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Posted 2/20/09

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Suicide is for the weak. It's for those who wants an easy way to escape from reality.


Is it? well to some extent that is. People to be defined as weak depends primarily on the events that has happened in their life. I give you an example, imagine this: all your family members died in a car accident, your boyfriend commits suicide because of an unknown problem and to put icing on the cake you failed to finish college because no one would support you anymore (knocks on wood). I know this is a little extreme but sh*t like this happens to others, i could add more if you still dont feel depress just thinking about it. But just imagine if it happens to you, what would you feel. Think about it. You cant say that all people who commit suicide are weak, it depends on what happened to them that led them to a state of depression. I agree though that some people who commit suicide are weak, these people are just whiny b*tches and think that life should be perfect. Im not saying suicide is the only solution for people who are severely depressed, Im just stating that you can't say their weak since you havent experience what they've felt.

BTW, i have never thought about killing myself nor have i tried. And i havent experienced anything cruel enough to make me feel depressed. I just put myself in the position of others and that way i can feel empathy for them.


Eeeh... your example is bad.


your boyfriend commits suicide because of an unknown problem

There's a saying, "there's always fish in the sea." If it's not meant to be, then it's not meant to be.
It's just a bf, not a husband that you have been together for long periods of time.
Heck, thru the years of being together, even couples can't even stand one another.
Failed to re-ignite the spark they used to have during their dating days and newly wed days.
Failed to get over that physically beauty won't last long.
Failed to realize that people can change before you even know it. You're not a mind reader. That kind person you know yesterday might turn icy-cold the next day.
"I turn my head to the east, I see nobody by my side. I turn my head the west, still nobody in side. So, I turn to the north, swallow that pill and make a ride. That old days dead and gone. Let's make it right." :P


to put icing on the cake you failed to finish college because no one would support you anymore (knocks on wood).

Ever heard of applying for scholarships and pell grants?
Not to mention, it doesn't matter how long you finish your degree. Just finish it.
There's a lot of middle-aged people that still go to college. Heck, even people that are even in their 50s.
A lot of people switch to 2-3 degrees till they find what they're looking for and settle on it.
Take a part-time job at night, take classes during the day.
Take online classes.


I know this is a little extreme

No. That was a mediocre example.

I get what you saying though that there's an extreme situation that you end up committing suicide.


Here's a good one:
- a mother coming back thru a burning 3rd story building to save her 1-month old daughter.

The mother just came back from work and groceries just to find this horrible setting.
The baby sitter is dead for protecting the baby [probably due to inhaling too much CO or worse].
The fire was already spreading like wild fire. But with all that, the baby is still alive and making a loud cry for help.

If she's really is the mother of that child and really loves that child, she won't double think for a sec nor hesitate to go inside that burning building just to save her baby. Fire fighters will stop her because it's suicidal. She might die doing that, but she will still do it.
She already lived to experience the happiness, the sadness, sex, marriage, school years, etc. It's really kinda sad to that mother that her daughter won't experience those things if this burning building is the only thing that stands as an obstacle.


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Ciaosu! n_n I've to admit that I'm very bored over here, so I made this random thread. I hope it's not a duplicate because I've checked through and found none in the first few pages.
Anyway, if you have a desire to discriminate, I suggest you report my thread to the mod than pouring out your shit here.

Here's the question! ''If a guy points a gun at you and your mom and he says : I'm killing only one person. The decision must be made by the child in five minutes time.''

So, what'll be your answer to it?


My parents would definitely say "shoot us, not my son. He's still young and he still does not experience the full fun and sadness of life yet. On the other hand, we [parents] are already old and experience all the things a normal person should already have experience."
Yea. They always say that when we're not sure if the left over foods are still good to eat. xD

They'll say, "it's better if your parents get food poisoned [diarrhea] instead of you son. We're old." Then, they gulped and swallowed all the good foods in front of me. xD

Note: I like to eat cold pizza.



Your missing the point. I made the example for the people who has not experience anything extremely depressing in their life. For them that example is extreme. I can provide a more depressing situation if you want, like on top of all that ive stated she got raped by 5 men and no one would believe her and then her house was burnt by some thief, i could go on, but again that is a little extreme for the majority.
Dont even try to rationalize the alternatives that she may take, because not everyone thinks rationally in that kind of situations, most just act. And my point circles around feeling of extreme depression and putting yourself in the position of others. A person must not judge or label another as weak without even thinking of the experience that that person has gone through.

And for the example that you made, that is not the kind of suicide that i was talking about. And most people dont even think about that as suicide but rather bravery. But i get what you mean, it is still suicidal but not the type of suicide that most of the people here are thinking about.

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Posted 2/20/09

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kitoka wrote:

Suicide is for the weak. It's for those who wants an easy way to escape from reality.


Sometimes suicide is the only answer. Read the post on top of this post.


Do you want to keep on living while living in excruciating pain with intestinal cancer?

No pain killers could help. Even if there is, it's regulated with policies and laws [e.g., US policies and laws].
The person is actually not receiving enough of what he/she really needs.

So, how would you stop the excruciating pain then?
Diversion and imagery away from the pain can only do so much. Not so much.
Would you resort jumping off from the tallest building you can find?
Or just keep on sucking up no matter how intense the pain will get on the next day then the next day then the next day, blah?







Instead of saying, "Suicide is for the weak."
I would rather say "being bipolar or having multiple personalities is for the weak."


Pain killers can relieve cancer pain, whatever type of cancer that is. Morphine and other opioid analgesics are used commonly used with caution because of possible dependecy for severe pain. It is regulated by the law, since those are schedule drugs, meaning extremely addictive. Surgery is another option, but for cancers that have metastasized (spread) to other organs it is only a palliative solution (meaning providing only relief and discomfort but not getting rid of the cancer entirely, and a means of prolonging life). After the palliative surgery, the person will be given chemotherapy and drugs for pain relief.

But yeah i get what you mean, hehe, im just playing. In a sitaution, where an individual with end stage cancer experiences pain and he has no one to go to for financial support to pay for expenses ive stated above, he may want to commit suicide and noone cant argue with that. Props for the good example. Although, the higher rate of suicide are those with extreme depression rather than pain.

And for you saying that bipolar and having multiple personalities are weak, and you may also think that schizophrenics, people with MDD (major dperssive disorder), PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder), cyclothymic disorder, Schizophreniform, etc.. are also weak. Again if you read post above, it is wrong to label them as weak, since you are not in their situation.
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I could not buy a gun..
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Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


Digs, you may think god healed your heart. But come on be real, he didn't actually heal your heart you did by yourself. The idea of a God their is an illusion. The bible is just a book of legends, its make believe. Dont just read things and believe it without questioning.



I know that I didn't do it, because my way of dealing with things was to self mutilate, drink/smoke, and hate the world around me. I know God healed me because He placed an awesome person in my life who helped turn me around, and God placed that person in my life for a reason. Three years later down the road God is doing cool things through our friendship and working towards an awesome future. Lately God has been showing me things in the Bible that I prayed I would get answers to and understand. I know this is God's doing. Also, part of Christianity is the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God. It works in the lives of Christians and convicts our hearts and turns men to God (among many other amazing things). The things that are happening in my life can't be explained by my doing, because I didn't set these things up and I didn't make them happen. I understand how some people can get caught up in the emotion of the moment and get carried away by things, but i sincerely believe that it was Jesus who healed my heart and has put me where I am now, in my life and the things I have been learning/seeing proves it to me personally. I know it is Jesus who started something and is going to finnish it. If you want I can PM you some of the ways God has been working in my life. Some may say it is extreme coincidence, but I know it is God working in my life.
Posted 2/22/09
the closest i've come was thinking of stabbing myself with a knife
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I could not buy a gun..


are u serious??
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CptJackSwallows wrote:

I could not buy a gun..


are u serious??


yes
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I find it a selfish act, your loved ones need your presence even if you think they don't care or they detest you...someone still cares for you and it might not be obvious. Give it a few more years and you'll understand what I'm saying, I almost did it too because of so many reasons...
but the thought of my sisters who were really just kids back then, needing someone older in their lives to guide them at a stage where I felt so alone and misunderstood, it kept me from committing suicide. Erhm, I hope that made sense. But sometimes, I think some people needs medication too, since I had a friend who felt suicidal without her prescribed meds, even though she was 'perfectly normal' on the outside.

If you feel overwhelmed, meditate and pray. Celebrate things that you take for granted, and just wait for the time that you'll be an adult and be given the chance to run your life the way you want to.
It helps, trust me I've been there.
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I've never committed suicide ^____________________________^ (well, I wouldn be writing this if I had..)

Yea, i think suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do,nomatter how bad life becomes...
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I find it a selfish act, your loved ones need your presence even if you think they don't care or they detest you...someone still cares for you and it might not be obvious. Give it a few more years and you'll understand what I'm saying, I almost did it too because of so many reasons...
but the thought of my sisters who were really just kids back then, needing someone older in their lives to guide them at a stage where I felt so alone and misunderstood, it kept me from committing suicide. Erhm, I hope that made sense. But sometimes, I think some people needs medication too, since I had a friend who felt suicidal without her prescribed meds, even though she was 'perfectly normal' on the outside.

If you feel overwhelmed, meditate and pray. Celebrate things that you take for granted, and just wait for the time that you'll be an adult and be given the chance to run your life the way you want to.
It helps, trust me I've been there.


i dont think its selfish it all depends on thescenerio >< recently i attempted to kill myself for the 13th time >< and the only ppl that even BOTHERED to care were the police and the docters that revived me
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digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


Digs, you may think god healed your heart. But come on be real, he didn't actually heal your heart you did by yourself. The idea of a God their is an illusion. The bible is just a book of legends, its make believe. Dont just read things and believe it without questioning.



I know that I didn't do it, because my way of dealing with things was to self mutilate, drink/smoke, and hate the world around me. I know God healed me because He placed an awesome person in my life who helped turn me around, and God placed that person in my life for a reason. Three years later down the road God is doing cool things through our friendship and working towards an awesome future. Lately God has been showing me things in the Bible that I prayed I would get answers to and understand. I know this is God's doing. Also, part of Christianity is the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God. It works in the lives of Christians and convicts our hearts and turns men to God (among many other amazing things). The things that are happening in my life can't be explained by my doing, because I didn't set these things up and I didn't make them happen. I understand how some people can get caught up in the emotion of the moment and get carried away by things, but i sincerely believe that it was Jesus who healed my heart and has put me where I am now, in my life and the things I have been learning/seeing proves it to me personally. I know it is Jesus who started something and is going to finnish it. If you want I can PM you some of the ways God has been working in my life. Some may say it is extreme coincidence, but I know it is God working in my life.


Have you ever heard of the word probability or chance? Cause and effect? Or self discovery ?.. Their are Billions of people on this planet. The chances of you meeting or getting in touch with someone and bringing them into your life is likely to be high. Its the fact that your using the idea image of a God to explain things you don't know the answer to is really silly... Now their are alot of good things that the bible teaches but alot of wrong things as well. Every religion including Christianity has its own faults. Why? Because the bible is make believe by humans. The idea of a God is just an illusion, a symbolic image. Thats all.. Why would he care more about you and what happens in your life than the billions of people who died in this world. From innocent children to starvation, war, desease, disablilitys, proverty, death, rape, murder, etc...

Digs let me ask you a question. Alright, lets say God was real. If he was so Holy and great and powerful as everyone says he is, why doesn't he just diliberate or just wipe out all evil and its existence in this world? If he is so forgiving why did he even create hell in the first place? Have you ever questioned your faith or ask these kinda questions to yourself. Or did you just accept it like its the truth

Please think about it. I look forward to your honest reply.
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I used to think suicide was a "selfish act" myself because I never really understood it. To me, life could never be so horrible that you'd want to end it all. Things changed for me when my friends' brother killed himself by jumping off the balcony (we were on the 17th story, they lived one floor above us). I was 13 at the time and I'll never forget it.. years later, we found out that he had been put in jail for a month for being an accomplice to car theft (he was simply there with his friends when it happened). He was raped in jail and it psychologically and physically scarred him so much that he didn't eat for days. He was home for about a week before he finally killed himself.


This really prompted me to change my viewpoint, I also counseled at a crisis center when I was in high school and now I think I have a better understanding about suicide. It's a complicated thing, so think before you judge.
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i believe that everybody can go to heaven regardless of whet they do on Earth,
however if someone is a murderer or a sinner of some kind, they would go to less of a heaven,
remember, God's worst judgment is better than Hell's punishment.
perhaps heaven for the righteous is more specific to the likes and dislikes of the person in question,
while the sinner's heaven is more general, a nice place, but not necessarily catered to their personal liking
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Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:


Juki28 wrote:


digs wrote:

People have been through much pain and deep depression, there are ways out and there is joy for you to find through Christ who heals hearts and is the Author of Life. I can personally attest to this.


Im sorry to say but God is not real.



Well, you may have your opinion, but I know who healed my heart and has called me to do amazing things with my life. God's Love is Amazing and I give the glory to the one who has been glorified.


Digs, you may think god healed your heart. But come on be real, he didn't actually heal your heart you did by yourself. The idea of a God their is an illusion. The bible is just a book of legends, its make believe. Dont just read things and believe it without questioning.



I know that I didn't do it, because my way of dealing with things was to self mutilate, drink/smoke, and hate the world around me. I know God healed me because He placed an awesome person in my life who helped turn me around, and God placed that person in my life for a reason. Three years later down the road God is doing cool things through our friendship and working towards an awesome future. Lately God has been showing me things in the Bible that I prayed I would get answers to and understand. I know this is God's doing. Also, part of Christianity is the Holy Spirit, which is the Spirit of God. It works in the lives of Christians and convicts our hearts and turns men to God (among many other amazing things). The things that are happening in my life can't be explained by my doing, because I didn't set these things up and I didn't make them happen. I understand how some people can get caught up in the emotion of the moment and get carried away by things, but i sincerely believe that it was Jesus who healed my heart and has put me where I am now, in my life and the things I have been learning/seeing proves it to me personally. I know it is Jesus who started something and is going to finnish it. If you want I can PM you some of the ways God has been working in my life. Some may say it is extreme coincidence, but I know it is God working in my life.


Have you ever heard of the word probability or chance? Cause and effect? Or self discovery ?.. Their are Billions of people on this planet. The chances of you meeting or getting in touch with someone and bringing them into your life is likely to be high. Its the fact that your using the idea image of a God to explain things you don't know the answer to is really silly... Now their are alot of good things that the bible teaches but alot of wrong things as well. Every religion including Christianity has its own faults. Why? Because the bible is make believe by humans. The idea of a God is just an illusion, a symbolic image. Thats all.. Why would he care more about you and what happens in your life than the billions of people who died in this world. From innocent children to starvation, war, desease, disablilitys, proverty, death, rape, murder, etc...

Digs let me ask you a question. Alright, lets say God was real. If he was so Holy and great and powerful as everyone says he is, why doesn't he just diliberate or just wipe out all evil and its existence in this world? If he is so forgiving why did he even create hell in the first place? Have you ever questioned your faith or ask these kinda questions to yourself. Or did you just accept it like its the truth

Please think about it. I look forward to your honest reply.


I did think about probability or chance, but the chances are very very slim. I had known nothing about my friend, and the only reason we became friends was because one night we were both invited to a friend's birthday party. That night my parents who were going to give me a ride were not able to, and it happened that my friend's car had recently broken down but had another supplied to him. He overheard my conversation and was willing to drive 10min out of the way for me when he hardly knew me. What gets more interesting is that the odds of him giving me a ride and none of my other closer friends plays a role. I was closed off, but for some reason that 10min car ride turned into 2 hours and we just talked and talked and I (as a suicidal agnostic) was able to open up to him in ways no one else did (I truly believe it was the work of the Holy Spirit). The spark had started there, and that night I was still clinging to my agnosticism when I got home. I didn't accept Christ until I was broken and convicted. I understand that there are billions on the planet, but the odds of me meeting this person in this situation among these other people, and the fact that he is a pastors kid like myself and had gone through many of the same things I did (things that broke my faith) and then have him share the Truth with me is highly highly improbable. I truly believe it was the Holy Spirit working that we met that night, and that I even opened up t him. And honestly, more things have happened after I had accepted Christ that prove to me that He is Truth. If you want I will PM these things to you because some are rather personal. But I will say that these things cannot be explained in any other way accept that it was the Work of God.

What wrong things are there that are being taught in the Bible? And the things that are "wrong," who defined them this way? Christianity as manipulated by fallible man has had faults, but the teachings of Christ and the Bible are infallible. Those fallible beings (all humans) who deceived themselves into evil are due to the evil one (satan) and their own sinful nature trying to abuse that which is perfect. And God doesn't care more about me than others, in fact, God shows no favoritism Rom 2:10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. Rom 2:11 For God does not show favoritism. It was God's will that my friend reached out to me, and it is also God's will that He reaches out to others and all people (even through creation). It isn't that I am a favorite or that God Loves me more, it is just that I chose to respond to the Holy Spirit and repent so that God may forgive me and bring me into a relationship with Him (which is open to all people regardless of their pasts.) God didn't give me anything that He isn't willing to freely give to anyone else who asks (forgiveness). The things you listed in the world, starvation, poverty, war, etc... are they the works of God or the works of sinful man? Satan has power on earth as well and he uses it to bring about destruction. The Bible calls him a thief that wants to lie, steal, kill, and destroy. Wars start because of pride or greed, poverty is due in most cases to greed, starvation is largely due to greed and unwise national policies (the book of Proverbs offers wisdom). The problems in the world are due to mankind's sins and the works of the devil. It is true that God allows these things to happen, but is it wrong for us to reap what we sow and to chose sin whose master is death and whose helper is satan?

And to answer your last question, God did try to do that with the great flood. All the earth was perverse and sinful and only one family (Noah's family) although not being perfect still did believe and follow God. God had destroyed the world accept for Noah and his family whom God had saved by His Mercy. God created hell because He is Holy and cannot have sin within His presence. Sin is imperfect and wicked, God Hates sin and it is directly opposite of what God Wants or Wills. Hell exists as the second death, because God is Holy and being Holy won't have sin in His presence, He created a place for sin to dwell so that it may not be in His Perfect Holiness. Sin can't be in Heaven because that is where God is. Therefor hell is created as the punishment for sin out of God's Justice. However, this being said, all humans have sinned and are doomed to hell because of our sin. It is only because of God's Awesome Love and Grace that He was willing to suffer the penalty and pay the price so that we may be able to be forgiven. Jesus is God, and on the cross He took upon Himself all the sins of mankind and was rejected by God because He was bearing those sins. God the Father had to Forsake His Beloved Son (Love we cannot fathom that is even offered to us) so that we may be forgiven by the one who paid the price for our sins. This is the Greatest Act of Mercy in all creation! Hell exists and people do go there because of their sins, but they only go there because they have chosen to forsake the free gift that is salvation through Christ, who Loves us beyond what we can imagine.

If you wish to continue this I ask that if possible that we discuss over PM's because it brings the thread off topic.

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There have been times I've been so depressed, hopeless and frustrated with life that I've thought of ending my life. But I know I never could've done it. I'm too scared of death. Nowadays I'm feeling so much better and I guess most of the sadness I felt was just part of growing up.

In my country suicide is a huge problem and I feel like almost everybody knows someone who took their own life. In some way I understand how they feel. They might feel like there's no way they'll ever get better, the sadness and depression that goes on and on everyday and falling to sleep just to wake up feeling miserable again. Then suicide might sound like the only choice they have.

I used to think "suicide has nothing to do with other people" and "it's everybody's own choice if they wanna kill themselves". But it does affect other people. Friends and family, they will get hurt. I guess it's no use to preach about consequences to a person who is planning to die... In the other hand I wanna say suicide is selfish, but is it right for somebody just live for other people? I know, confusing... Sorry for bad English.

I guess the worst moment of my life is when I read my boyfriend's suicide letter and placed roses on his coffin. He left us all in misery, pain and anger. I guess I will never forgive him for what he did. I'm trying to understand but the pain is still too great.
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