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Thanks, Mike for those kind words. I do work my butt off. I am thoroughly convinced that the church at large is not used to an analytical approach in doing systematic theology, and its result is cataclysmic: it often leads to a bad way of interpreting the Bible and ultimately, bad ethics.[1] What I try to do is incorporate a critical thinking method in analysis, leading to a systematic way of doing theology.[2]

[1]For more info, See J.P. Moreland's Love Your God With All Your Mind: The Role of Reason in the Life of the Soul , chapters 1-3.
[2]This story is not only the focus in historical theology (that is, theology in its evolution through church history), but of its method in our most recent history with writers like B.B. Warfield, Cornelius Van Til, Berkouwer, Herman Bavinck, Charles Hodge, to name a few.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that my pastor, along with great minds of Christian pastors and theologian came out with the new book (it isn't light fodder) called, Reforming or Conforming. They all deal with the emergent movement that is sweeping Christianity, and with McLaren in particular. And let me tell you, this movement is dangerous. So please, pick up your own copy today at http://wtsbooks.com. It is by Ronald N. Gleason (my pastor).
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I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)
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I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


Ahh stick. Med si. has resonly found that Most homosexuals have a defc in the brain. Also that it maybe curabal. Of cours the homosexual comunity attack that with all of there might. As being a sin. It writen in the old testment that it was. In the New testment Paul spoke out againts it. I my self hate the sin of homosexuality but, not the person. I veiw them as some one that is sick. Oh and the dead sea documents show that old testment has not changed one bit in thousands of years.
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I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


EXCUSE ME?! People like you? Where do you get off?! I'm christian though I'm not what you call a pure I wasn't raise Christian but you dare say all Christians judge homosexual. That's very offenive. Have you ever read this whoel thing or did yo ujsut throw in your two cents? Well?
NOT all christians judge, hate or discrimate agaisnt gay, bisexuals, trisexuals or trans. If they do they're not Christian! It says do not judge unless yee be judged! No Christian has the right to say you're going to hell because you're gay. Cause that will be used against them. Jesus wants us to befriend everyone and love everyone.
I have plently of bisexual and gay friends and I lvoe them all them save for who their are. I agree that some are born gay but I also think some are changed or choose to be gay. Have yo uever thought that maybe you're doing the same thing you hate people doing to you. You're judging before you even know. Not all Christians are like that. Unforntantely most are but not all. Those who are homophobic and hate, judge will get what's coming to them. But don't hate everyone just because a few stupid idiots.
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Jellybean123 wrote:

I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


EXCUSE ME?! People like you? Where do you get off?! I'm christian though I'm not what you call a pure I wasn't raise Christian but you dare say all Christians judge homosexual. That's very offenive. Have you ever read this whoel thing or did yo ujsut throw in your two cents? Well?
NOT all christians judge, hate or discrimate agaisnt gay, bisexuals, trisexuals or trans. If they do they're not Christian! It says do not judge unless yee be judged! No Christian has the right to say you're going to hell because you're gay. Cause that will be used against them. Jesus wants us to befriend everyone and love everyone.
I have plently of bisexual and gay friends and I lvoe them all them save for who their are. I agree that some are born gay but I also think some are changed or choose to be gay. Have yo uever thought that maybe you're doing the same thing you hate people doing to you. You're judging before you even know. Not all Christians are like that. Unforntantely most are but not all. Those who are homophobic and hate, judge will get what's coming to them. But don't hate everyone just because a few stupid idiots.


I agree completely- Most but not all, exactly why I said 'so many of you' rather than 'all of you'. Also I thought I made it pretty clear this was aimed at, to quote myself:
(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread).
You are actually one of the few Christians I might be able to see eye to eye with, please don't take offense as so long as you aren't being a discriminating moron I have no problem with you whatsoever.
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Jellybean123 wrote:

I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


Ahh stick. Med si. has resonly found that Most homosexuals have a defc in the brain. Also that it maybe curabal. Of cours the homosexual comunity attack that with all of there might. As being a sin. It writen in the old testment that it was. In the New testment Paul spoke out againts it. I my self hate the sin of homosexuality but, not the person. I veiw them as some one that is sick. Oh and the dead sea documents show that old testment has not changed one bit in thousands of years.


Please don't view it as an 'illness' or a 'disease' that needs to be cured. There is nothing wrong with being gay hence it is very offensive to consider them diseased.
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I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


EXCUSE ME?! People like you? Where do you get off?! I'm christian though I'm not what you call a pure I wasn't raise Christian but you dare say all Christians judge homosexual. That's very offenive. Have you ever read this whoel thing or did yo ujsut throw in your two cents? Well?
NOT all christians judge, hate or discrimate agaisnt gay, bisexuals, trisexuals or trans. If they do they're not Christian! It says do not judge unless yee be judged! No Christian has the right to say you're going to hell because you're gay. Cause that will be used against them. Jesus wants us to befriend everyone and love everyone.
I have plently of bisexual and gay friends and I lvoe them all them save for who their are. I agree that some are born gay but I also think some are changed or choose to be gay. Have yo uever thought that maybe you're doing the same thing you hate people doing to you. You're judging before you even know. Not all Christians are like that. Unforntantely most are but not all. Those who are homophobic and hate, judge will get what's coming to them. But don't hate everyone just because a few stupid idiots.


I agree completely- Most but not all, exactly why I said 'so many of you' rather than 'all of you'. Also I thought I made it pretty clear this was aimed at, to quote myself:
(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread).
You are actually one of the few Christians I might be able to see eye to eye with, please don't take offense as so long as you aren't being a discriminating moron I have no problem with you whatsoever.


Gosh no! When I was younger I enjoy aurging with my Christian friend espeically on this subject. But now I'm more educated now and can really aurge though she ingores the truth. It is stated some where in there that this deed may be a crime. Don't freak on me for sayign that. I've taken much interest in this subject. Like I said everyone will have to meet their maker eventaully, who ever that will be and deal with their past.
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I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


Having looked at the MDA and the Medical Journal of Psychology, there is no--I repeat, no--psychologist or geneticist that believes your thesis. Even the most stringent atheist who repudiates anything relating to religion would grant that. To say that gays are born gay also runs the risk of saying that it is a genetic disease: are you saying that those "infected" with the so-called gay gene are a cancer to society? That is how your thesis runs. There are those medical anomalies that demarcate (or pinpoint) a hormonal imbalance. Do you want to call these cases "normal." I think the best argument the gay community has against the Christians is that homosexuality isn't a sin. If you're smart, you'd start there. Good luck trying to prove it, though. I will guarantee you that I will not make your job easy.
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I want to quickly note that Stickmania is not inclined to openly dialogue the issue. He, or she, is so concerned with the spreading their radicalism of homosexuality that he or she submits to slanderous language, e.g., "you people make me sick"; "bankrupt jackasses." Copi, a logician who wrote a key textbook on Logic, writes that such language is submitted when he or she has no intellectual basis (Copi & Cohen, Introduction to Logic, 9th Ed., pp. 122-124).
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... okay who brought a dead thread to life? I haven't been on crunchyroll for a good 4 or 5 months and this thread is still going? sheesh. give it a rest already.

Homosexuality is not something that one can change about themself. I know quite a few homosexual christians who, all they do is, abstain from homosexual activities. It's a matter of choice for the individual, whether they choose to live that lifestyle or not. It shows a lot of character for someone to abstain from something that comes naturally for them. God loves man. pure and simple. God hates anything to do with sin including thoughts of sin, but he does not hate the sinner. martinez, dont take scripture out of context. Roman's 9 only refers to specifics. Most homosexuals are a hell of a lot nicer than other people, especially a lot of christians I know. Get to know a few and you might change your mind. Homosexually is something that people will never agree on, "is it bad or is it good?" Basically, if the person is a homosexual and a christian I would expect them to live out their lives in respect to what the Bible says, but if they're not christian who am I to judge their lifestyle or life choices. I have a lot in my own life to work through before I get to the point where I can start judging people... In fact I dont think I'll ever get to that point.
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I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


That's stereotyping homosexuals. I know straight people who constantly have to deal with that typecast because people think like that. Homosexuals are NOT physically different. I know a vast number of homosexuals and they would be very hurt if they read that comment. Most of them are not like that, this stereotype was created by the media and has negatively affected peoples views on homosexuals. It's kinda like the Jewish stereotype or the typecasts that African-Americans have big lips. It's hurtful. To clarify what I meant by no one is born a homosexual is that I assume God would not let you be created and have you sin against his word before you can even speak. I think it's more the Devil's hold on that person, trying make the gap between them and God bigger. Have them fail with having a relationship with God. Your right, we have no right to judge but I was not being judgemental in that post but you are being very judgemental if I may say so. Not only against Christians but also towards homosexuals. This forum was for us to state our views on homosexuality, they're opinions. Please don't rag on people and then do it yourself, cause that's hyprocritical and who wants to be a hyprocrite? Ya, certain versions of the Bible have been modified, but at least were taking a risk and I think thats a key thing in life. The Bible's message isn't bad either, so I don't get what's so bad. If everyone took at least the values in the Bible the world be more peaceful. At least I'm taking a chance, all your doing is wasting your time on ragging peoples choice on how they're living. So you disagree on our lifestyle...alot of people disagree on things but they don't bring people down for it and tell them they're abosouletly wrong, no possible chance. There is a chance, You may be wrong. This arguement could go on like that because only 2 options 1) The Bible was made by some group of lunatics and it's all a lieing scheme hatched up by them or 2) The Bible is the word of God. So I am going to choose to have faith and believe. So I really hope you try not to be so negative. The Bible was the first book recorded so of course it was modified to fit whoever who was in power (all around the world) views. Stalin did the same thing to the history books, took credit for what his comrad did, took all the glory. In the end everything was corrected. Same with the Bible, some day Jesus will come back and on that day we will all be corrected.
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Jellybean123 wrote:

I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


Having looked at the MDA and the Medical Journal of Psychology, there is no--I repeat, no--psychologist or geneticist that believes your thesis. Even the most stringent atheist who repudiates anything relating to religion would grant that. To say that gays are born gay also runs the risk of saying that it is a genetic disease: are you saying that those "infected" with the so-called gay gene are a cancer to society? That is how your thesis runs. There are those medical anomalies that demarcate (or pinpoint) a hormonal imbalance. Do you want to call these cases "normal." I think the best argument the gay community has against the Christians is that homosexuality isn't a sin. If you're smart, you'd start there. Good luck trying to prove it, though. I will guarantee you that I will not make your job easy.


No dumbass, I am not saying they are a disease- (maybe you should have actually read my response to Ratman before posting)
I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with them whatsoever and that it is natural. Just because it is caused by genetics does not mean it is a disease or cancer- the difference between gay and straight is as simple as the difference between being born with blonde or brown hair or short or tall. Neither is a problem. it has been happening for millenia and gay people live very happy lives (assuming people like you can stop harassing them for ten seconds) And you and I have clearly seen some different medical journals but oh well sounds like your not the type to listen anyway. I actually have some friends who are gay and let me tell you it wasn't a 'choice' for them, i have asked them. Oh and Btw I also said that even assuming it is a choice to be gay what right do you have to judge them for it, seriously are you that arrogant? What you are doing is plain discrimination and there is no way you can get away with that by claiming 'its ok cos its my religion'.


Posted 12/6/08

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I want to quickly note that Stickmania is not inclined to openly dialogue the issue. He, or she, is so concerned with the spreading their radicalism of homosexuality that he or she submits to slanderous language, e.g., "you people make me sick"; "bankrupt jackasses." Copi, a logician who wrote a key textbook on Logic, writes that such language is submitted when he or she has no intellectual basis (Copi & Cohen, Introduction to Logic, 9th Ed., pp. 122-124).


Radicalism!? The hell are you smoking my views are what we call 'liberal' and 'accepting'. Sheesh. Oh and whatever Copi says I use such language when I'm pissed off about something. (although morally bankrupt is actually quite an accurate description not merely slander) It seems the more responses I receive from you Martinez the more you deserve everything I can throw at you.
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Stickmania wrote:


Jellybean123 wrote:

I personally believe no one is born homosexual. I think that it is the devil working inside there hearts. To me those previous sentences I wrote are commen sense (in my mind) but when my friends ask me about this and I say that its like they dont believe it. Do people really think they were born homosexual? Anyways, I have nothing against them. They have 2 eyes, 1 nose and a heavenly father who loves them even though they do wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. But then many christians are too. We sometimes lie, get pressured into situations and give into it (like stealing--which ive never done). The only difference is we ask for forgiveness. I've met homosexuals before and I think they are sweet people as long as they dont include me in what they do with whoever they like, Im good. I hate the fact that they are not welcomed inside some churches. For we are supposed to welcome every kind of folk--no matter what the sin they commit is. That is between them and god and not for christians to judge. I completely agree with everything aburairukia said. Everyone has different views but I hope everyone remembers that every individual christian's behaviour reflects on the full group of christians.


This is a prime example of why I can't get along with Christians. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY. It is in their genes and it is not a 'choice' therefore it is not a sin as it quite simply cannot be helped. Why would anyone choose to be gay anyway when all it brings them is discrimination from people like you? Have none of you noticed how gay people are physically different to a straight person? Higher voices, certain mannerisms and the like? Clearly you can't choose what you get in terms of your body can you. Arrgh! You guys make me sick sometimes you really do. Even if it was a choice then do you have any right to judge whether it is a sin or not? No you bloody don't you get on your high horses and say 'well I must be right cos it says it in the bible, a book which has been historically proven to have been modified many many times and mistranslated over the years to the point where we can no longer even hazard a guess as to what was actually in the original. Hell the stupid book even contradicts itself yet so many of you use it as an excuse to look down on people and judge them for their actions. You bunch of morally bankrupt jackasses.

(Please note that this is aimed not just at the person I quoted but also every single one of you who had the nerve to call homosexuality a sin in this thread)


Having looked at the MDA and the Medical Journal of Psychology, there is no--I repeat, no--psychologist or geneticist that believes your thesis. Even the most stringent atheist who repudiates anything relating to religion would grant that. To say that gays are born gay also runs the risk of saying that it is a genetic disease: are you saying that those "infected" with the so-called gay gene are a cancer to society? That is how your thesis runs. There are those medical anomalies that demarcate (or pinpoint) a hormonal imbalance. Do you want to call these cases "normal." I think the best argument the gay community has against the Christians is that homosexuality isn't a sin. If you're smart, you'd start there. Good luck trying to prove it, though. I will guarantee you that I will not make your job easy.


No dumbass, I am not saying they are a disease- (maybe you should have actually read my response to Ratman before posting)
I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with them whatsoever and that it is natural. Just because it is caused by genetics does not mean it is a disease or cancer- the difference between gay and straight is as simple as the difference between being born with blonde or brown hair or short or tall. Neither is a problem. it has been happening for millenia and gay people live very happy lives (assuming people like you can stop harassing them for ten seconds) And you and I have clearly seen some different medical journals but oh well sounds like your not the type to listen anyway. I actually have some friends who are gay and let me tell you it wasn't a 'choice' for them, i have asked them. Oh and Btw I also said that even assuming it is a choice to be gay what right do you have to judge them for it, seriously are you that arrogant? What you are doing is plain discrimination and there is no way you can get away with that by claiming 'its ok cos its my religion'.




Prove it. There is no geneticist that has done so, yet you make claims that they haven't made. Just because you assert a thing to be true doesn't make it true.
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