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what i know is that, the difference between Christian and Muslim religions is that in Islam, they don't believe in Christ as the messiah and consider him just another prophet. and that they consider muhammad to be * forgot what they called him* but it was like he is the ultimate prophet of all..While as we all know, in Christianity, Christ is God's son and our almighty Saviour!
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Umm... From what I understand, Muslims wouldn't evolve their text from the bible, seeing they consider the bible to be a work severely corrupted by Jewish and Christian authors. From what I understand, while perhaps modeled on the bible, it wasn't copied.

to those out there who'd criticize his spelling, Moslem's is the same thing as Muslim.
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i just dont agree with their treatment with their women.
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i always wonder wat those girls look like under those black darth vader outfits?
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Posted 8/1/07
actually those outfits was wear to protect them from the sun rays and from dust, but now they gone too far, there isn't any rule that we have to close our face, it's just too much.
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Posted 8/1/07

cendil wrote:

actually those outfits was wear to protect them from the sun rays and from dust, but now they gone too far, there isn't any rule that we have to close our face, it's just too much.


hmm true, i dont really care tbh, just feel sorry for them having to wear it in that extreme heat, i never saw them back in japan but here in melbourne there is quite a few of them.
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Its all freakin herecy and vile corruptions

look at historys of people and you can see before 100 bc or whatever thier was nothin bearin the vile name muslim or islam... its herecy

not to mention thier stupid people runin around with muhumad had run into Catholic Monks or whatever you might call em... i think some hwere priests... and apparently however the muhamids workers floated by devils or something holdin them in air... but the Catholic priests sthrough a prayer or something knocked em on thier asses

in displays of Heavenly power the Catholic Church constantly bested them... specially in the first few generations after Christs death and resurrection....

just look at histroy read a few accurate books.... even now look at the squaler theyve created their and in africa.... look at where the Catholic Church was... the Church has allowed Civilization to flourish... Muhamids vile filth choked out life and brought people near ruin... even when they tried to invade europe they were finally pushed out by the vikins an such who came to be part of the church.... and now theyve screwed over countless people... they raped pillaged and killed... its all vile.... loook at history... the full history


oh .... ps... i dont hate them or any of the people... i despise the corruption that Muhommid spread, thier wasnt good in it... only vile attempts to do what he wanted and to create a military power to conquer with... also...seroiuslly... if your gona read those sorta books... read a few catholic ones... historyicly accurate... they dont lie... it wouldnt be tolerated for lies to be their
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Im muslim .. And you must know that .. Muhammed didnt write Quran .. It doest real ..
It 's sended by God,Allah ..

and Islam religion is really sensible . and it doesnt by force .. you dont have to choice islam ... it is your choice .. no one can tell sth to it
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The Muslim religion is a crappy religion.

Crazyevil145, you can say that Islam is a choice, but that's not true. If you're in a primarily Islamic country like Pakistan, you're basically forced to be Muslim by your parents, teachers, surroundings, the government ... and random people you meet. The reason it's like that is because the religion is very strict.

Then you take me, where Muslim people get VERY upset to find that I'm not Muslim just cuz my parents are "Muslim" and I have a Muslim name. If they're devout Muslims, they'll try numerous times to get me to 'see the light' and subtly continue to do that forever.

Every religion is based on non-credible sources and is full of holes. You can say that the Quran is the word of God, but that's BS. It was recited and written by imperfect humans just like every other religion.
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Not that anyone is going to bother reading this, but here is something i wrote for another forum that describes the history of islam. Personally, I think BK hit the nail on the head when he said:


BasouKazuma Every religion is based on non-credible sources and is full of holes. You can say that the Quran is the word of God, but that's BS. It was recited and written by imperfect humans just like every other religion.


**incoming wall of text**

I haven't read the Koran yet, but I mean to.

I studied Islam a decent bit before I went to the middle east, and the conclusion I came to is that it's extremely violent, hateful and epitomizes the worst that religion is capable of.

What's interesting is how out of context the Koran is quoted. For example, you always here how kind and peaceful it is, but then where do all these violent tendencies come from? You have to study the history of islam a bit, as well as how their theologians approach it.

When Mohamed started preaching Islam in the streets of Mecca, it was originally a religion of love and peace, not terribly different from much of Christianity really. Problem is he started threatening the established religions of the time, so they kicked his ass out.

Mohamed then went down to Medina. Interestingly, his message of peace turned into one of war. He literally started raising an empire to conquer Mecca. His new form of Islam became a lot less friendly, but quite popular. There is an entire chapter (surah) dedicated to dividing up spoils of war.

What's interesting is that unlike the bible, the Koran is organized alphabetically instead of chronologically, so all these mixed message are right next to each other, some of them completely contradictory. Muslim scholars decided that the best way to sort it out was to take the last position Mohamed took on topic as the official position.

That's right, the official ideology is the warmongering side of Islam as it was taught in Medina, not the peaceful version taught in Mecca. That would explain an awful lot now wouldn't it?

As far as I'm concerned, there will never be peace in the middle east as long as Islam is the dominant ideology. And they're doing the same shit they did that kick started the crusades - moving into europe and setting up shop. As many naive and idealistic europeans are realizing, many of these muslims don't seem terribly concerned about adapting to the local culture.

But a big part of the blame for all this is with the western world - had we been developing alternative energy sources, the middle east wouldn't be rolling in money right now. All that money is what's financing Jihad.

What to do now? I think our options are either level the middle east or cut off their funds by developing energy alternatives. But as long as there republicans in the white house (especially ones from big oil), this will never ever happen.

I don't think all muslims are bad, just like not all christians are bad. I met a lot of really friendly muslims when I was in the middle east, and many of them just want to live normal lives. They just haven't spent the time researching exactly what they believe, or at least they are forcing themselves to see it from a flawed perspective.

It's sad that at a time when we know more about the world than we ever have before, when we have so much potential to do so much good we instead opt for superstition, hatred, greed, and madness.
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I don't know much about any religion, but my mother told me that moslems indeed accepted Jesus as a prophet. Or maybe they have, right now those topics are so difficult >_> Anyways, I come from a muslim family, but my mother is more into buddhism. And I don't get the reactions BasouKazuma has mentioned, when I tell people I'm an atheist.

Most people only ask me how my parents feel about my piercing >_> I have friends from Iran and Afghanistan and it's the same with them, although I think their parents are actually "real muslims".

Recently, I sat in the park with three of my male friends. One of them is believing in Allah, I suppose, but he's not actually religious. However, on that day he seemed to feel bad because he was drinking beer with us, while the new guy in our class was in the mosque.

So he started telling one of the boys about how everyone is invited to be a muslim and he should think about converting. Of course, we didn't take him seriously. We pointed out to him that it was the new guy's influence. However that guy couldn't care less who's muslim and who's not. Surprisingly though, the next day all of the boys went to the mosque together. An African guy, an Afghanish guy, a Russian guy and a German guy. They had some tea and a nice discussion. I bet much nicer than this one Of course no one converted =D

Btw: As much as everyone inteprets the bible differently, I guess peaceful muslims stick to the peaceful guidelines and the haters stick to the hateful phrases in the Koran.
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BasouKazuma wrote:

The Muslim religion is a crappy religion.

Crazyevil145, you can say that Islam is a choice, but that's not true. If you're in a primarily Islamic country like Pakistan, you're basically forced to be Muslim by your parents, teachers, surroundings, the government ... and random people you meet. The reason it's like that is because the religion is very strict.

Then you take me, where Muslim people get VERY upset to find that I'm not Muslim just cuz my parents are "Muslim" and I have a Muslim name. If they're devout Muslims, they'll try numerous times to get me to 'see the light' and subtly continue to do that forever.

Every religion is based on non-credible sources and is full of holes. You can say that the Quran is the word of God, but that's BS. It was recited and written by imperfect humans just like every other religion.


but it is Pakistan ..they are telling you have to chioce Islam .. not God .. I just wanna tell that .. ın Quran Islam doesnt by force ... maybe in pakistan it is like that but not in Quran ..

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ahojcookie wrote:

Btw: As much as everyone inteprets the bible differently, I guess peaceful muslims stick to the peaceful guidelines and the haters stick to the hateful phrases in the Koran.


So why follow such a flawed contradictory book in the first place? According to their own muslim scholars, this interpretation is incorrect anyways. In order for a sacred book to be well, sacred, doesn't it need to be perfect? if it isn't perfect... then doesn't that whole divinity thing come into question?

Some fun Quron verses:

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

pretty self explanatory

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)

the funny thing is it says elsewhere in the Koran that you can. what a pickle!

"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another." (Surah 48:29)

not exactly friednly is it?

Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196

meaning, unless you're muslim you don't have a right to life and property.

Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57

can't leave the islamic religion either it seems.

Mohammed said, " No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir" (infidel). Vol. 9:50

a "kafir" is a non muslim btw.

"Narrated Aisha that the prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."Vol. 7:64

tell me how it's ever justified to sleep with a nine year old girl.

"The prophet ordered them to follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so they followed the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy." Vol. 7:590

some of the amazing science in islam we keep hearing about - camel's urine, coming to health store near you!

sad thing is i can just keep going and going... the Koran is one of the most hateful books ever written. sure it has it's nice parts... but that doesn't justify the bad. where do you draw the line? how do you chose what to follow and what not to follow?
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azrael910 wrote:


ahojcookie wrote:

Btw: As much as everyone inteprets the bible differently, I guess peaceful muslims stick to the peaceful guidelines and the haters stick to the hateful phrases in the Koran.


So why follow such a flawed contradictory book in the first place? According to their own muslim scholars, this interpretation is incorrect anyways. In order for a sacred book to be well, sacred, doesn't it need to be perfect? if it isn't perfect... then doesn't that whole divinity thing come into question?


From mentioning that I'm an atheist you should have figured that I'm doubting the sacredness of any book^^ The bible is ridiculed by many for the same reason. I was actually going to tell Seraph the same, he mentioned quite a few times he's christian, so he's religious. Being non-religious I'm neutral towards the different religions and therefore to me it seems pretty amusing that a christian calls one religion manipulative, while failing to see that all of them are.


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some of the amazing science in islam we keep hearing about - camel's urine, coming to health store near you!


There's a lot of BS in any "holy book", plus I don't like what you do here: I don't know how old this book is, but it's not too long ago that people considered the most hilarious things to have healing powers, so you're really just aggravating people who turn towards this book to seek...something by ridiculing parts of it that are obviously outdated and can't be taken serious.

Ah and the pedo part, I have no sympathy for pedophiles, but once again: in the dark early times it was quite common to marry girls who'd nowadays be considered children.
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^it still happens in many parts of the world...

oh btw jesus is mentioned several times in the quran...
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