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MEMPHADON wrote:

"When one defines oneself as Pagan, it means she or he follows an earth or nature religion, one that sees the divine manifest in all creation. The cycles of nature are our holy days, the earth is our temple, its plants and creatures our partners and teachers. We worship a deity that is both male and female, a mother Goddess and father God, who together created all that is, was, or will be. We respect life, cherish the free will of sentient beings, and accept the sacredness of all creation."


-Edain Maccoy

Edit: in my opinion, it is essentially the same as Satanism


This is a big misconception. But its normal, as many relates wiccan or witches to satanism. They are even burn on the stakes.

Of course, movies and shows are not helping in explaining.

Oh, this reminds me of the anime : Spice and wolf. It gives a good view of how the church prosecutes paganism.
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Well, on one website (www.beliefnet.com), it said my beliefs are most like that of a Neo-pagan. Even if you're not a Wiccan or Neo-pagan, "A'in it harm none, do what thou wilt." or my wording of it "As long as it harms none, do as you will", is still very good advice on how to treat all other living creatures. Not just humans, but animals as well. Then again, if you think about it, we're a form of animal ourselves.*

Still the whole Wiccan/Satanism discussion could have different answers depending on what exactly you're asking...

1) The Wiccan religion and Satanism (as in the religon) are not one and the same; they're two different religons.

However...

2) If you're refering to "Satan" as a corruption of the Arabic word "shaitan", which could mean "adversary". In that case, especially long ago, then yes they could be considered 'satanic' in the eyes of the Christian church. Even if you are talking about this meaning, it does not mean that Wiccans worship Satan.

As for what dkcy209 said, you have a point there (the comment about the anime "Spice and Wolf").

Plus, Politicans were not the only ones prone to mudslinging and that's still true even today.

*=If you're going to compair my comment there with Ayumi Kaku's rant about how humans are just another type of dog (See Episode 4 of Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro), you should expect to see a message the like of which Meru Otonashi might send (Character from Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei)...just kidding!
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Reminds of Charmed. I love that show!
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Indeed, Wiccans doesn't worship Satan. Just take in mind that Wicca is not the same as Satanism, for self explanatory concepts. The moral point of view of the Wicca doesn't differ by much from that of the Christianity, from a universal point of view, however it doesn't mean both are similar at all. While the basis might be similar, the spiritual structure is completely different.

Christianity teaches of the existence of God as a unique almighty being, like other religions. Wicca worships the 'Goddess' if you want, believing in the existence of both, a God, and a Goddess. Been the latest the one of importance.
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jmsberg wrote:

^ tl;dr

summarization: Wicca is a generic token religion that doesn't really distinguish itself in any significant way. Wicca has something to do with the earth or something and recycling is greatly encouraged.

Contrary to popular belief, most Wiccans do not practice any form of spellcraft, thus eliminating anything of interest from this bland, watered down counter-culture fad religion.

Wicca is also a popular "trendy" religion for overweight lesbians.


Actually most Wiccans do. More Neo-Wiccans (it's funny that there's already a "Neo" prefix adding onto such a young religion, isn't it?) do that Trad-Wiccans, but that's also because Traditional Wiccans refer to their magic as more of a high magic than spellcraft (the difference being that high magic deals with personal divine relationships, where as spellcraft deals with changing the everyday world).

Wicca, in the British and American Traditional practice, is a very intense religion that requires ritual dedication of the lay people (who aren't called Wiccans, but dedicants--Wiccans are the innitiate clergy) and initiation into a three-degree mystery system, much like a secret society (which some scholars actually label Wicca as, as well as a religion). It deals with observance of the naturals cycles (the seasons, life cycles, etc) and the unity of an active male and feminine divine. Though it is a new religion, many of it's practices are taken through reconstructing some Celtic Welsh paganism (based on their mythology and the practices of the lay people, not the Druids), Gnostic symbolism, and Kabbahlistic Hermeticism, particularly branches of the Golden Dawn, such as the OTO (Gardner, the founder of Wicca, was actually a late pupil of infamous OTO founcer, Aleister Crowley, and is rumored to have actually started Wicca as part of his degree initiations).

Neo-Wicca came about as a solution for those that do not have Traditional Wiccan covens readily available, but still want to follow Wicca. Several earlier Wiccans published pre-initiatory information and some lighter first degree material and stated that one doesn't need to be an initiate to follow Wicca, while still encouraging interest in the initiatory mysteries. As a result, some groups popped up, taking watered down practices from other Pagan religions (most of which didn't really like this too much) to fill in what ever gaps uninitiated newbies could feel unsatisfied with, play down initiation almost entirely and turned Neo-Wicca into a fad religion. Neo-Wicca can still be redeemed with some more well researched authors, one for Dummies book, and the older, more experienced and far-more serious practitioners, but all this hard work lies in the shadows of hack jobs, like Silver RavenWolf, DJ Conway and that plastic bimbo, Fiona Horne.


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Reminds of Charmed. I love that show!


I was a Neo-Wiccan when that show was at it's peek. I wanted to kick everyone who asked me if I was "a charmed one" very hard in the nads. I used to watch it, but I lost interest after the first season, and then took up great loathing after the annoying pop-culture questions kept popping up.
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dkcy209 wrote:


MEMPHADON wrote:

"When one defines oneself as Pagan, it means she or he follows an earth or nature religion, one that sees the divine manifest in all creation. The cycles of nature are our holy days, the earth is our temple, its plants and creatures our partners and teachers. We worship a deity that is both male and female, a mother Goddess and father God, who together created all that is, was, or will be. We respect life, cherish the free will of sentient beings, and accept the sacredness of all creation."


-Edain Maccoy

Edit: in my opinion, it is essentially the same as Satanism


This is a big misconception. But its normal, as many relates wiccan or witches to satanism. They are even burn on the stakes.

Of course, movies and shows are not helping in explaining.

Oh, this reminds me of the anime : Spice and wolf. It gives a good view of how the church prosecutes paganism.


well if you'd read the satanism thread, you'd know that i don't view satanism as devil-worshipping or ritual sacrifice, or whatever the church came up with back in the day.

and i agree, spice and wolf is pretty awsome.
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Are you in the same category as the tree huggers?
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Wiccans are damned.
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Sulla wrote:

Wiccans are damned.


why do you say that?
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Wicca is a considered a religion and in the united states is actually considered a religion in which a "church" can recieve tax benifits!
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keelo wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Wiccans are damned.


why do you say that?


They are Pagan dogs.
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Sulla wrote:


keelo wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Wiccans are damned.


why do you say that?


They are Pagan dogs.


what if my beliefs,or your beliefs were wrong? for all we know they may be the ones following the right faith. I guess we'll find out in the end though.
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keelo wrote:


Sulla wrote:


keelo wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Wiccans are damned.


why do you say that?


They are Pagan dogs.


what if my beliefs,or your beliefs were wrong? for all we know they may be the ones following the right faith. I guess we'll find out in the end though.


Yep
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vampier wrote:

Wicca is a considered a religion and in the united states is actually considered a religion in which a "church" can recieve tax benifits!


The problem is that so many of these "churches" don't qualify within a state for the tax benefits. The religion still has a lot of legal difficulties within the States.
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no comment
just respect their beliefs
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