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The Value of Quotes
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Posted 5/9/08

Regulus133 wrote:


qweruiop wrote:

Logic? Well there are certain fallacies present in logic, and you just committed one of them:
Appeal to Ignorance

Just because it hasn't been proven otherwise, doesn't mean that logic is the best system. Here is my counterexample: It could very well be the case that we are all being deceived by a higher being into believing that logic is the best system.

This is Descartes's counterexample.



It wasn't a fallacy, since I didn't say anything about it being true or not. I'm considering this in terms of use-value, not truth-value.



You did say it as an implicit premise in your argument.

In all honesty I didn't really read your post at all, and I am not trying to argue with your content. I am just pointing out that there is a fallacy present in your argument.This statement just jumped out at me since I just took a logic class last year and we had an example almost exactly identical to this one.

I didn't mean any offense. Just thought I'd point it out.
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Posted 5/10/08
Quotes support the argument in the sense that it make your points for stronger when you have others supporting your point of view considering what they experince before to come up with the quotes,and it tend to let people to think of the meaning behind the quote which sometimes causes the opponent to misinterpret the quotes and the preposition might use that to their advantage in the argument.
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Posted 5/10/08
IT GIVES INSPIRATION TO EVERYONE!!!
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Posted 5/10/08

qweruiop wrote:

You did say it as an implicit premise in your argument.

In all honesty I didn't really read your post at all, and I am not trying to argue with your content. I am just pointing out that there is a fallacy present in your argument.This statement just jumped out at me since I just took a logic class last year and we had an example almost exactly identical to this one.

I didn't mean any offense. Just thought I'd point it out.


I know both Descartes and logic as well.

My argument was this:

1.) Whether or not we are getting the "actual truth" of reality is interesting to consider and even useful in continued skepticism, but it often reaches the point with people who like to debate this kind of philosophy where no system is better than another, where "anything goes" as it pertains to truth; put simply, nihilism.
2.) This is destructive rather than merely deconstructive, and it is no longer of much (if any) value when applied to the best system we have: science.
3.) Therefore, we should not fall into the trap of that type of debate.

The fallacy you believe is there is not there at all. I am not saying that it must be true simply because we know of no better system, which, although a fallacy, may not meet the standards of "appeal to ignorance" anyway. After all, I do not say it is true because it has not been proven false, nor do I say it is false because it has not been proven true. Perhaps the argument from personal conviction, though.

Anyway, you get my point. But you should really read the entirety of a post to get its meaning before you begin to criticize it.

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Posted 7/25/08
an argument is in itself an opinion that is accepted/dismissed by two r more ppl. so using quotes might or might not increase the value of the argument caz in an argument its who makes the other giv in to them. even if the person won the argument doesnt mean that person's opinion is right or wrong. so quotes do not undermine or bring out the value of arguments. its just the way u use it.
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want to win argument?
1. Never argue in morals and philosophy (untouchable by experiment)
2. do experiment
3. do a peer-reviewed on the experiment conclusion
4. give 'em the result.
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Posted 7/25/08

"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire


Quoteing this quote proves that it does help, I personally don't quote unless it servers a purpose and right now it does, because what Voltaire means is that "quoting nonsense proves nothing, but quoting something usefull proves everything." and yes thats a quote I don't remember who though... "You can easiely prove something using quotes, however then you only prove that you have a good memory." - Bohr
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I hate quotes.
Mainly because some 'punk' wannabe annoyance on my nex always posts them in her blog to sound smart or deep, when really, she's just making me scroll through a paragraph of bullshit I don't care about and doesn't even move me in the slightest.

Movie quotes are cool though.
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Posted 7/27/08
some quotes have some value when used right, but aren't always true. how seriously a quote is to be taken should depend on the concept the quote is meant to convey and not just the fact that it's a quote. for example i could say "final solution lol wut i am a bannana" and it would be a quote, but would it have any value? of course not! a quote is just something someone said once. it could even could be considered to be intellectual weakness to rely too heavily on quotes due to relying on what someone else said instead of being able to express things with your own words.
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Posted 7/27/08
quotes are awesome. they rule my life!
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Posted 10/31/08
QUOTES give us inspirations just like love quotes..
hehehe

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TC

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whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent

by ludwig wittgenstein....

you can't truly perceive this unless you experienced the misery of the consequence of saying anything you wish.......
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Posted 11/2/08
Quotes prove points all the time, as people already said, they win arguments so they help prove your points. This is a pretty simple concept...
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Posted 11/2/08
BY PERSISTENTLY REMAINING SINGLE, I AM SLOWLY CONVERTING MYSELF INTO A PERMANENT

PUBLIC TEMPTATION.. AHAHA
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Posted 11/3/08
I use quotes because the person who said it thinks similarly to me, or simply because I like it
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