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I'm wondering if I'm the only one who has heard of this new show thats premiering on CBS soon (CBS being a channel in the U.S). Basically, the show is about 40 children, aged 8-15 on a privately owned town built on the ruins of Bonanza City, New Mexico. In the show, the children try to create a functioning society in the town, including setting up a government system, with no adult help and supervision.

I though this was simply disgusting. I feel like the parents of these children are simply exploiting them for cash, (which is of course involved in some way). There are 8 year olds there who are probably still afraid of the monster under their bed, and to live without their parents for so long is scarring.

Something even more outraging is that these kids missed a month of school so that they could participate with the show. No amount of money should make a parent stoop so low as to throw their kid into a situation like that!

In one of the previews it shows them having to decide between slaughtering the chickens or not. I, being a bit of an animal lover here, couldn't help but think that they wouldn't do it right. I doubt any of them know how to kill a chicken instantly, and chickens feel pain! Plus to have an 8 year old, watching that who may or may not have experience being near death and blood before, is horrible.

Also, I was kind of wondering about the older teens participating in the show...like the 14 and 15 year olds. I don't know about you, but aren't we a little hormonal at this stage? =\

So, thats the end of my rant...I'm wanting to know others opinions though, am I just overreacting about this whole thing? Should they even have been put in to such a situation in the first place?

**Also, this is kind of in relevance to the post about a world without kids, it gave me the idea to ask crunchyrollers their opinions. Sorry in advance if its a bit too similar.^^
Posted 8/8/07
The kids most likely decided to participate on their own, rather than their parents forcing them to join the show. If you ask me, it kind of reminds me of Battle Royal, or Lord of The Flies, and if that if there were no cameras it'd all end up terrible. However, there are cameras, right? So I guess that counts as some supervision.

Killing a chicken is nothing, a classmate in school who used to live in China said that he'd work in a restaurant when he was a kid and would chop the heads off of chickens. What if a bunch of adults were going off to a place to do the same things these kids were doing, and had to decide whether or not to cut a chicken's head off? It's the same thing, and you'd disagree against both because you're an animal lover. This rant about the chickens has nothing to do with being against kids trying to create their own town.
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^ How exactly would an 8 year old find out about the show? Surely its not his goal to make money by living with a group of strangers away from his parents. Money that will go to their parents or a college fund of some kind. Granted, maybe their parents didn't force them to do the show, but surely they encouraged them?...

I don't really see a problem with your version of killing a chicken, I understand that some kids grow up having to chop the heads off of chickens. I'm sure not all of the participants of this show have grown up in China like your friend though. I also wouldn't disagree with an adult having to make the decision. For one they most likely know how to pluck and cook a chicken after its been slaughtered, and most adults have more of the physical strength needed to subdue the chicken and snap its neck or cut off its head.

Also, this rant does not have anything to do with kids creating a functioning society, its whether or not they should have been put in this situation in the first place.
Posted 8/8/07
This sounds very similar to a program aired in Britain a while back. It was concerned with placing a group of children in a house (boys or girls, though not both at the same time) and watching what happened. The cameramen were required to intervene once, with the boys when they were in the process of killing a hedgehog. The girls were much worse.

It will be mayhem, there is no doubt about that. Without the usual adult influence some children will naturally begin to bully others. Gang law will rule, with only a few of the children, possibly none, trying to continue with the functioning society idea after about 4 or 5 days.

The idea of having 14-15 year olds is good, the British program "used" children of around 10-12 (as far as I can remember). They will be more conscientious than the younger children, and will be more adept at reasoning, and living in a structured environment.

I wish them the best of luck, not that I believe any form of "reality TV" in which people are subjected to undue stress is acceptable. Especially when the subjects are children, it is wrong, ethically, and in scientific research, to use children under 16 without their parents knowing the entirety of what they are going to be subjected.

In such an experiment no one can know what will happen. The environment is utterly liquid, and there is no controlling factor (though I assume that the programs producers are on hand to help in emergencies). Was it not being run in Mexico I reckon that court proceedings could be brought against it due to its misinterpretation of research ethics... though they probably would claim that it is not an experiment, and therefore exempt.

edit: changed syntax to make it easier to read/understand.

v You forgot to add: ... and run it like a dictatorship/autocracy.
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Who the hell cares about killing chickens jeez!? 8 year olds isnt that small, they should learn to survive by themselves jeez....my guess is the older kids will take control and head the government...
Posted 8/8/07
^^There are ways for kids to find out about shows to take part of. There are plenty of kids reality shows, but they're more for the pre-teen/teenaged group, such as that show Endurance, or that old show from along time ago Bug Juice.

I do agree that the show is wrong though. It reminds me of Battle Royale a lot, I know it's not as severe as that, but it seems like the creators are just treating the kids like animals in a documentries. It doesn't seem humane.
Posted 8/8/07

FatedEmperor wrote:

Who the hell cares about killing chickens jeez!? 8 year olds isnt that small, they should learn to survive by themselves jeez....my guess is the older kids will take control and head the government...


xD gosh you're evil ahha

Well, I think that it's goina be harder for the younger kids just ebcause of what fated said...the older kids will take control...instead of the younger ones >.>
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I agree. I think these parents are exploiting their children. However, as long as there is no abuse or neglect going on during the month I can’t really say anything more than parents like that annoy me. These children may have decided to go on the show too, but 8 year olds are not old enough to tie their own shoes half the time. Much less make a decision that is going to change their life and schooling for a full month. (They should have done the show during the summer, if at all.)

I think it is a good thing to have older -girls- on the show. A guy who can go a month without…the solo act at the age 14 is a rare thing indeed. That’s not something little children should walk in on, it’s horrifying… (Trust me… X_X)

This being said the show will probably be stupid anyway. Never use children for anything. The only show that’s managed to use children in ‘reality’ situations is Wife Swap. (And of course the 3 dozen rip offs.) That’s only because they’re not the center of attention and those people are nuts. (My favorite episode was when they got the fake psychic lady and her homosexual, tap dancing, and arrogant sons and made her swap with a family of red necks! My gosh! The father in the rednecks was hilarious! A total jerk, though he actually learned from the show. [before it he had his wife do all the household work, and never helped. After he changed this.]) Anyway, I think the show will eventually topple. Then again, maybe not.

Well, the older kids are obviously there to lead. As has been mentioned. But, my thoughts are that this show is a bad idea and that these parents are using their children as money generating tools.
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Lord of the Flies was an awesome book.

I really can't believe that CBS thought this would make a good show. :/ Those poor kids.

Oh my God. There's going to be a second season: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/kid_nation/
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Posted 8/8/07

SeraphAlford wrote:


lokita wrote:

Lord of the Flies was an awesome book.

I really can't believe that CBS thought this would make a good show. :/ Those poor kids.
The oldest was wearing a fur coat and hood in the middle of the dessert...? Anyway, why are they taking 40 children and putting them into a town where rattle snakes creep down the streets when there are cameras and people around? That’s just asking for trouble.

Oh my God. There's going to be a second season: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/kid_nation/



The oldest was wearing a fur coat and hood in the middle of the dessert...? Anyway, why are they taking 40 children and putting them into a town where rattle snakes creep down the streets when there are cameras and people around? That’s just asking for trouble.


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I don't really see a problem with it. The children won't come into any real harm. Because if they were seriously hurt, u know the parents would be suing CBS like crazy.

Trust me, they've already said in interviews about this show, that the kids are truly safe. They're just trying to make it look crazy to bring in ratings.
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dandylion wrote:

In one of the previews it shows them having to decide between slaughtering the chickens or not. I, being a bit of an animal lover here, couldn't help but think that they wouldn't do it right. I doubt any of them know how to kill a chicken instantly, and chickens feel pain! Plus to have an 8 year old, watching that who may or may not have experience being near death and blood before, is horrible.


how do you expect them to eat the chicken? eat it alive? oh wait, it feels pain that way too... I hate it when people think of retarded logics like this, you'll be the first to die off in any disaster.

ever see kids squish bugs and chase animals? oh noes, death is horrifying.
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I think it should be fine. I mean they should learn how to cook and clean at a somewht early age so they won't have to depend on anyone to do it for them. Like in one of the commercial one of the kids thought the soap was butter. Some of them must have been spoiled, this might help them in the furture. I don't really think the parents forced them to do it. But this is just wht i think.
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@ Gt:
What about the other thing that chickens do?...like lay eggs! I hate it when people try to combat my "retarded logic" with something that is completely irrelevant to the general topic.

chasing animals? How does that compare to pinning down a chicken and chopping off its head? And yep, death is horrifying, glad we agree on that

"you'll be the first to die off in any disaster" <--Well, thats nice...good luck to you too.

---I also doubt that any of them will come to actual physical harm, but who is to say they won't be emotionally scarred? The whole "council" thing also unnerves me. If they're really trying to create a society in which life is better and everyones equal, then they shouldn't be appointing a ruling class in the first place. The younger kids will be learning to obey and submit to those with a higher rank. Seems more like a oligarchy to me. x(
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Well, no offense to anybody, but I want to see it. In one of the commercials I saw, a kid was saying that they didn't need parents. I think like cherry18, the kids might be really spoiled and this would give them a good lesson. And I don't think any parent would want to throw their kids in the middle of nowhere, but rather the kids thought it would be a good idea to teach their parents that they can fend off for themselves. Though I'm not sure of anything.
And the chicken thing is no big deal, but considering that you're an animal lover, I think you might be more scarred for life than them.
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