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Hello, I’m Conner. I’m a born again nondenominational Christian. I believe that we should all study and learn to live at peace with one another, despite clashing opinions-however severe these may be. I used to hate religion and religious people, but I realized that anti-religion was just a mutated form of religion itself. It took on all the bad things associated with religion (ignorance, zealotry, narrow mindedness, stupidity, arrogance, ext) and none of the good things (hope, values, faith, loyalty, humility, generosity, selflessness, piety, ext.)

So, post here a little about who you are and what you believe. Those of you who are atheists or agnostic just say so. I’ll define the terms for those of us who may not know what those are. I would like to note that they are not religions, first of all. Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color. (That’s actually a famous quote, I don’t recall who by.)


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Hi there. Right now, everyone here knows who I am, but I'm sure that will change, so I will give a quick intro.

I'm Kim. I belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The Mormons. Seraph asked me to join and explain what we believe. I will be starting a new thread for just that purpose. About me, more personally, I'm 39 (I just hate writing that out loud. I'm not vain about my age, I simply don't feel it), married, and I have 6 children...all girls. Motherhood has given me a better perspective of my Father in Heaven, and I will refer to parenthood frequently. I'm pretty easy to get along with, and my self-esteem can handle the "hard" questions...so feel free to ask me anything. If you are too shy to ask here, then you are more than welcome to PM me.
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Yo, I'm Stefan. I'm a 21 year old Christian (though I do hate that term).
My views will clash with just about every religion (including certain Christian demoninational beliefs) but my beliefs are foundationally Christian
I attend a Christian College majoring in music and have just ended my 3rd year.
I'm not afraid to ask the hard questions and would like to learn more about different religions though i have no plans to convert.
I have seen the power of my God work against evil so i do not follow my faith blindly.
I will anger people in this group so I apologise in advance.
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hi i'm Atra , i'm 21 years old , and i am Muslim My views are really simple and clear i have some principles when it comes to religions


1st : you are religious or you are NOT there's no half Muslim/Christian etc...


2nd: i don't believe in Religion Updates : i tend to hear a lot of people saying "times changed" times Did changed but woman still woman / man still man/ animal still Animal and so ~~ i will reconsider that point if a NEW specimen will born :P


3rd :
Religion for me doesn't need to be logical , i don't believe in logical things when it comes to religions. "Thinking Logically will Just Open the door to Questions made by "the evil" there are questions that are asked , to create confusion in peoples Mind, and the evil will have an opening to make a hot fuss in your mind , if you are not that strong to resist ,or your *faith* is not that strong, you may take a suicide...or live a really stressful life...Asking Logical Questions and looking for logical answers is not a good way to live... ,Religion Is more Spiritual than Logical...and i think it is the best way to think of your religion to live in peace in mind ."


As for me i really believe in my religion , And i practice my religion whenever i can,and invite others to get to know it !, i was never told that im some kind of extremist or something.....i'm a healthy 21 years olf girl :)

4rth : i always think of my religion when i start a project , or aim to do something, it helps me feel secure,and to know my limits.

5th: to all the questions i had when i was a teenage i had the right answers (and believe me i had such a weird questions _ _')

6th as muslim should always behave correctly , and help other people to understand his religion, and so i do , without imposing it or forcing the others , or speaking bad things about other religions.

7th: I don't say harsh things about others religion, but if they do ... i'll just ask them for proves , and to ..justify their insult. the only thing i don't stand/and will not try to understand in this life is Atheist ...


8th:I don't believe in the "mind your own business" , you need to help the others it's your duty if you find other are falling into the dark side -especially socially talking- nowadays you hear a lot "whatever" "don't mind him"
"i don't care" "better save my a**" that's why suicide cases, divorces and such major problems increased...

Finally i just don't understand why people are *fighting* about that, religions are a path you chose to live as one said "In this life we need Rules to follow" they are necessary or else we would be Cannibals don't you think so too ?

atra :)
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Hello, atra. I can see that you and I are very similar. (veeerrrry similar). It's good to have you here, and I hope that you will be able to bring enlightenment about the Muslim faith to this group. The stereotype doesn't mesh well with what the Muslims I've know say, and it will be nice to clear up misunderstandings.
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thanks ^__^ i'll do my best
nice to meet you too i'm really glad that such a group exist

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Yo, I'm Evan, sixteen years old, and agnostic. Although I do not follow one religion, I do believe in something greater than us: spiritual consciousness, afterlife, karma, etc. However, I do not necessarily believe in one almighty deity, or God. (Sorry if this offends anyone) I think humans as a whole have the power to do miracles and extraordinary things, not the God. Being a good person as a whole, and being helpful/kind to all life will give one a healthy soul in my book. Moreover, I can guarantee that I will not stay agnostic the rest of this life, and I am sure I will find a religion that most fits my beliefs/values. Finally, I am very optimistic of this group being that it will allow people to come together and respect each other's view on life. : )
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Hello, Atra, Kam. Thank both of you for your wonderful introductions. I already respect both of you.
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Hello. ^^ I'm Esther (or eternalraven or WinterRose <-- like this name the best :3)

Erm... I'm 22 and was born into a non-denominational Christian home. I became a born again Christian sometime in my tweens, and then re-dedicated my life to Christ in my teens. Throughout my life I've always had an interest in spirituality and religion and other cultures.

So far it seems like I'll get along with you all. ^^ It looks like you guys think similarly to me :3 hehe~~

As for what I believe... I believe in the Holy Trinity--God the Father, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit (or Holy Ghost). I also believe that the only way to God is through Jesus Christ who acts as our intercessor and by accepting the Holy Ghost. From there, there is the laying of hands for spiritual gifts and living your life righteously and surrendering to God and His will. I believe in a personal relationship with God (sometimes when I say God, I'm meaning the Trinity :3) and free will.

Sometimes it baffles me when people are stifled from making their own choices in life... God gave us free will in order for us to exercise it, not suppress it. How else are we supposed to learn from life and from the mistakes we make? We become better people by learning from our mistakes, and often-times our mistakes bring us closer to God, or humble us, etc...

Sorry I think I'm rambling a lot because I'm trying to express how I feel and who I am, but it's coming out kind of stupidly XD Yeah... I think I might introduce myself again later when I'm not so tired...

:3 Thank you for inviting me to this group! ^^
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I'm Mauricio, and I have been Catholic, then I was atheist, and now thanks to philosophy I am currently an Agnostic.
Agnosticism is not a belief, nor a system of beliefs nor a religion. It is a position one takes when it comes to the existence of God and is based on knowledge. Not belief, knowledge. Therefore, there are theistic agnostics, atheistic agnostics, and many other kinds. My point is, I am aware of my limited perception, my limited senses, and therefore, limited ideas and beliefs. And I feel that with the current knowledge, age, life experience, etc that I have, it would be arrogant of me to decide a belief system, (atheist/theist) just by a 'leap of faith' or assuming the lack of it.

Just picture it as if I am holding the question open and I'm still waiting or looking for enough evidence, or knowledge in order to make a decision. How long it would take me? I dont care, I learn a lot during the process and that's what matters to me right now.


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3rd Religion for me doesn't need to be logical , i don't believe in logical things when it comes to religions. "Thinking Logically will Just Open the door to Questions made by "the evil" there are questions that are asked , to create confusion in peoples Mind, and the evil will have an opening to make a hot fuss in your mind , if you are not that strong to resist ,or your *faith* is not that strong, you may take a suicide...or live a really stressful life...Asking Logical Questions and looking for logical answers is not a good way to live... ,Religion Is more Spiritual than Logical...and i think it is the best way to think of your religion to live in peace in mind ."



So thinkers such as St.augustine, Thomas Aquinas, who are deeply important catholic intellectuals, and the numerous Islamic philosophers and scholars such as Avicenna, Al-Farabi, and Averroes; thinkers that debated, and enhanced Islam during the time where Islamic theology and philosohy were at the Golden age were wasting their time? because they all asked deep questions, had faith and used logic....I suggest you evaluate the balance between faith and reason.

There is a difference between your needs and fact. In fact, you used your logic to justify your first statement. That statements is personal but is also a religious one.

Just saying...

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So thinkers such as St.augustine, Thomas Aquinas, who are deeply important catholic intellectuals, and the numerous Islamic philosophers and scholars such as Avicenna, Al-Farabi, and Averroes; thinkers that debated, and enhanced Islam during the time where Islamic theology and philosohy were at the Golden age were wasting their time? because they all asked deep questions, had faith and used logic....I suggest you evaluate the balance between faith and reason.




Religion for me doesn't need to be logical



Augustine,Thomas , Averroes, and others chosed this path of devoting their life to religions and researchers and debates and such , and tried their hard to bring to us proves and conclusions...I didn't chose this path , i just decided that for me

religion Is more Spiritual than Logical...and i think it is the best way to think of your religion to live in peace in mind
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5th: to all the questions i had when i was a teenage i had the right answers (and believe me i had such a weird questions _ _')


that's why am at peace right now and keep on living a decent life !!
to make it clear for you i live like this ...

In Every country there's an Army devoting their life to protect their nation (recently to attack others :p)
and to protects the citizens ,
in other word...i'm part of the citizens ... not saying that i'm a passive person just receiving help or something ! it's just the way I choosed .... to live!



There are people having tons of questions from Dawn to dusk and living in uncertainties the rest of their life,surrounded by ignorants who don't help them understand the purpose of Life , i think having people around you that can help you understand and answer to your questions,will let you be relieved ,most of Atheist were people stucked in a room somewhere and had monologue their entire life....and auto-convincing them self of what is wrong what is right .... i find this really pity....i was told once by a *supposed * Atheist that i'm blind and that i'm missing some important knowledge about this life , i'll leave the "filling the gaps " exercise for you gals , and i'll keep on living my peacefully life with my self and the others as well.

Just to Make it clear that this is my pace. ...

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My name is Marcell.

I'm 19 years old and I'm a Christian.

I can't stand when other so called "Christians" try and shove our religion down other people's throat.

This is one reason why Christianity gets bad press, because of the extremist morons. "IF YOU LISTEN TO THAT MUSIC, YOU WILL GO TO HELL!!" and etc.....

To me, those people don't even COUNT as Christians, Jesus would be so dissapointed with them.

I'm the kind of Christian that accepts ANYONE'S beliefs and respects EVERYONE'S opinions, even if I personally think it's nonsense.

I hope we can all discuss this VERY TOUCHY subject like mature adults, without arguing like a bunch of children.

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Marcell, please don't bold type your entire post...I feel like I'm being yelled at. Thx.
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^ wha? is not so bad. Is not like it's all in caps.

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I still think, questioning things is not a bad thing if you know how to do it. People who "know all the answers" are the cause of a lot of problems. Not all of them obviously, for example you. But the "right answers" of some people are harmful, and they are attached to religion and have faith as a basis.

What you said about atheists is a generalization...and a strange one. o_O
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^ wha? is not so bad. Is not like it's all in caps.

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I still think, questioning things is not a bad thing if you know how to do it. People who "know all the answers" are the cause of a lot of problems. Not all of them obviously, for example you. But the "right answers" of some people are harmful, and they are attached to religion and have faith as a basis.

What you said about atheists is a generalization...and a strange one. o_O



@Mauz ^^
i agree with you that some people are harmful...that's why you need to be certain of the people you chose !


Yeah it's a strange one it's mine
atheist belives in none
..., none doesn't exist
atheist doesn't exist ^^....

please note that it's my personal opinion.

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