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Posted 7/20/09 , edited 7/20/09

illincrux wrote:


digs wrote:


illincrux wrote:



So I guess what you're saying, is ultimately, if I leave this world with love in my heart as opposed to hate that I am forgiven?

I guess I can dig it in that respect (i am Buddhist though)...I just wish all Christians thought the way you do.


Actually (in all respect).... what I'm saying is all who have repented in Jesus's name and have been forgiven of their sins will go to heaven. Humans are sinful and we can't get ourselves into heaven, nor can we forgive our own sins. The thing keeping us out of heaven is sin, and the only way to remove it is through Jesus.


To put it into comparison to what others have suffered...Jesus dying for our sins is in no comparison to what others have endured during his time of endless pain upon the crucifix with his crown of thorns. Even though I'm no where near that point of being in pain day after day...why would I look to a being that can't even compair his own pain to others nor what I will endure when the time comes? I mean, I do realize it all results in death in the end, but what exactly is that one would want besides love from this being? What is that heaven has to offer that I haven't already experienced in real life? Where is heaven to begin with most especially? To sin or to not sin, why would one ask for forgiveness and what is the reward and why is there a reward?

I am taught true love is unconditional regardless of your actions in life.

Is it just a scapegoat for avoiding eternal damnation and to avoid suffering for all eternity without parol?


Jesus physical pain with the crucifixion was very great, but others had been crucified too and have died in other very painful ways. The focus isn't just on the physical pain that Jesus endured, but also on the emotional and most importantly, the spiritual. What I don't like about the Western World is that they have "Americanized" the Gospel and focus on things and ignore others of greater significance that might conflict with culture/comfort. Jesus did suffer intense physical pain with flogging by a cat of nine tails, by being beat by the guards, by the crown of thorns, by the cross, and many other physical tortures. However, Jesus also suffered emotionally. What we tend to ignore is the fact that Jesus had very close and very intimate (not sexual intimacy but emotional and relational) relationships in His life and with some of His disciples. Some may argue that Peter was Jesus' closest human relationship (although we can't confirm this, regardless, they were very close and loved one another very deeply). Jesus was rejected by all 12 of the disciples that said they loved Him and walked with Him for years. In the Bible it talks about Peter betraying Jesus in His hours of the crucifixion. Jesus told Peter that He would deny Him and that Satan had asked and planned to sift Peter as wheat (basically, tempting him and trying to get Him to fall and fail). To this Peter said that He would follow Jesus to prison and even to death. He was affirming and saying that His love for Jesus was great enough that He would die for Him and even go to prison for Him. However, Peter did deny Jesus to save his own skin, He even cursed in his defense and angrily bashed the charges that he was even seen with Jesus. Jesus suffered emotional pain by being rejected by those He loved deeply with His heart. They fled and rejected Him in His time of suffering. Most people know what that heartbreak is like when a friend or loved one rejects us, and Jesus felt that too. On the spiritual aspect. Jesus and God the Father are both God and are both one. they have never been separate throughout all existence and beyond. They have been in perfect relationship and perfect unity and have never been apart. God is Holy and cannot look upon sin (in the sense that sin cannot be in His presence). This is why if we have sin (which we all do) we go to hell, because it can't be in Heaven and with God because of His Holiness. His Holiness also demands that sin must be judged. Anyway, with that established, God the Father and Jesus who is God the Son were not united during the cross. God the Father had to Reject Jesus, to separate relationally from Him because Jesus took all sin upon Himself and was to atone for all sin. The Bible says that God will never ever ever leave us or forsake us, that we will always be loved and always have God to be with us and forgive us of our sins. Jesus was the exception. God the Father had to reject Jesus on the cross, and the Unity of God was broken for that time. Jesus was rejected by God and chose to be rejected because He took upon all of our sins and paid the price for them. The true penalty for sin is spiritual, and that penalty is separation from God. Hell is a place where God does not dwell, God is separate from hell and those there are truly forsaken and have absolutely no relationship with God because they cannot have a relationship with God. They have to be forsaken because of their sins. Jesus essentially lived through hell, in that He was truly forsaken by God. This is the ultimate heartbreak, the ultimate spirit crusher, to have been rejected by God because of sin. And to add to the fact, it was God rejecting Himself as the Son, and there has never been a break in their Unity until Jesus chose that because He Loves us that much. God Loves us enough to be forsaken by God Himself. To go through true hell and true loneliness and true spiritual death. Now, the Unity between God the Father and God the Son was restored when Jesus died and after sin was atoned for, but God was willing to break even that in order that we may receive forgiveness and not judgment for our sins. So that we won't have to be forsaken because of our sins. In God's Unconditional Love for us He provided a way that we may escape judgment and hell and have relationship with Him.

And heaven is beyond, we don't know where it is physically located. Heaven is where God is and dwells. I personally believe that it is beyond the physical world and not in the borders of the universe that God created our physical world. one asks for forgiveness because they want to be forgiven, they want their sins atoned for and they want to have a relationship with God. They don't want to have to atone for their own sins by being eternally separate from God. The reward for repentance is forgiveness, and it's also a free gift because we don't have to atone or suck up to God to be forgiven, Jesus has already atoned for all sins in their entirety, we just have to choose to have Him forgive us and remove our sins before God. He can forgive because He paid the price, and He has already paid everyone's price, it's up to us though to accept that gift and receive the forgiveness God has for us. We can reject it, God doesn't force us to be forgiven or to Love Him.

The Bible does talk about rewards in heaven, that what you do on earth will be a blessing to you in heaven. It talks about storing up heavenly rewards for eternity and not focusing on making this life our priority. Likewise, it talks about those who are forgiven but put all their stock into this life. God rewards us in heaven and sometimes on earth too, but we aren't to spend our lives chasing after wealth and power because they things are restricted to this temporary life and will not be ours in heaven.

@edit- we don't have the power to shape truth, what one person believes about heaven (or lack thereof) and what another believes about heaven or hell don't make it reality. Eternity isn't shaped by what we believe and want it to be. There is only One Truth that all humanity is bound by and cannot change. Those of other persuasions and beliefs are still bound by the Truth, and they believe a lie that will result in their judgment. One may believe in another religion and believe they are going to some form of paradise or heaven, but when they die they will be judged, and if they have not repented and received forgiveness they will go to hell, regardless of what they thought was right or what they thought the afterlife will be like. God is absolute, and Truth is absolute.
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Posted 7/20/09
'I am a Atheist, we have one life after that there is nothing so Hell if I kill my self. I have to be IN a neverending pain everyday on a bed not able to move to ever even think about death.

and even so I have to much respect for my single and only life so I would hardly think I ever kill my self.
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Posted 7/20/09
I believe that it's the choice of the person if they want to off themselves or not. They shouldn't be criticized for their choice. We have to go through that enough as it is in the living. Just leave them be. I would also like to add that it's pointless to say that you'll regret killing yourself if your choosing to do it. The only regret there should be after your dead is what you didn't get to do or finish.

I'll leave this as it it. Decipher it as you want, but I've said my part.
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Posted 7/21/09

Suicide is just a simple way of telling God, " u can't fire me, i already quit"
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Posted 7/21/09

When you feel like the world is against you, suicide does cross your mind and I am no exception. Wondering, how would I kill myself, what will happen afterwards etc. Although luckily I have never thought of going any further because frankly I don't think I would have the guts to even do it.
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Posted 7/21/09
Suicide is never nessessary, but some people see no way around it. It's terrible when someone see's their life as being so bad they find the thought of death to be comforting, but it can always be helped. Largely, I think it's very selfish since that decision will affect other people close to you. But then again, most everything we do can be considered selfish.
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Posted 7/21/09
That's awful. dear. =(. Sorry to hear you ever felt so down at any point of your life to even consider it.
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Posted 7/22/09
I pressed a knife against my throat and started bleeding..but then someone walked in I guess and stopped me from pushing.
Also I was about to take a whole bottle of someone elses pills, but eh..someone stopped me again.
Posted 7/23/09
Suicide is, rather, a second option to end the Hell which you call "Life". It's meaningless to the others, but for you, it means a lot if you're in the situation. Possibly, in a state where you're already pressing the edge of a knife at your throat. The only thing that you can think of is "Why the fuck did this happen to me anyway?". It's a rather conclusive choice where you'll rather endure the life you're in, or end it so you can just travel another world in terms of the Spiritual World.
In example would be the hardship of an Office Worker who lost everything because he got fired from some actions he didn't even do.
In this case, losing your love ones, your furniture, your house, and mostly your life would end up being in a Hell of a Life.
Such cases happens commonly around the world, and neither that people accepts the fact that somebody still needs them in the life in which was given to them.
It's a sad thing that people have to be in despair even though it's not their fault.
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Posted 8/4/09
this thread reminds me of the time my little sister tried to kill herself.she was hanging outside the 8th floor window and i was holding her by her elbows.....scaryest moment of my lifeT_T.
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Posted 8/4/09
i believe in heaven n hell
but i've thought about suicide a lot
since i'm just a kid, i wonder what would happen in the future
but in a world so rotten, i wonder if living on is worth anything
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Posted 8/14/09
never tried... never think about it...suicide.. that's creepy..
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Posted 8/14/09
Suicide is a simple way of telling God. "You can't fire me, I already quit"
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Posted 8/14/09
i have trying to suicide
and i eating a plate full of vegetables.
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Posted 8/16/09
i believe you go to hell for doing it.....and i love my life.
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