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What if it was -proven- that God -does- exist?
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There’s a thread about if God was proven not to exist. So I got curious. What would you do if say (picking from the largest religion) the Christian God was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? How about Allah? How do you think the world would react?

I think the Christians would start rubbing it in people’s face and gloating. None the less, I don’t think anybody would convert because of it. They would just say, “Well science is incomplete” ext. People ignore strong evidence supporting things all the time. Proof is just a baby step up. Honestly I think a notable fraction of atheists are only atheists because A. They have a prejudice against religious people. B. They’re a coward and don’t want to accept something better than them. Obviously there are also those who find God illogical. This group -may- convert, though I think most of them would stay in denial.

(To be fair, I think the numbers of atheists who don’t believe in God for logic sake, is about equal to the -real- Christians. Most religious people are using religion as a crutch, or are just pretending because it’s what mommy did, ext.)

Anyway, as a side note what do you think about this article?

http://www.selfknowledge.org/resources/press/nyt_eakin.htm

(Just so you know what the mathematical theorem is)
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http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bayes-theorem/
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wahaha... interesting take on pascal's wager...


fun trivia:

allah is just arabic for god... and jesus was mentioned several times in the koran as a great prophet (still not as great as mohammed but still pretty great according to muslims) in the arabic form "isa" of his jewish name "yeshua"...

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i think it will cause a very big problem for us humans/his creation..better yet..we might become God(s) ourselves because if you said that if God is proven then we might also find a way for us to be like God (and other stories so as follows) well that's what i think though..
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Posted 8/18/07

manzi wrote:

wahaha... interesting take on pascal's wager...


fun trivia:

allah is just arabic for god... and jesus was mentioned several times in the koran as a great prophet (still not as great as mohammed but still pretty great according to muslims) in the arabic form "isa" of his jewish name "yeshua"...



The Islamic image of God and the Christian image of God are entirely different. The trick that the Islamic faith is the same thing as the Christian faith is some of the stupidest crap ever. Pieces of the Christian bible were integrated into the Koran to win over Christians and Jews to their faith. However, most of the Christians and Jews shunned the absurd idea and saw it as a ploy.




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SeraphAlford wrote:

The Islamic image of God and the Christian image of God are entirely different. The trick that the Islamic faith is the same thing as the Christian faith is some of the stupidest crap ever. Pieces of the Christian bible were integrated into the Koran to win over Christians and Jews to their faith. However, most of the Christians and Jews shunned the absurd idea and saw it as a ploy.



that's why I said fun trivia... besides there was no mention of jesus in the talmud... and the bible we know today was simply tailor made under orders of constantine... not to mention all the christian practices we know today... jesus is mithra or horus or hercules wahahahaha

*googles* crap I was wrong about the talmud part...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/997317/posts

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Never really thought about it so as of now my answer is crappy.

I find the Divine command theory flawed, so meh.
"oh hi God" and I'll move on. Is not like I feel that ethical principles are strictly dependent upon such being.

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Eh, God never seemed to really "help" me, but then again, there are millions who worship him....wouldn't make much of a difference to me, I try not to depend on others for help.
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*copies what she wrote from other thread...edits a bit*

I doubt much would change. Loyal followers would still be living their lives as best as they could, and the evil would stay evil. They've been doing it for years, so why would things change because of what science tells us?

If you believe in God then you make an effort to live a good life. If you don't believe in God, you'll still probably make an effort to live a good life...why? Because everyone else is doing it of course, and its just easier to go along with the crowd. ^^'

There would still be those rebellious people who decide to go against the almighty God(s) just to prove they can. If anything the evil would get...eviler, just to make sure that they still have control over their own life.

edit: umm, and I didn't address the links because well...too many words, maybe later x)
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I'd go around quoting Russell: "Not enough evidence, God! Not enough evidence!"
Though his, "Why I am not a Christian" was merely ok. In chief, he misses the killer, that we have absolutely no personal experience of God. Though people are sure to tell you, "god works in mysterious ways" or "you have to be open to him" ... right.

Proof is an exceedingly tricky concept in the first place. If you have proved something to be true then you have demonstrated it to be true. Though that is no guarantee that people will realize that it is proven, as I have noted in the other thread. Lot of speculation going on in your post, so its meh. Not going to happen, but if...obviously if it was proven and I realized it I suppose I would follow god, etc, etc. As far as social consequences, people would actually start packing into chruchs, haha.
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whats the point of worshiping in someone if in the end.. nothing will happen?.. i mean.. if u depend on him.. nothing will happen at all.. thats why i always depend on myself.. if im in the wrong.. i blame myself.. what if u depended on him and something bad happens to u?.. will u blame him?..
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Oh god. What would I do if the almighty creator turned out to be real? I'd probably try begging for forgiveness. But even thinking about this, the rational side of me is screaming that this will never be the case. xD
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I'd hate him. Even if was proven that God does exist, he wouldn't be my god. How can you worship such an evil creature? I mean, read the bible! If he really exists, then he has murdered thousands of innocent people! Even children!
I mean Egyptians and such.

Well, it's just not right. If was proven that God does exist, I would be really open about the fact that I hate him.
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Hitoli wrote:

I'd hate him. Even if was proven that God does exist, he wouldn't be my god. How can you worship such an evil creature? I mean, read the bible! If he really exists, then he has murdered thousands of innocent people! Even children!
I mean Egyptians and such.

Well, it's just not right. If was proven that God does exist, I would be really open about the fact that I hate him.



The thing people don't quite get about the Bible is that it was written by PEOPLE, NOT GOD, HIMSELF (and I say "himself" for simplicity's sake, so don't get on my case about that, either). We know this because the authors' names are right there at the top of every page ("Matthew", "Mark", "Luke", "John", etc., ring any bells?)People are not perfect. They have flaws, more importantly, they have interests and agendas which tend to permeate their writing. If (hypothetically) Mark were a Chauvinist and disliked black (again, simplicity) people, this would be evident in his Gospel, even if he didn't intentionally write it that way, simply because that's the way he thinks.

God did not callously slaughter thousands of innocents. The story was written to show that the Pharaoh's stubborness led to his end, and thus, the moral of the story is "Pride goeth before a fall."

I consider myself to be a pretty faithful Jew and even I have serious doubts as to the content of the Bible (both Testaments). Take the Bible for what it truly is: a collection of fantastic stories which were written to impart a certain set of morals. Whether you agree with those morals is your own decision.
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if god was proven to exist hey, you mean like this?

"The Babel fish," said The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy quietly, "is small, yellow and leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy not from its carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish. "Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindboggingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. "The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.' "'But,' says Man, 'The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' "'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic. "'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing. "Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best- selling book Well That About Wraps It Up For God. "Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."
but seriously i would pity him/it i could never stand being personally responsible for every single life death horror and beauty in the world.
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i'd be amazed if god actually existed
but since he doesn't i don't really beleive in him
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