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Posted 5/17/08


huh? i thought he did got rejected in the future rin rejected shirou



I dunno what Void is talking 'bout.
He does get 'rejected' since he doesn't get as close to Tohsaka nor Saber as the 'past' Shirou.
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Posted 5/17/08

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What...? Are never got rejected by RIn



huh? i thought he did got rejected in the future rin rejected shirou



No, Quite the contrary. Rin was Shirou's lover, Didn't you play UBW?
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Posted 5/19/08

voidlugiron wrote:


tempest324 wrote:


voidlugiron wrote:


What...? Are never got rejected by RIn



huh? i thought he did got rejected in the future rin rejected shirou



No, Quite the contrary. Rin was Shirou's lover, Didn't you play UBW?


mmmm i don't get this if shirou was rin lover then won't archer will renconzoied her?

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Posted 5/20/08 , edited 5/20/08
of course.. he's cool because the grail summons heroes from past and future... he'll not be cool if he's no hero.. yeah.. archer's really shirou..
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Posted 5/22/08

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huh? i thought he did got rejected in the future rin rejected shirou



I dunno what Void is talking 'bout.
He does get 'rejected' since he doesn't get as close to Tohsaka nor Saber as the 'past' Shirou.


ha? how'd you know that he hasn't get as close as to Rin and Saber in the past?
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Posted 5/22/08

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ha? how'd you know that he hasn't get as close as to Rin and Saber in the past?


By playing the game and reading reliable stuff?
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Posted 6/7/08
wow....shirou gets hotter in the future...nice
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Posted 6/9/08
thats cool that archer is shirou i always wounder who he is
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Posted 8/8/08
Archer remembers nothing beacuse Rin didint have enogh power too make a complete ritual sumoning so he arrived with few memories seeig as he rembered iliya
Posted 8/10/08
as i see now... yes archer is shiro but living in a different world... which is a parallel universe... his actions are as the same as shiro... so 2 say archer is a twin of shiro but older in the timeline... and as some say which is true... he didn't remember his past due 2 rin's uncompleted summoning... well i still didn't know Archer true past of why he is concsider as a hero and i'm confused about that... but in the end Archer knew all along that Shiro is his successor... they both can use Unlimited Blade Works.. and their abilities are similiar... thus prove they are the same... but one thing is 4 sure ... Archer is a ultimate and the final form of Shiro... if Shiro was as the same age as Archer... i guess he will be as powerful as him... but have differents in character because they do not co-exist... it may not seem that archer didn't know that shiro is him...but he is definitely one guy that is super powerful...
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Posted 8/22/08
the story is when rin summoned him there was something missing so when he materialized he was not complete............besides he's future shirou thats why they have the same powers!!!
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Posted 11/18/08
Archer isn't exactly the future of Shiro but a possible future of Shiro. Depending on how his life will go and what choices he will make he may or may not end up as a counter-guardian like Archer
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Posted 11/18/08
Archer is from a future parallel world of Shirou's.

It's not only for not giving away his true identity, but he doesn't wish to be ever known as Shirou too. In fact, he mentioned that his current self was the result of 'the stupidity of a punk named Emiya Shirou'.

It's still rather vague whether he got close to anyone but if I choose to depend on fate/hollow ataraxia, it points to Rin. During the events of it, he doesn't wear his red cloak anymore to restrict him from his UBW. And when Shirou asked him why Archer won't kill him since Rin is away in England, he said that Rin doesn't wish to battle. He said this although he doesn't have a contract with her.

Since fate/hollow ataraxia is not really a true sequel, it could not be canon too.

But anyway, in the last events of fate/hollow ataraxia, he is willing to go into a contract again with her and become her servant. And he does say that, as Shirou, he did follow her to England later where he had an accident of falling into the Thames River. That could explain why Rin's penchant is with him.

If I want to speculate as far as why Archer wanted to go back in time and kill himself, it's because it's not only him hating himself. Most likely, something bad happened to Saber too. And Rin and Sakura were dead by the time of his death. (Illya is nonetheless dead earlier on.) Hence, if he went back and erased himself, maybe the people closest to him would not die later on.

Whatever it is, I just prefer to speculate that Archer felt that Rin died because of him.
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Posted 11/18/08

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If I want to speculate as far as why Archer wanted to go back in time and kill himself, it's because it's not only him hating himself. Most likely, something bad happened to Saber too. And Rin and Sakura were dead by the time of his death. (Illya is nonetheless dead earlier on.) Hence, if he went back and erased himself, maybe the people closest to him would not die later on.

Whatever it is, I just prefer to speculate that Archer felt that Rin died because of him.


Something bad did happen in his lifetime. I don't now about Rin and Sakura but they probably died because it was said that he had a lover but lost her. About Saber, he wasn't able to convince her about the Holy Grail thus she wasn't save and he wasn't able to prevent Ilya's death 1 year after the war.

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Posted 11/19/08
Well, if I assume these:

1. At the episode of Archer's death, he had a ruby penchant from Rin.

2. He lost a lover during his life as a human.

And according to some sources, there was a war. So definitely he would have lost his loved ones I guess. There must be some significance actually if Rin would actually give him the penchant that her father left for her before he went off to fight the 4th Holy Grail War.

That's why I highly speculate Rin actually died before he died. Since Rin died and she was already an accomplished sorcerer in the magi world, he would definitely be blamed for her death (i.e. he's like a terrorist actually) and resulted in the 'betrayal' and be hung at the gallows.

Just some random speculation.

Gosh, I just wish there was a gaiden/extra story for Archer. But I guess they prefer to leave it to the fans to speculate.
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