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What if it was -proven- that God -does- exist?
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Cuddlebuns wrote:


If you don't understand that, then there's no reason for me to try to make a point. Pass chemistry first, then I'll come back to this.


I passed my chemistry test with a 100 .

Again what's the difference?



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Well according to Real_ZERO, just being an atheist makes me evil. But I don't really think I'm such a bad guy, there's plenty of Christians in the world who have done much worse than I have (I even know a lot of them personally).


I don't remember that I called u evil... dude.
An atheist chose the devil's way,,,( The blaspheming)...this's my point.



Good Night..



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Real_ZERO wrote:
I passed my chemistry test with a 100 .

Again what's the difference?

I meant that I don't see any evidence of a deity controlling anything, I just see matter acting on it's own without any sort of guidance from a sentient being. Even though it is very organized and follows a lot of rules, there's no physical evidence that a god established those rules.




I don't remember that I called u evil... dude.
An atheist chose the devil's way,,,( The blaspheming)...this's my point.



Good Night..



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An atheists worship himself...[he obeys the devil side of him even if he doesn't notice or believe in it]


The devil is evil according to you. So if you think I, an atheist, worship him, then you must think I'm evil as well. Again, blasphemy is the act of disrespecting a religion in some way, and I don't do that intentionally. Unless not believing makes me blasphemous, in that sense atheism is a practice of blasphemy. But that would make everyone blasphemous, since no one believes in every religion.
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Am I debating about the existence of God? I asked you what an evil is, and please don't give me dictionary. Give something like diggs gave. Evil is sin, That's fine with me. I seriously don't understand the meaning of your evil as you generalize atheists as evil.
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Welcome again!

Cuddlebuns wrote:
I meant that I don't see any evidence of a deity controlling anything, I just see matter acting on it's own without any sort of guidance from a sentient being. Even though it is very organized and follows a lot of rules, there's no physical evidence that a god established those rules.


Try to cogitate:

-Why the stars don't fall into earth because of gravitation?
-What's the gravitation? not what's its done.
-Who upholds birds flying in the sky when they folding their wings in.?
Why human's plane can't fly with wings folded while birds can?




I will repeat the same question:

Is there a settled country without an adept king?



The same for the universe, which should been ruled and watched over by the God, who's all powerful, all knowing.




Cuddlebuns wrote:
The devil is evil according to you. So if you think I, an atheist, worship him, then you must think I'm evil as well. Again, blasphemy is the act of disrespecting a religion in some way, and I don't do that intentionally. Unless not believing makes me blasphemous, in that sense atheism is a practice of blasphemy. But that would make everyone blasphemous, since no one believes in every religion.



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Am I debating about the existence of God? I asked you what an evil is, and please don't give me dictionary. Give something like diggs gave. Evil is sin, That's fine with me. I seriously don't understand the meaning of your evil as you generalize atheists as evil.



The devil is not the evil ... I didn't say evil b4 tweety_cool requested me to define it.

What I have said is Satan and devil. ( You can return to my posts).

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What I meant since the beginning is:
Satan(Devil) who can put a human in the wrong by his whisper .
He is the 1st blasphemous, he tryies to slip all mankind into hell( made them blasphemous).



A little story,
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At a sunny day, before noon, A maid did laundry and hung it out in the garden. She told the gardener to pause the garden irrigation system. Then She took her siesta. In the evening, she find the laundry is wet.

She know that's because of the rain not of garden irrigation system, since the streets and roofs are wet as well.

=============
She didn't see the rain, didn't feel it, didn't hear it, but she know that the sky was raining by its evidences. She uses her brain well.

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1. Star has 'maintain" enough distance and force not to be attracted by the gravity of earth
2. A force/force field defined to explain free fall movement
3. If birds folding its wing forever, it will fall. So it fell a bit when it is folding its wing, nothing holding it up.
4. why humans plane don't fold? because it doesn't need to. It is designed differently.

Those things are awesome. But if you use your head, you'll realize you can't force your opinion that those things are proofs of God's existence.

Oh btw King is a very old system for a government. we have legislative that is as powerful as the executive now in some (most maybe) country. LOL
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tweety_cool wrote:

1. Star has 'maintain" enough distance and force not to be attracted by the gravity of earth
2. A force/force field defined to explain free fall movement
3. If birds folding its wing forever, it will fall. So it fell a bit when it is folding its wing, nothing holding it up.
4. why humans plane don't fold? because it doesn't need to. It is designed differently.

Can you make or design a plane which does like bird's movement?


tweety_cool wrote:
Those things are awesome. But if you use your head, you'll realize you can't force your opinion that those things are proofs of God's existence.



I'm not trying to force u, just wish u see the things as I see...
so ur heart find satisfaction as my.



tweety_cool wrote:
Oh btw King is a very old system for a government. we have legislative that is as powerful as the executive now in some (most maybe) country. LOL


Heh, I expected this comment : D , you know , man, there is no an adept king either...just on chess board.
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Real_ZERO wrote:


tweety_cool wrote:

1. Star has 'maintain" enough distance and force not to be attracted by the gravity of earth
2. A force/force field defined to explain free fall movement
3. If birds folding its wing forever, it will fall. So it fell a bit when it is folding its wing, nothing holding it up.
4. why humans plane don't fold? because it doesn't need to. It is designed differently.

Can you make or design a plane which does like bird's movement?


tweety_cool wrote:
Those things are awesome. But if you use your head, you'll realize you can't force your opinion that those things are proofs of God's existence.



I'm not trying to force u, just wish u see the things as I see...
so ur heart find satisfaction as my.



tweety_cool wrote:
Oh btw King is a very old system for a government. we have legislative that is as powerful as the executive now in some (most maybe) country. LOL


Heh, I expected this comment : D , you know , man, there is no an adept king either...just on chess board.


any reason to make one? we are able to fly already, much faster, and can contain more people

Being able to fly like one means you have to keep changing the pressure inside the mechanism. Anyone inside will die. Flying mechanism like bird is not efficient at all.

Btw, I can see what you see. I just hope you don't use it as argument. (use it to teach morals to your kids )
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Real_ZERO wrote:

Welcome again!

Cuddlebuns wrote:
I meant that I don't see any evidence of a deity controlling anything, I just see matter acting on it's own without any sort of guidance from a sentient being. Even though it is very organized and follows a lot of rules, there's no physical evidence that a god established those rules.


Try to cogitate:

-Why the stars don't fall into earth because of gravitation?
-What's the gravitation? not what's its done.
-Who upholds birds flying in the sky when they folding their wings in.?
Why human's plane can't fly with wings folded while birds can?


1. They're too far away to be attracted by Earth's gravitational pull.
2. Are you asking what is gravity? If so, then it's just a natural attraction between all matter due to various forces (magnetism, electrical charges, the way molecules are arranged, etc.)
3. Usually birds only fold their wings in while in midair when they need to dive, and they know how to pull out of a dive to avoid hitting the ground obviously. If you mean when they stroke their wings downward in flight, it is their momentum and the propulsion from that down stroke that helps them stay up for that brief moment.
4. It would be much too complicated to build a large machine like that, and it would be able to fly anyway. Birds are able to flap their wings to fly because they are light enough and their wings are strong enough to be able to lift them off of the ground. There's also some other forces going on, but I'm not sure what those are. Any flying machine built for human passengers would have to be large to able to support our weight, since we obviously can't stay in the air without a lot of effort and energy. Man-made flying machines have to use a fuel-based propulsion system to fly because we can't create large flapping wings that can move fast enough to support a large aircraft.

All of these are basic properties of physics (which I haven't even formally learned yet) and do not provide any physical evidence that any sort of divine being put them in place.



I will repeat the same question:

Is there a settled country without an adept king?

The same for the universe, which should been ruled and watched over by the God, who's all powerful, all knowing.


Matter acts according to set rules, it doesn't have any free will that needs to be kept in check for it's own good. Matter will always follow those rules unless something (humans) forces them to do otherwise. There aren't any noble gases in nature breaking those rules and reacting violently to create some matter-destroying substance. Human leaders exist to set boundaries for us so that we don't all go crazy and make life difficult for each other, or kill each other.

Basically, humans have free will which causes our behavior to vary to much to follow a set of rules and principles, so we need leaders to set boundaries to help keep us safe, matter doesn't.




The devil is not the evil ... I didn't say evil b4 tweety_cool requested me to define it.

What I have said is Satan and devil. ( You can return to my posts).

*****************
What I meant since the beginning is:
Satan(Devil) who can put a human in the wrong by his whisper .
He is the 1st blasphemous, he tryies to slip all mankind into hell( made them blasphemous).


In one of the links you posted, it stated that the devil was evil. You must agree with them since you used them as a source, so you must agree that he is evil. And please define what you think blasphemous means, because you keep using the word in a weird way.



A little story,
============
At a sunny day, before noon, A maid did laundry and hung it out in the garden. She told the gardener to pause the garden irrigation system. Then She took her siesta. In the evening, she find the laundry is wet.

She know that's because of the rain not of garden irrigation system, since the streets and roofs are wet as well.

=============
She didn't see the rain, didn't feel it, didn't hear it, but she know that the sky was raining by its evidences. She uses her brain well.



That's because she can see physical evidence that it rained. Again, there is no physical evidence that any gods exist. I'm not trying to say they don't exist, there may be some sort of evidence since so many people believe in them, but it can't be something we can observe physically. If there were, then everyone would believe in them.
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Satan(Devil) who can put a human in the wrong by his whisper .


I will give an example

This is the 1st night in Ramadhan(Month of fasting) for muslims, there is a prayer every night(Taraweeh prayer), I have just finished it.
During the prayer, Qur'an is recited, we need to listen to it with attention.
But Satan distract me by thinking about " What I will post in this thread after I finshed praying".


What I wann say is that every human, the devil (Satan) can effect on him, but the effect is various.

more about Satan and blaspheming,,



This is my last post here, I need to prepare to my travel to Makkah.



Here's Taraweeh prayer in Makkah 2007 ( fortunately it' was about Adam and Satan story)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CUW4RJa4JA&feature=related

More Qur'an



If u noticed, when they want to recite the Qur'ân
they say first:

a'oodhu billaahi minash-shaytaanir-rajeem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbkuBq0Mcw4&feature=related
which means:
I seek refuge in Allah(the god) from Satan, the outcast.
Shaytaani=Satan


A awesome reaction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bbTcJRN4NE&feature=related




Finally, Thank you guys,

"It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah(the god) guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance"*


Sayonara



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* It's in the Qur'an.
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We might not be able to guide everyone, but God certainly can. God is not a God of failure, and salvation is open to all. Here are some verses from The Holy Bible.

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in* the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Rom 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him-
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile-the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,
Gal 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

God loves everyone and extends His Loving Grace and Mercy to all nations and people. God knows who will be saved or not. But they go unsaved because of their God given free will, not because God doesn't care or creates people to be hopeless. God does not love Jews more than Gentiles and visa versa. God loves us all equally, and wants us all to become saved.

Here is another verse. Even during the time of the Jewish Law, God extended His Loving Hand to anyone who would accept the Truth, not just Hebrews.
Num 15:12
Do this for each one, for as many as you prepare.
Num 15:13
“ ‘Everyone who is native-born must do these things in this way when he brings an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the Lord.
Num 15:14
For the generations to come, whenever an alien or anyone else living among you presents an offering made by fire as an aroma pleasing to the Lord, he must do exactly as you do.
Num 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the Lord:
Num 15:16
The same laws and regulations will apply both to you and to the alien living among you.’ ”


I love my God, He is a God of Mercy. No other God shall I know but the Father through Jesus Christ the Son. This is welcome to all people of any race, previous religion, criminal past, future... anything. God extends His Loving Hand of Salvation and Grace to EVERYONE! God is so Good :)

About satan. The Bible pretty sums up his existance in this verse.
Jhn 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
satan is the thief. All he wants to do is have people reject God, live in sin, and glorify himself. Truthfully, all these things destroy us who are living. Sin and satan only destroy, and nothing good comes out of it... ever. The good news is, is that Jesus came so that we may be forgiven and "Live Life to the Fullest." Living sinless does not mean living dull, living through Jesus Christ is being free from sin, and being able to experience the gifts of God and a personal relationship with Him. This is living life to the fullest, it is living life the way God intended. God is all wise and knows that we find greater fulfillment this way over living in sin and gratifying ourselves. All we have to do is trust in God's plan, and just wait and see God will glorify Himself in your life! And that is an amazing thing!
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I don't believe we as mortals can prove or disprove the existence of an omniscient superbeing. We're talking about something that transcends existence alltogether, we don't have the reasoning capabilities to prove or disprove that. Personally, I am a Deist, I believe in a God, but as far as the numerous monotheistic religions out there, I'm not really a part of.
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What if God exist!? Let me think...mmm...well i got a idea. I've always believe the form of a God in my Heart, but (if under any circumstance) after showing himself I would have manys doubt. It best if do this and don't that will become the most believeable result....

What I've said is unwise for most ppls, but I rather share my words aloud...hehe =)
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I think the Christians would start rubbing it in people’s face and gloating.


FUCKING AGREED.
I don't think I've ever agreed with something so much before.

Christians and Catholics are a bunch of horrible people(the majority of the ones I've met). And I've found that the ones I've met are also two faced. They're like, "Convert to our religion or you'll spend eternity in the pits of hell. Join please! *smile*"


And what would I do if it was proved that God did indeed exist? I'd turn to my friends and tell them that they owed me 50 bucks.
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This thread really got a bit off topic... The question was If god(s) existed how would the human race react?, well at least thats how i understood it as(i took the liberty of changing some parts). I am ignostic (kinda of a type of agnostic), if god(s) existed i think the world would have no choice but to accept god(s) as god(s). some people would question god on a lot of things and i know quite a few people would remain arrogant and say there is no god it is a fake or something, but the situation is THAT GOD IS REAL(in this situation we have found enough proof so is there much need for discussion?) the person who wrote his topic seemed to answer his thread...and all judeo-christian(christian, jewish, and muslim) have the same god since it was all taken from the torah... just diferent names...
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