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Suicide is for the weak. It's for those who wants an easy way to escape from reality.


Is it? well to some extent that is. People to be defined as weak depends primarily on the events that has happened in their life. I give you an example, imagine this: all your family members died in a car accident, your boyfriend commits suicide because of an unknown problem and to put icing on the cake you failed to finish college because no one would support you anymore (knocks on wood). I know this is a little extreme but sh*t like this happens to others, i could add more if you still dont feel depress just thinking about it. But just imagine if it happens to you, what would you feel. Think about it. You cant say that all people who commit suicide are weak, it depends on what happened to them that led them to a state of depression. I agree though that some people who commit suicide are weak, these people are just whiny b*tches and think that life should be perfect. Im not saying suicide is the only solution for people who are severely depressed, Im just stating that you can't say their weak since you havent experience what they've felt.

BTW, i have never thought about killing myself nor have i tried. And i havent experienced anything cruel enough to make me feel depressed. I just put myself in the position of others and that way i can feel empathy for them.
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kitoka wrote:

Suicide is for the weak. It's for those who wants an easy way to escape from reality.


Is it? well to some extent that is. People to be defined as weak depends primarily on the events that has happened in their life. I give you an example, imagine this: all your family members died in a car accident, your boyfriend commits suicide because of an unknown problem and to put icing on the cake you failed to finish college because no one would support you anymore (knocks on wood). I know this is a little extreme but sh*t like this happens to others, i could add more if you still dont feel depress just thinking about it. But just imagine if it happens to you, what would you feel. Think about it. You cant say that all people who commit suicide are weak, it depends on what happened to them that led them to a state of depression. I agree though that some people who commit suicide are weak, these people are just whiny b*tches and think that life should be perfect. Im not saying suicide is the only solution for people who are severely depressed, Im just stating that you can't say their weak since you havent experience what they've felt.

BTW, i have never thought about killing myself nor have i tried. And i havent experienced anything cruel enough to make me feel depressed. I just put myself in the position of others and that way i can feel empathy for them.


Yeah right, that's why I said "..who wants an easy way to escape from reality."
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People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.

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digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.
Posted 2/20/09

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kitoka wrote:

Suicide is for the weak. It's for those who wants an easy way to escape from reality.


Is it? well to some extent that is. People to be defined as weak depends primarily on the events that has happened in their life. I give you an example, imagine this: all your family members died in a car accident, your boyfriend commits suicide because of an unknown problem and to put icing on the cake you failed to finish college because no one would support you anymore (knocks on wood). I know this is a little extreme but sh*t like this happens to others, i could add more if you still dont feel depress just thinking about it. But just imagine if it happens to you, what would you feel. Think about it. You cant say that all people who commit suicide are weak, it depends on what happened to them that led them to a state of depression. I agree though that some people who commit suicide are weak, these people are just whiny b*tches and think that life should be perfect. Im not saying suicide is the only solution for people who are severely depressed, Im just stating that you can't say their weak since you havent experience what they've felt.

BTW, i have never thought about killing myself nor have i tried. And i havent experienced anything cruel enough to make me feel depressed. I just put myself in the position of others and that way i can feel empathy for them.


Eeeh... your example is bad.


your boyfriend commits suicide because of an unknown problem

There's a saying, "there's always fish in the sea." If it's not meant to be, then it's not meant to be.
It's just a bf, not a husband that you have been together for long periods of time.
Heck, thru the years of being together, even couples can't even stand one another.
Failed to re-ignite the spark they used to have during their dating days and newly wed days.
Failed to get over that physically beauty won't last long.
Failed to realize that people can change before you even know it. You're not a mind reader. That kind person you know yesterday might turn icy-cold the next day.
"I turn my head to the east, I see nobody by my side. I turn my head the west, still nobody in side. So, I turn to the north, swallow that pill and make a ride. That old days dead and gone. Let's make it right." :P


to put icing on the cake you failed to finish college because no one would support you anymore (knocks on wood).

Ever heard of applying for scholarships and pell grants?
Not to mention, it doesn't matter how long you finish your degree. Just finish it.
There's a lot of middle-aged people that still go to college. Heck, even people that are even in their 50s.
A lot of people switch to 2-3 degrees till they find what they're looking for and settle on it.
Take a part-time job at night, take classes during the day.
Take online classes.


I know this is a little extreme

No. That was a mediocre example.

I get what you saying though that there's an extreme situation that you end up committing suicide.


Here's a good one:
- a mother coming back thru a burning 3rd story building to save her 1-month old daughter.

The mother just came back from work and groceries just to find this horrible setting.
The baby sitter is dead for protecting the baby [probably due to inhaling too much CO or worse].
The fire was already spreading like wild fire. But with all that, the baby is still alive and making a loud cry for help.

If she's really is the mother of that child and really loves that child, she won't double think for a sec nor hesitate to go inside that burning building just to save her baby. Fire fighters will stop her because it's suicidal. She might die doing that, but she will still do it.
She already lived to experience the happiness, the sadness, sex, marriage, school years, etc. It's really kinda sad to that mother that her daughter won't experience those things if this burning building is the only thing that stands as an obstacle.


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Ciaosu! n_n I've to admit that I'm very bored over here, so I made this random thread. I hope it's not a duplicate because I've checked through and found none in the first few pages.
Anyway, if you have a desire to discriminate, I suggest you report my thread to the mod than pouring out your shit here.

Here's the question! ''If a guy points a gun at you and your mom and he says : I'm killing only one person. The decision must be made by the child in five minutes time.''

So, what'll be your answer to it?


My parents would definitely say "shoot us, not my son. He's still young and he still does not experience the full fun and sadness of life yet. On the other hand, we [parents] are already old and experience all the things a normal person should already have experience."
Yea. They always say that when we're not sure if the left over foods are still good to eat. xD

They'll say, "it's better if your parents get food poisoned [diarrhea] instead of you son. We're old." Then, they gulped and swallowed all the good foods in front of me. xD

Note: I like to eat cold pizza.
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Suicide is for the weak. It's for those who wants an easy way to escape from reality.


Sometimes suicide is the only answer. Read the post on top of this post.


Do you want to keep on living while living in excruciating pain with intestinal cancer?

No pain killers could help. Even if there is, it's regulated with policies and laws [e.g., US policies and laws].
The person is actually not receiving enough of what he/she really needs.

So, how would you stop the excruciating pain then?
Diversion and imagery away from the pain can only do so much. Not so much.
Would you resort jumping off from the tallest building you can find?
Or just keep on sucking up no matter how intense the pain will get on the next day then the next day then the next day, blah?







Instead of saying, "Suicide is for the weak."
I would rather say "being bipolar or having multiple personalities is for the weak."
Posted 2/20/09 , edited 2/20/09

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Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


I really don't get this.

So, you telling me if I was really depress then I decided to pop open the bible and read it, I'll be happy?
Like how? With nice, sweet words with sugar-coating on top?


Was there a story in the bible where this guy used to be blessed and happy?
Then, suddenly god decided to take it all away to see if the guy was loyal to him.
The harvest was infested and ruined. All of his family members died due to a twister, except him.
He lost all his employees and friends.
He became poor and famished.
Then, he developed a terrible disease.

Still, the guy looked above and stated, "this is the will of god. he's testing me."

That's the end of the story.

It didn't continue to explain whether the guy lived happily again or god did something nice again.


That's just sad.
The hell is that?
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kyoukoujin wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


I really don't get this.

So, you telling me if I was really depress then I decided to pop open the bible and read it, I'll be happy?
Like how? With nice, sweet words with sugar-coating on top?


Was there a story in the bible where this guy used to be blessed and happy?
Then, suddenly god decided to take it all away to see if the guy was loyal to him.
The harvest was infested and ruined. All of his family members died due to a twister, except him.
He lost all his employees and friends.
He became poor and famished.
Then, he developed a terrible disease.

Still, the guy looked above and stated, "this is the will of god. he's testing me."

That's the end of the story.

It didn't continue to explain whether the guy lived happily again or god did something nice again.


That's just sad.
The hell is that?


I am telling you that if you believe in Jesus and read the Word of God, you will find hope and peace. Psa 36:7 How priceless is your unfailing love! Both high and low among men find refuge in the shadow of your wings. You will be happy because you know there is a God who cares for you and has a purpose for your depression and suffering. Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.I personally find Psalm 91 http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=91&v=1&t=NIV#top and Psalm 34 http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=34&v=1&t=NIV#top These chapters personally bring great joy and encouragement to me when I am in times of need or depression . God is faithful and hears our prayers, He delivers us according to His will. God never promised that once we are saved that our lives become rainbows of sunshine and easy going, in fact Jesus promises that we will suffer. However, we have hope in heaven and hope on earth that everything is in God's Loving Hands and that He delivers His children.

The story you are talking about is the story of Job. It wasn't God who took anything away from him, it was the devil. Job 1:6 One day the angels [fn] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan [fn] also came with them.
Job 1:7 The Lord said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the Lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Job 1:8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
Job 1:9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied.
Job 1:10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.
Job 1:11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.


Satan wanted to try and show God that Job only loved Him because God had blessed Him, God allowed the devil to afflict Job and test Him. All the things you said did come true, Job's children had all died, all his wealth was lost, he was stricken with boils and sickness, his wife told him he should curse God and die, his friends came to help him but they instead accused him of sin and rejected him. Through it all Job never cursed God. Job did curse the day he was born and wish to die, but God spoke to Him and told him how He is sovereign. He told Job and questioned Him. The conversation is in Job 38-42 and you can read it here http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038-42&version=31

This is how the story ended. Job understood God's power and knew that He was sovereign and in control of all things and created all things. Job humbled himself before God's power and realized how small he is and how he did not deserve the things he had previously. God then blessed Job again with double what he had before and gave him a long life. *Note, when it says "Over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him" is not saying that God directly did these things, it means that God had allowed them to happen and blessed him with more than what was taken initially.* Job 42:7-17 7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job's prayer.
10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver [a] and a gold ring.
12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so he died, old and full of years.
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digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


Digs, you may think god healed your heart. But come on be real, he didn't actually heal your heart you did by yourself. The idea of a God their is an illusion. The bible is just a book of legends, its make believe. Dont just read things and believe it without questioning.

Posted 2/20/09

digs wrote:


kyoukoujin wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


I really don't get this.

So, you telling me if I was really depress then I decided to pop open the bible and read it, I'll be happy?
Like how? With nice, sweet words with sugar-coating on top?


Was there a story in the bible where this guy used to be blessed and happy?
Then, suddenly god decided to take it all away to see if the guy was loyal to him.
The harvest was infested and ruined. All of his family members died due to a twister, except him.
He lost all his employees and friends.
He became poor and famished.
Then, he developed a terrible disease.

Still, the guy looked above and stated, "this is the will of god. he's testing me."

That's the end of the story.

It didn't continue to explain whether the guy lived happily again or god did something nice again.


That's just sad.
The hell is that?


I am telling you that if you believe in Jesus and read the Word of God, you will find hope and peace. Psa 36:7 How priceless is your unfailing love! Both high and low among men find refuge in the shadow of your wings. You will be happy because you know there is a God who cares for you and has a purpose for your depression and suffering. Jer 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.I personally find Psalm 91 http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=91&v=1&t=NIV#top and Psalm 34 http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=34&v=1&t=NIV#top These chapters personally bring great joy and encouragement to me when I am in times of need or depression . God is faithful and hears our prayers, He delivers us according to His will. God never promised that once we are saved that our lives become rainbows of sunshine and easy going, in fact Jesus promises that we will suffer. However, we have hope in heaven and hope on earth that everything is in God's Loving Hands and that He delivers His children.

The story you are talking about is the story of Job. It wasn't God who took anything away from him, it was the devil. Job 1:6 One day the angels [fn] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan [fn] also came with them.
Job 1:7 The Lord said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the Lord, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
Job 1:8 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil."
Job 1:9 "Does Job fear God for nothing?" Satan replied.
Job 1:10 "Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land.
Job 1:11 But stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face."
Job 1:12 The Lord said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger." Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.


Satan wanted to try and show God that Job only loved Him because God had blessed Him, God allowed the devil to afflict Job and test Him. All the things you said did come true, Job's children had all died, all his wealth was lost, he was stricken with boils and sickness, his wife told him he should curse God and die, his friends came to help him but they instead accused him of sin and rejected him. Through it all Job never cursed God. Job did curse the day he was born and wish to die, but God spoke to Him and told him how He is sovereign. He told Job and questioned Him. The conversation is in Job 38-42 and you can read it here http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038-42&version=31

This is how the story ended. Job understood God's power and knew that He was sovereign and in control of all things and created all things. Job humbled himself before God's power and realized how small he is and how he did not deserve the things he had previously. God then blessed Job again with double what he had before and gave him a long life. *Note, when it says "Over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him" is not saying that God directly did these things, it means that God had allowed them to happen and blessed him with more than what was taken initially.* Job 42:7-17 7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. 8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." 9 So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the LORD told them; and the LORD accepted Job's prayer.
10 After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before. 11 All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver [a] and a gold ring.
12 The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. 13 And he also had seven sons and three daughters. 14 The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch. 15 Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
16 After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation. 17 And so he died, old and full of years.


My mistake. The one I was talking about came from a Jew Bible.
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i don't want to commit suicide.... never tried it... and never will...
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If You keep looking at the past and wish to be someone else you'll never be happy
be satisfied with What you have and live happily .

my opinion:

according to my religion if you killed your self you'll go to hell and be killed there the same way you killed yourself for eternity never getting used to the pain

so its not an option to think about
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Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


Digs, you may think god healed your heart. But come on be real, he didn't actually heal your heart you did by yourself. The idea of a God their is an illusion. The bible is just a book of legends, its make believe. Dont just read things and believe it without questioning.



Faith is a difficult concept to understand Juki28, and only few are lucky enough to experience it.

I'm sorry that you lack that capacity, along with the capacity to accept people's beliefs no matter what they are. If digs believed God healed his heart; God healed his heart. Who is anyone to say he didn't? Many non-Christians like to criticize and insult Christians for what they believe to be "blind-faith", claiming they have an elitist bias, but whom in this situation is really being discriminate?
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I think it's very unwise.

Sure what was physically and mentally lost cannot be replaced, however, opportunities for change are vast.

Life is only as difficult as you make it out to be.
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Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


Digs, you may think god healed your heart. But come on be real, he didn't actually heal your heart you did by yourself. The idea of a God their is an illusion. The bible is just a book of legends, its make believe. Dont just read things and believe it without questioning.



Faith is a difficult concept to understand Juki28, and only few are lucky enough to experience it.

I'm sorry that you lack that capacity, along with the capacity to accept people's beliefs no matter what they are. If digs believed God healed his heart; God healed his heart. Who is anyone to say he didn't? Many non-Christians like to criticize and insult Christians for what they believe to be "blind-faith", claiming they have an elitist bias, but whom in this situation is really being discriminate?


I am not here to turn people down. I do not like to categorize myself in a certain organized religion because religion is silly. I am being as real as I can be talking with another human being. I agree that every human being deserves the right to choose what they want to believe. But as a species we cannot move forward without religion getting in the way. Its better to get to the point and be rational and think with reason, than to substitute with illusional thinking.

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