it though... and given that we don't have an extended discussion thread index... ¬_¬;; there wasn't really much I could do ¯\(°3°)/¯...)

this's come up a couple times in my english class... the discussion on COLORS

My English teacher, who was also the sponsor of our old philosophy club, said that the color argument was banned =/

she explained that it was uncertain whether or not you really can share experiences with other people... if experiences are subjective.
for example...



(random picture, I know ^_^;;...)

many people could say that the microbe is yellow. true...?
but there are many different varieties of yellow that you could say it is. One person may say it's pollen colored. Another may say it's the color of a banana.

It's the same object, but each person views it differently. Therefore, even the "best of friends" really cannot share the same experiences because everyone is different...

or... something like that ._.;;

I'm not the expert on this, I just thought it was interesting because it came up a couple times... has anyone else heard of this? and what can you say about it?
Posted 2/27/08
this is really interesting....it reminds me of times when ive argued with people over whether something is navy or black...purple or pink.....i wonder what it would be like to relive an experience you've had with a friends but as them...see how they saw things!
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Not with orange =D! Its a color AND a fruit!
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It kinda reminds me when i was sitting in psych AP and we were discussing seeing sounds and like smelling colors or something. I thought "What if a person saw a color like blue but everyone else sees it as red or yellow? Could it happen to your brain where you see a different color than everyone else is seeing?"
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Arguments get banned in philosophy? haha I dont think so, are you sure you heard your professor right? =)
Perception is still one of the big questions in philosophy. This is a classical question, I think is related to something called 'spectrum inversion'
Ok I cannot type much because of my wrist so I'll copy and paste a few thing you might find helpful

"Two people might make all the same color discriminations, and use color language in all the same ways, so that outwardly (from a third-person perspective) we would have no reason to say that colors don't "look the same way" to them. But how can we be sure? Isn't it possible that a red object looks to me exactly the same way a green object looks to my functional twin, and vice versa?"

"There is currently a raging disagreement about this, and it leads directly into the fascinating and vexing mind-body problem. Much of the debate turns on what we should mean by "the way a color looks" or "the qualitative character" color experience. Some hold that the way things look or seem first-personally does not go beyond the way that a person reacts to, processes, and acts upon her environment. For such philosophers ("functionalists") if two people really are functionally the same--that is, they make all the same color discriminations and use color words in all the same ways--then things thereby look the same to them from the inside. Philosophers who hold this need somehow to explain away the intuition you expressed--that it's nevertheless possible for things to look differently to such twins. Other philosophers honor the intuition and hold, therefore, that the felt, phenomenal character of a color experience is not exhausted by the role that that color experience plays in a person's cognitive functioning. But then one promising materialist way that we might try to understand our mental states--as states that essentially play a certain cognitive role in us--can't capture everything. In fact, it leaves out an experience's most central aspect--the way it feels from the inside. And if this transcends cognitive function, then perhaps it's not physical at all."


Here is an statement by Frank Jackson

"Jackson asks us to suppose that Mary is a color scientist who has spent her entire life in a black and white room. Though she has learned all the physical science relating to color, she has never experienced color herself. Now imagine that one day she is let out of the room and shown a ripe tomato. Jackson supposes that we would have the intuition that she has now learned something new about color. "Aha," she might say to herself, "So that's what the color red looks like." In other words, despite knowing all the physical facts about color, Mary did not know what it is like to experience the color red."
Posted 2/27/08
This is cool, thanks. Ah, I was distracted by your random picture. To me, it's the color of a banana laffy taffy.
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I think philosophy and psychology are extremely interesting. There is more to the human mind than a lot of people realize. Our psych teacher kept bringing up like quote's from the matrix. Is this real or are we asleep in a room somewhere? A lot of people will say Yes this is real but do you truly know. You're mind is a very complex thing but it is very hard and controversial to get real facts.
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voidlugiron wrote:

Not with orange =D! Its a color AND a fruit!


haha joka...
Posted 2/27/08

mauz15 wrote:

Arguments get banned in philosophy? haha I dont think so, are you sure you heard your professor right? =)
Perception is still one of the big questions in philosophy. This is a classical question, I think is related to something called 'spectrum inversion'


thank you for your input ^_^
it's greatly appreciated, I'll take those to heart...

the real reason that she "banned" discussion of the color topic was that unfortunately, we're still in high school... and our teacher has a bunch of other responsibilites she has to do other than being the sponsor of the club =/...
meaning she can only keep the members until 3 in the afternoon.
the clubs usually last for an hour after school... which is why she had no choice but to "ban" the color discussion. Although quite interesting, due to the short periods of time that the club had (plus, the clubs usually only meet once a week or month depending on what it is), the entire club period could not be consumed by one topic. She told us that color was so interesting and caused so much discussion that it would take up so much time. Thus, she got rid of the discussion completely in order to move on to different topics
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mmm.. colors. I always carry around 3 cameras and they always take pictures with similar but different colors. Same as the printer i keep like 4-5 of them around and they print different colors on all of them.
I always crack open a few boxes of skittles to check what color it really is. Especially the tropical ones. fool-proof method fosho :D
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lol ur yellow thingy ma bob was funni xD
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That's very interesting. I'm not color blind or anything but I might not see the same shade of color other people see. My friend's ex-boyfriend was color, he couldn't see blue or green. >.<
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Posted 2/27/08

KissMeKillMe wrote:

It kinda reminds me when i was sitting in psych AP and we were discussing seeing sounds and like smelling colors or something. I thought "What if a person saw a color like blue but everyone else sees it as red or yellow? Could it happen to your brain where you see a different color than everyone else is seeing?"


I've always wondered that! But I think probably not because of poisonous berries and frogs and stuff, we probably evolved to see things the same color as everyone else... Bat maybe not. Maybe all of our favorite colors actually are the same, but we know it by different names. ...I'm confused.
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Posted 2/27/08
my dad is really color blind
we aways get into arguments
telling him that something is blue
when he s w e a r s
it`s black
anything dark he confuses with black
xD it`s so funny ;P

the only thig that sucks
he told me
was taht he wanted to be a police offcer
b a c k w h e n LOL
buh they wouldn`t let him
a l l because he was color blind
Posted 2/27/08
Some people (only women I think) are tetracromats (they see four primary colors, i.e. they have four types of cones, not three). It's exceedingly rare though.
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