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i find it very interesting XD
how they get time to pray during school hours.

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im no anti-religion here but this thread need to die............
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@feye: it's the same when u use excuse to went to toilet. 5 minutes is enough to pray.
my country dont have this problem, but the schedule is flexible due to certain scenarios. so praying wasnt a problem. oh yes, the whole praying thing is not merely just to go to heaven. it most likely 'thanks for the oxigen' or 'for keeping me alive' or 'thanks for all the goods given to us'. and Allah also granted non-muslim wish coz a god is a god.
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Muhammad, the writer of Qur’an wanted his religion to appeal to the Christians and Jews, so he manipulated his concoctions to intergate their religions into it. He used this to convince many people that Allah was in fact the same thing as Yahweh. However, the Jewish and Christian churches looked at it and said, “Yeah, umm, no.”


First of all Mohammed didn't write the Qur'aan, he was illiterate (didn't know how to read or write). Since he was illiterate he couldn't have "concocted" anything. You have to wonder how an illiterate person could have come up with something so powerful and full of poetry. Also how would a man who didn't know how to read or write could have known some scientific things to be true which modern society is finding out right now with their ultra modern tools and devices.


Muhammad himself admitted that Qur’an contradicts itself and was written to encourage loyalties according to the current political situations. However, he also says, “But I am the prophet so its okay.”


I have no recollection of this being said anywhere... if you really read the Qur'aan as you said you would have seen no contradictions.


Also, I cannot comprehend what the point of being put away with 42 virgins for an -eternity- is. They’re only going to be virgins for like… a month or two. After that it’s just being trapped with a bunch of chicks for the rest of existence.


The "virgins" are actually "Hoors" meaning pious women who are there to keep company to pious men.

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Since you knew this was a controversial topic before you posted it you should have kept away from it.
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Aegis85 wrote:

i'm a muslim but i had to tell u r wong from the beginning. qur'an didnt written by muhammad. and i had to tell that muhammad cant read or write. quran evolve from bible. that's y most of the contents are the same. the rest of the contents were added after muhammad recieved prophecies. it was recited back. i saw many false inforegarding islam in website such as aboutislam.com. and it's true that muslim extremist hate christians and jew but i cant blame them coz they were born that way mostly the arabians. a real muslim teaching is like a japanese christians.
oh yeah, a note here, whenever ppl saying something such as "the sun sink in murky water", "muhamad rape a 9 year old girl" or "....it was from bukhari", ignore them coz i met so many ppl coz they trying to decieve you.


First off, grammar is your friend. Use a spell check. Also, don’t try and be serious if you’re too lazy to hit the shift button on eyes, and add a Y and a O before your U.

Second off I know more about the -real- history of your religion than you do. So do some research and don’t just listen to what people preach at you. That would be like me saying, “The Christian Religion just popped out of thin air.” Obviously there is a history behind where it originated. I may not like it, but that’s the truth.

Anyway, your cannot trust all the information you find on the internet. Obviously Muslims are going to manipulate their religion and twist it around to make it seem prettier and then thrust it on the web. Every religion does this, except maybe the Jewish religion (I love Jews! They’re about the only religion that doesn’t go out and try and force themselves on people, and doesn’t conform, and doesn’t flip out anytime somebody expresses that they disagree with them! Obviously there are individual Jews who are different, but the Jewish body itself…)

P.S: I know that Islam is the Muslim religion. Anyone who knows anything about my CR history, however, knows that I use my title on my threads to draw people in. Somehow the word Muslim seems to draw people in more than Islam.

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One last thing: I made this thread because there are too many threads going on about Christianity. Please do not try and turn this into yet another monotonous cry between antireligious bigots and Christian zealots.

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First of all Mohammed didn't write the Qur'aan, he was illiterate (didn't know how to read or write). Since he was illiterate he couldn't have "concocted" anything. You have to wonder how an illiterate person could have come up with something so powerful and full of poetry. Also how would a man who didn't know how to read or write could have known some scientific things to be true which modern society is finding out right now with their ultra modern tools and devices.


The Koran was originally memorized by his peers. Saying he didn’t write it is like saying Homer didn’t write The Iliad and the Odyssey. Only worse because we’re not even sure if Homer was real.

Also, I told you that I'm not exactly a master of the religion. So people: DO NOT! NOT! Take my word on all of this like law. Do some research. It's good for you. I could be wrong, even in this post. I checked my books, so I doubt it, but books are not always 100% correct themselves.
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^ From what I understand actually, the Mecca of Mohammed's time was very literate. If not, the arabic culture was very oral -still is to a degree- so memorizing his words wouldn't have been difficult for the disciples.
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Aegis85 wrote:

i should remind u that this are fakes. i'm a muslim and i've seen a LOT of fake quran out there. to put this simple, everyone have the right to live and choose what they believe. frankly, what u have post is disguiting. i read quran and i'm shocked how muslim haters manipulate those words. just becoz arabic is confusing and many ppl dont read or understand them they dont have to 'translate' it that way. it's the same way how some christian haters saz 'holy water' came from 'pregnant's womb liquid'.


They seem to match up just fine with sacred texts online. Though they all aren't from the Quran, many are from hadiths , but muslim holy books none the less. The first few that specify surah are very much in the Quran. don't just blame language when you don't like how it's interpreted.
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Yeah, that's the problem sometimes with religious scripture. Once it starts getting passed down orally, it changes over time. More so than if it were written, anyways. Unfortunately for some Muslum groups, but by no means all, some leaders have twisted the religion into forming bans of religious fanatics who turn to violence for ironic peace. In the words of a wise man whose name eludes me at the moment, the new racism of today is based on religious beleifs, not actual race.
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im no anti-religion here but this thread need to die............


no one is listening to the arguments here, they're just stating their opinions. only one person even responded to all those verses i posted, and he just dismissed them as fake and blamed the language. i don't believe anyone even commented on the early history of islam i posted. i officially give up, even when hard proof is posted it's disregarded, discounted, and ignored.
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i stay as far away from religion as possible. i've seen what's happened to those who have faith. doesn't seem any different or better than those who don't believe...
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azrael910 wrote:


juspasby wrote:

im no anti-religion here but this thread need to die............


no one is listening to the arguments here, they're just stating their opinions. only one person even responded to all those verses i posted, and he just dismissed them as fake and blamed the language. i don't believe anyone even commented on the early history of islam i posted. i officially give up, even when hard proof is posted it's disregarded, discounted, and ignored.



Actually I am listening to the arguments. But there’s about 50 people, each with their own points to make, and its difficult to reply to them all. Once upon a time I would have systematically gone through and made my comments to each other person, but people complain about my posts being too long so I just choose a few that catch my eyes and talk comment on them. I’m sick of being flamed for actually putting an effort into my posts.

I think the best cure is to not put that much effort in it, because serious or not I’m going to get flamed.
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this is turning into an argument where neither side is listening to others and are just bombarding opinions wots the point of that when yer just making othes go nuts rather then listen to u with open mind. It would be nice to post refrences backing up yer quotes or wotever stuff someone puts there. cuz most of it jsut seems like opinion to me. and azrael there is not just one translation of the verses depends on whose verse translation u have taken some might see it as authentic and some might not and there are sects in islam so they also have differces u might have picked it up from some other sect so please put refrences where u get information from. and mind explaining how u came to the conclusion that its all out violent from beginning to end. for the information he didn't start raising an army to conquer or if u call someone attking u and if u defend then yer trying to become a conqurer and i doubt that would leave anyone out from being trying to be a conqurer. empire wot empire did he raise i have never heard of it it just one city with the outlying villages combined. and how did it become less friendly did they slaugter all the non believers living in medinah did they kill everyone when they took over mecca or gave them some form of torture. mind u give refrencing to these contradictory verses i still have no clue wot they might be. and for the information of peace the most peace in the middle east was when islam was in power before islam brothers used to kill other father burying their daughters it was changed when it came. and crusades were not started by muslim they were started by the the europe to take back holy land as they say which did not need any taking since all the people there were already enjoying peaceful lives and equally nonmuslims included. also when the crusaders took over the city they salaughtered everyone there even christian people. i understand jihad is misunderstood by some people and used for wrong doings but that does not make the whole religion bad. it might be flawed form someone point of view but they see it as their way of life just as everyone has the right to their opinion and way. thats just my two cents. hmm and this really is turning into argument where noone is just listenting to other maybe closing the thread is good idea o well ^^ and please anyone dont take it personally wot i said. there is good in everyone it is just hidden in some and out in some. ^^
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Am sorry to say this , the person eho started this thread really showed a shallow minded person , he just found one resource and started to go with it please if you want to go more in other religons write the refrences that you took your read from .

I am muslim and am proud of my religion till date of judgement, please Prophet Mohammed was a messanger and all other prophets who were before him were messangers like Essa but Prophet mohammed was the last that was sent from Allah (GOD) .
another thing there were no manuiplating in any kind of his religion which is ours , secondly secondly try to seek knoweldge more through search and taking opinions than writing something that will put on a place of misunderstanding

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to define more , you said you skimmed quran , in what language , how was it translated , who translated to you , did you take it from a center or e-resources, was yor hints discussed further in meanings of ayat alquran .
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physicx wrote:

freedom of religion is okay, but why do muslim extremist have to force their religion on others. and they call it the holy war against those who dont believe. i mean look at the christians, they believe in God and Jesus but they dont force their religion on others, and dont use stuff as suicide bombing. here on tv there wont be a day that there was no suicide bombing by a muslim extremist. a lot of innocent people die because of it.


I disagree. christain sects similarly share their beliefs with others using fervent zeal, usually demeaning others beliefs. religious violence is also a part of christian history; and still exists, though not usually to the point of killing, but I've seen a fair share of religious debates end in fist fights. Even many athiests I've met have 'adamantly' expressed their beliefs to me, to the point of violence.
The violence has nothing to do with the religion. that's just and excuse to absolve individuals of thier choices. People are violent, not philosophy or religion. religion is simply a guideline to live ones life, people choose what they understand and how to follow.

Honestly, practitioners of Islam that I have met are some of the most faithful, dedicated, kind and generous people I've associated with. Ironically they seem to be more christian than most christians themselves.
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