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The term child soldier refers broadly to the participation of children in war, associated with government forces as well as armed groups.children have directly participated in conflict as combatants themselves as well as in support roles such as porters, spies, messengers, look outs,

Today, child soldiers continue to be used in conflict in several countries, most notably, but not limited to, African nations, where they serve in Armed groups,militias and even national armies, they can also be enlisted in America as well, believe it or not, (I was one to an extent)

What are your thoughts on the use of child soldiers?
Were you ever one yourself?
If so, what were some of your experiences?


I was one to a small extent, mainly because the group I was with never saw combat with the people we were training to fight and defend against, the Klan and an Aryan nations group that wasn't far from where we lived, they would often go on television talking about how they were preparing for a Race war, where they would wipe out jews and blacks, or something like that, so older members of the community thought it was best that we at least train to counteract those threats if they ever came to pass (better safe than sorry), adults and teens were the principle fighting force and they trained accordingly, being in the rural south, we had fairly adequate weapons, children 8 to 13 were trained enough to defend themselves, I was 8 at the time

Personally, I enjoyed it and quickly found my knack as a soldier, which was my original impetous for joining the Marines, I loved the training and the prospect of seeing combat and killing men, but sadly the group disbanded after about a year and a half, we quickly realised those groups were just bullshitting, and wasn't starting a war against us any time soon, so most of them stopped training and went about their lives, and a good amount of the teens joined gangs or become drug dealers, it's quite sad really
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.....Bullshit.
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Meh, thats kind of wrong, because they can't really choose for themselves, and they are the easiest ones to kill.

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Coreybato wrote:

.....Bullshit.


What's bullshit?
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@ kirby ^ agreed =( it is wrong
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would be just like child labour!!
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I learned a lot about child labour and child soliders. I've seen videos too in school...it's so sad...
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faye3693 wrote:

would be just like child labour!!


Except that child laborers don't have to shoot people and have a better survival rate.

In several African nations right now child soldiers are kidnapped children, many of whom saw their parents being beaten or kileld by the people who kidnapped them. They are dragged into the jungle, forced to kill others, denied an education or a future, its terrible. It's illegal, but the UN is having a hard time stopping it when most of the militaries using them are guerrilla fighters or insurgents.

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You were a child soldier? Where the hell do you live? Hmm, the only thing I have to say about that has already been said:


Coreybato wrote:

.....Bullshit.


However, the topic brought up is an interesting one. The use of children as soldiers has already been made into a war crime. This being said it still continues. Although personally I find a moral clash with it I don’t think it is fair for nations like England and America to go and tell other nations they cannot use child soldiers.

What stronger nations seem to forget is that in their earlier times, before they got strong enough that it was no longer a necessity, they too used child soldiers. This being said, smaller nations with greater poverty, in a areas of high violence and unrest, (like Africa) cannot afford to raise up a larger and more professional army. So they turn to children.

Now, it may go against modern philosophies, but trying to stop other nations from using child soldiers is the same thing as America going out and fighting a war to force communists nations to conform to democracy. There is absolutely no difference-assuming you view it from the core and a neutral standpoint.

This all being said, I hate the use of child soldiers. I wish we lived in a world where it was not necessary. Unfortunately that is not so. This being said, it is not our place as people living in world power nations, (for those of us that are) to try and stop the activity of third world countries. I’m afraid that falls onto the hands of the officials of the third worlds themselves.

Just because we are stronger does not mean we get to go police the world into our moral standards. Which, makes me laugh, because England does this too. Yet, I see a lot of English people bashing America for it, simply because America is more straight forward with it. Not all English people are guilty of this, mind you, obviously, but… Well, search back for that “Americans are not stupid” thread and view that clip. It’s a…-decent- example. If memory serves.

Anyway, child soldiers have played major roles in the history of warfare. You have the obvious offenders in the ancient world: Sparta, Persia, ext-to the Child Crusaders of the medieval times, to the youths fighting in the Revolutionary War, to now. Even in WWII, whenever Hitler was starting to loose power, he drew in the Hitler Recruits and sent them to fight.

The sad thing is that its effective. A bullet launched from a child’s riffle is just as effective as one from an adults, and it’s a lot harder to shoot back. (Obviously modern military discipline can take over this, but smaller nations don’t have this.)


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friendlyquark wrote:


faye3693 wrote:

would be just like child labour!!


Except that child laborers don't have to shoot people and have a better survival rate.

In several African nations right now child soldiers are kidnapped children, many of whom saw their parents being beaten or kileld by the people who kidnapped them. They are dragged into the jungle, forced to kill others, denied an education or a future, its terrible. It's illegal, but the UN is having a hard time stopping it when most of the militaries using them are guerrilla fighters or insurgents.



Yeah, they are also drugged. However, child soldiers often have a better life then they did before they were kidnapped, drafted, or recruited. Africa is such a poverty bitten, AIDs infested hell hole that sometimes taking a gun up and blasting your friend in the face seems like the only way out!




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Coreybato wrote:

.....Bullshit.


He's referring to child soldier in an abstract sense, not entirely given a gun and told who to shoot, but in the sense that he was raised under this stigma of hatred, that could move into being a war. I've seen it. People who believe so strongly about a certain thing KKK is a good example here, that they actually go out and commit hate crimes, and in some way's that's considered acts of war. or "being a soldier" for the cause.
SO i don't doubt him, i've seen it happen.

* i was going to say more here, but i don't want to offend anyone.

Edit: what actually bothers me is, Abel, you seem proud of it. Like it's a good thing you were taught to hate.
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^^North Carolina, Duplin county
I was one to a small extent, I was trained to handle a weapon, but I wasn't really meant to fight


Dusterbayala wrote:


Coreybato wrote:

.....Bullshit.


He's referring to child soldier in an abstract sense, not entirely given a gun and told who to shoot, but in the sense that he was raised under this stigma of hatred, that could move into being a war. I've seen it. People who believe so strongly about a certain thing KKK is a good example here, that they actually go out and commit hate crimes, and in some way's that's considered acts of war. or "being a soldier" for the cause.
SO i don't doubt him, i've seen it happen.

* i was going to say more here, but i don't want to offend anyone.

Edit: what actually bothers me is, Abel, you seem proud of it. Like it's a good thing you were taught to hate.


I wasn't taught to hate, though I came to hate the Klan and organizations like it for what they had done to my people in the past and even the present, and I already generally hated people by then, I just hated the Klan alot more then most people

and I was mainly proud of being a soldier (or csomething close), and actually trained to fight evil people

Edit- Did you actually think I was in the Klan?
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what you're calling a child soldier is what most of us call "delinquents"

when you say child soldier, that means you're running around in african civil wars with an AK-47 jacked up on all sorts of illegal drugs killing people left and right.

if you want to fight racism and ignorance in america, don't pick up a gun, pick up a book and become educated. that's the single most devastating thing you can do to them.
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America isn't ignorant, it's just the target of all the crap you see on tv.

America isn't any more ignorant than the UK.

Anyways, child soldiers...

I figure that if they volunteer to do it, though it's still wrong, that it makes it less severe.

But if you force kids into combat like Hitler did, well that's a different story.

Overall, it's wrong.
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I'm an actual soldier, as in US military. When I was in Iraq I saw kids fresh out of high school sitting behind machine guns on the tops of Humvees. 17,18,19-year olds. Can't even buy a beer but they're expected to shoot people and die when they're told to. And they do.
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hitler youth, says alot that is all.
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