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I have an 96 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST with AEM EMS and a T04E turbo currently on my car. Being that it's a Mitsubishi I've had a lot of problems with keeping the car running. After my dad and I put the turbo on we had to take it to our local autoshop yo have a dump tube installed. After doing this I was hammering on the interstate when I hit about 25psi and the fuel pressure regulator line and boost gauge lines blew off and had massive vacuum problems. I actually had to have the car towed home because I didn't know what the problem was. Got it home popped the hood, found the lines and my dad and I test drove it. I was tuning on the computer and we went out to our testing grounds did a pull, and blew the same lines off again. We also managed to blow the seals on the throttle body. Fixed the leaks but now the car still needs retuning and it's got a miss right now. It's been really frustrating. On a sidenote, when I had the stock T25 I was running 17 psi and made 212 whp and 240 wtq. As well, I can tell a huge difference with the new turbo, at 25 psi and 5000 rpms in 2nd gear I managed to loose traction while already rolling. I was very proud. I would guess I'm probably making close to 450 whp with the new turbo setup. You've got to love the 4G63T, you don't have to build the engine to make 500 hp.



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I have an 96 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST with AEM EMS and a T04E turbo currently on my car. Being that it's a Mitsubishi I've had a lot of problems with keeping the car running. After my dad and I put the turbo on we had to take it to our local autoshop yo have a dump tube installed. After doing this I was hammering on the interstate when I hit about 25psi and the fuel pressure regulator line and boost gauge lines blew off and had massive vacuum problems. I actually had to have the car towed home because I didn't know what the problem was. Got it home popped the hood, found the lines and my dad and I test drove it. I was tuning on the computer and we went out to our testing grounds did a pull, and blew the same lines off again. We also managed to blow the seals on the throttle body. Fixed the leaks but now the car still needs retuning and it's got a miss right now. It's been really frustrating. On a sidenote, when I had the stock T25 I was running 17 psi and made 212 whp and 240 wtq. As well, I can tell a huge difference with the new turbo, at 25 psi and 5000 rpms in 2nd gear I managed to loose traction while already rolling. I was very proud. I would guess I'm probably making close to 450 whp with the new turbo setup. You've got to love the 4G63T, you don't have to build the engine to make 500 hp.



Nice another DSM guy. Hows that EMS treating you? Are you on talk or tuners? Its funny cause I've never really had problems with my car with it being a 1g awd.. Whats with your redicious spool? That is way too slow for a 50 trim. You should be seeing full spool at 4100-4300rpm. Have you checked for leaks of anything?... I know its not much of a problem with the speed density cause it will run fine with it but the disadvantages is your not really sure if you have boost leaks or not. Nice setup tho.
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EMS is nice, but it's not the easiest thing to deal with. It can make your car make a lot more power, but I find that it's best to have it tuned by a professional. Actually I'm not on DSM Talk, but I am on tuners, but I don't post, I just browse for parts and information mostly. I'm mostly active on 502Streetscene.net. My car starts making boost at 3000 rpm and by 4000 it's hitting, I dunno, close to probably 20 psi. I have really payed that much attention, it spools quick and makes a lot of power. I also have very aggressive timing on my car. We've got the vacuum leak problem solved, we believe. Like I said, the throttle body seals had blown, and the other leaks were simply from overboosting and not having correctly sized vacuum lines, which have since been replaced and have zip ties put on them. When you first start the car it only pulls about -15 inHg , but after it warms up for a minute it will pull almost -20 inHg. I'm not really sure what thats about but, I'm not that worried about it. Also, my turbo is a Bulleye's Sport T04B 60-1, fuck a 50 trim. Lol. My goal is to kill Corvettes.
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Haha.. Thats why DSMs were put on this earth. To put V8 owners in their place. We're like the only 4 bangers they are scared of.

Well your vacuum problem seems normal to me. If it is pretty cold out and you just start your engine the fiav should be doing its work to raise idle and thus you seeing less vacuum until it regulates out when the engine is warm. If thats a problem for you, you could always do a fiav delete.

Thats funny that you have the bullseye 60-1 cause I have almost the same turbo. I have the holset hx35 with similar wheels and all but with a huge 4" anti surge cover. I had a 35r before but it blew on me and since you cant rebuilt BB turbos I said F-it.. I'll just go back to my old turbo until I save up again for the new HTA 35R or the 37R.
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Yeah I would have loved to have a 35R, but they're just so expensive. I had to get something fairly cheap so I was like, T4 60-1, worth up to 550 whp. I think I can handle that. It's not like I need a 10 sec car to daily drive, an 11 sec car will do just fine. Lol.
Posted 3/9/08
I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.
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I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.
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GreekCotan wrote:

I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.



maybe a D16? SOHC FTW! lol......NOT
Posted 3/10/08

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GreekCotan wrote:

I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.


oh so its 92 bhp? than it makes 105.8 whp

well Its a 1991 Civic DX Sedan
Posted 3/10/08

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revolutionofone wrote:


GreekCotan wrote:

I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.



maybe a D16? SOHC FTW! lol......NOT


Oh yeah D16A6.. my bad. I'm dyslexic at times x]
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revolutionofone wrote:


GreekCotan wrote:

I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.


oh so its 92 bhp? than it makes 105.8 whp

well Its a 1991 Civic DX Sedan



hmm i always though brake horsepower at wheel horsepower were basically of same meaning but in europe? lol or is it that the bhp means at the fly not to the wheels
Posted 3/10/08

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GreekCotan wrote:


revolutionofone wrote:


GreekCotan wrote:

I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.


oh so its 92 bhp? than it makes 105.8 whp

well Its a 1991 Civic DX Sedan



hmm i always though brake horsepower at wheel horsepower were basically of same meaning but in europe? lol or is it that the bhp means at the fly not to the wheels


brake horsepower is 15% greater than whp
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GreekCotan wrote:


yangss14 wrote:


GreekCotan wrote:


revolutionofone wrote:


GreekCotan wrote:

I don't force my induction, I let it induce freely x]

I don't waste money on modifications cause its an old car and it had alot of underbody rust, I sanded down and repainted what I could but uh its almost ready to die. Also, they salt on the roads during winter doesn't help -.-"

I don't know what my compression ratio is either but its low as my car is stock 4-Cylinder B16A engine 92 whp / 53 torque I pretty sure its 10.2:1 compresson ratio since all stock B16 engines in Japan/North America should be.


If we're actually talking about the B16, 10.2:1 or 10.4:1 depending on which one. Butttt... I don't think we are because I don't believe any B series makes 92whp.


oh so its 92 bhp? than it makes 105.8 whp

well Its a 1991 Civic DX Sedan



hmm i always though brake horsepower at wheel horsepower were basically of same meaning but in europe? lol or is it that the bhp means at the fly not to the wheels


brake horsepower is 15% greater than whp



lol ok thats what i thought....than your the one who confused your self and confused me in the process, so bhp means at the fly got it
Posted 3/10/08

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GreekCotan wrote:


yangss14 wrote:

hmm i always though brake horsepower at wheel horsepower were basically of same meaning but in europe? lol or is it that the bhp means at the fly not to the wheels


brake horsepower is 15% greater than whp


lol ok thats what i thought....than your the one who confused your self and confused me in the process, so bhp means at the fly got it


Mwahaha!
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BHP is power measured without parasitic leaching(no alternator, AC, powersteering...etc)
SAE BHP is the power measured with a complete engine on an engine dyno.
WHP is measured usable power after all parasitic leaching and drivetrain loss is accounted for on an chassis dyno.

GreekCotan is correct BHP is roughly 10-20% more than whp.
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