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Seed is great but Destiny.....


Shinn spent hour upon hours training specifically to defeat Kira. He used past battle footage, simulators, and lots of practice to take on Kira's pacifistic fighting style. I also helps that Kira is using two-year-old technology, the Impulse is performance-wise roughly the same as the Freedom.

In essence Shinn uses a mech of equal power using a heavily practiced strategy devised specifically to defeat his enemy. How could he lose?
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666monster wrote:

Seed is great but Destiny.....


Shinn spent hour upon hours training specifically to defeat Kira. He used past battle footage, simulators, and lots of practice to take on Kira's pacifistic fighting style. I also helps that Kira is using two-year-old technology, the Impulse is performance-wise roughly the same as the Freedom.

In essence Shinn uses a mech of equal power using a heavily practiced strategy devised specifically to defeat his enemy. How could he lose?


Hours??? How can skill be gain by only hours of training and he fight against the strongest of all coordinator, but Athrun can beat Shinn easily. Kira > Athrun >Shinn, this is not a pokemon anime where element beat others element.
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Anosaphia wrote:


666monster wrote:

Seed is great but Destiny.....


Shinn spent hour upon hours training specifically to defeat Kira. He used past battle footage, simulators, and lots of practice to take on Kira's pacifistic fighting style. I also helps that Kira is using two-year-old technology, the Impulse is performance-wise roughly the same as the Freedom.

In essence Shinn uses a mech of equal power using a heavily practiced strategy devised specifically to defeat his enemy. How could he lose?


Hours??? How can skill be gain by only hours of training and he fight against the strongest of all coordinator, but Athrun can beat Shinn easily. Kira > Athrun >Shinn, this is not a pokemon anime where element beat others element.


You are apparently unaware of the law that hard work and determination lead to success. Perhaps you have been watching too much Naruto. Shinn devised and perfected a plan to counter Kira's fighting style. The plan worked perfectly. It doesn't matter if you're the "Ultimate Coordinator" if you are using an outdated machine against a hot-blooded opponent of decent skill fighting a plan that is built perfectly to defeat and you fall into the eventualities of that plan without fail.

As I have said it doesn't matter how awesome you are, if you are countered on every point in a battle you lose.
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666monster wrote:


Anosaphia wrote:


666monster wrote:

Seed is great but Destiny.....


Shinn spent hour upon hours training specifically to defeat Kira. He used past battle footage, simulators, and lots of practice to take on Kira's pacifistic fighting style. I also helps that Kira is using two-year-old technology, the Impulse is performance-wise roughly the same as the Freedom.

In essence Shinn uses a mech of equal power using a heavily practiced strategy devised specifically to defeat his enemy. How could he lose?


Hours??? How can skill be gain by only hours of training and he fight against the strongest of all coordinator, but Athrun can beat Shinn easily. Kira > Athrun >Shinn, this is not a pokemon anime where element beat others element.


You are apparently unaware of the law that hard work and determination lead to success. Perhaps you have been watching too much Naruto. Shinn devised and perfected a plan to counter Kira's fighting style. The plan worked perfectly. It doesn't matter if you're the "Ultimate Coordinator" if you are using an outdated machine against a hot-blooded opponent of decent skill fighting a plan that is built perfectly to defeat and you fall into the eventualities of that plan without fail.

As I have said it doesn't matter how awesome you are, if you are countered on every point in a battle you lose.


Why the hell Naruto comes out!!!! Isn`t in Naruto that shows hardwork can beat genius+experiexce+power. I am telling it is like a dan 3 against dan 5. No matter how you train, it is useless, in reality noone can beat others just by a mere hardwork. What I mean their flight time is already different. Well that`s my opinion and how long did he train to beat him, only a few months no maybe weeks or maybe just days cause they didn`t show time. Except u have something that u`r opponent don`t, that is different but u`re the one that said the performance roughly the same. Well its only a proof that our thinking isn`t the same. Well I`ll respect u`r opinion as another possibility eventhough my opinion will stay the same. Its just makes me remember how Cain is defeated by the next generation protagonist in Drag on dragoon which for me isn`t possible.

p.s. well just imagine u`re in a martial arts and have trained years and have gone to numerous competition. Suddenly there is a newcomer, he analyse you then train for months and then able to beat u. Is it even possible???
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i didn't like what happened to Athrun and Cagalli's relationship...


totally agree.. why did they have to ruin it ! ><


Yeah, it seems they can switch their love to others so easily.
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Eh.. Kira was not concentrating in the fight with shin. Hence, he did not give it his best shot with shin and lost. As u can see, shin stabbed kra's freedom while kira was escaping, and not in the middle of a serious fight. Kira was not serious with shinn. that's why shin won.
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Why the hell Naruto comes out!!!! Isn`t in Naruto that shows hardwork can beat genius+experiexce+power. I am telling it is like a dan 3 against dan 5. No matter how you train, it is useless, in reality noone can beat others just by a mere hardwork. What I mean their flight time is already different. Well that`s my opinion and how long did he train to beat him, only a few months no maybe weeks or maybe just days cause they didn`t show time. Except u have something that u`r opponent don`t, that is different but u`re the one that said the performance roughly the same. Well its only a proof that our thinking isn`t the same. Well I`ll respect u`r opinion as another possibility eventhough my opinion will stay the same. Its just makes me remember how Cain is defeated by the next generation protagonist in Drag on dragoon which for me isn`t possible.

p.s. well just imagine u`re in a martial arts and have trained years and have gone to numerous competition. Suddenly there is a newcomer, he analyse you then train for months and then able to beat u. Is it even possible???


I will not get into a discussion about what I find is the major flaw of Naruto in a GUNDAM thread. Nor will I answer about Drag on Dragoon as I have not seen that.

I also don't quite understand your reference to dan 3 vs dan 5. Could you explain where this is from?

There are several factors against Kira you fail to consider, first that Kira is in an inferior machine. This is not a martial arts anime where it is human against human, this is a Mecha anime where it is a machine against a machine. With few exceptions practice will not empower a machine further than it's specs and certainly not the freedom or the impulse. Shinn has a clear advantage, that would be the equivalent of the improved martial artist vs the weaker one in this case.

Shinn has been in the military for at least a year, Kira has been out of the military for that same frame of time. Skills atrophy. Shinn has been practicing, Kira has not. Shinn more than that has been practicing a plan designed SPECIFICALLY TO DEFEAT KIRA. Shinn has a slightly better machine, a better plan, and sharper skills. Kira has genetics and natural ability, which go only so far.

Honestly I prefer to completely disown Gundam SEED DESTINY and instead prefer to plot used in Super Robot Wars Z for that series. If I had my way the anime would be non-canon and Banpresto's version would be the real version.
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666monster wrote:

Why the hell Naruto comes out!!!! Isn`t in Naruto that shows hardwork can beat genius+experiexce+power. I am telling it is like a dan 3 against dan 5. No matter how you train, it is useless, in reality noone can beat others just by a mere hardwork. What I mean their flight time is already different. Well that`s my opinion and how long did he train to beat him, only a few months no maybe weeks or maybe just days cause they didn`t show time. Except u have something that u`r opponent don`t, that is different but u`re the one that said the performance roughly the same. Well its only a proof that our thinking isn`t the same. Well I`ll respect u`r opinion as another possibility eventhough my opinion will stay the same. Its just makes me remember how Cain is defeated by the next generation protagonist in Drag on dragoon which for me isn`t possible.

p.s. well just imagine u`re in a martial arts and have trained years and have gone to numerous competition. Suddenly there is a newcomer, he analyse you then train for months and then able to beat u. Is it even possible???


I will not get into a discussion about what I find is the major flaw of Naruto in a GUNDAM thread. Nor will I answer about Drag on Dragoon as I have not seen that.

I also don't quite understand your reference to dan 3 vs dan 5. Could you explain where this is from?

There are several factors against Kira you fail to consider, first that Kira is in an inferior machine. This is not a martial arts anime where it is human against human, this is a Mecha anime where it is a machine against a machine. With few exceptions practice will not empower a machine further than it's specs and certainly not the freedom or the impulse. Shinn has a clear advantage, that would be the equivalent of the improved martial artist vs the weaker one in this case.

Shinn has been in the military for at least a year, Kira has been out of the military for that same frame of time. Skills atrophy. Shinn has been practicing, Kira has not. Shinn more than that has been practicing a plan designed SPECIFICALLY TO DEFEAT KIRA. Shinn has a slightly better machine, a better plan, and sharper skills. Kira has genetics and natural ability, which go only so far.

Honestly I prefer to completely disown Gundam SEED DESTINY and instead prefer to plot used in Super Robot Wars Z for that series. If I had my way the anime would be non-canon and Banpresto's version would be the real version.


Sorry its from martial arts. Well in my case kendo. Well at least u know that he is in the military training not war. So thats it, So how can a not doing anything for a year beat Athrun than if it is true than how can Athrun beat the one that beat him easily so easily, thats what didn`t add up.
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Shin=Epic Phail... His gundam easily runs out of batteries.
Athrun= Hey, he wasn't such a playboy back in seed...what gives?
Kira=kinda 3mo...but still rocks as a pilot...(does not change the fact he stole Athrun's Fiance` weeee!)



Heinz=ULTIMATE EPIC FAIL. He died a few episodes after he was introduced.wtf? (i liked his orange zaku tho.)
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arthun is playboy... y he always choose d rong side den back after he realize dat he alrdy chose d wrong side....
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Anosaphia wrote:


666monster wrote:

Why the hell Naruto comes out!!!! Isn`t in Naruto that shows hardwork can beat genius+experiexce+power. I am telling it is like a dan 3 against dan 5. No matter how you train, it is useless, in reality noone can beat others just by a mere hardwork. What I mean their flight time is already different. Well that`s my opinion and how long did he train to beat him, only a few months no maybe weeks or maybe just days cause they didn`t show time. Except u have something that u`r opponent don`t, that is different but u`re the one that said the performance roughly the same. Well its only a proof that our thinking isn`t the same. Well I`ll respect u`r opinion as another possibility eventhough my opinion will stay the same. Its just makes me remember how Cain is defeated by the next generation protagonist in Drag on dragoon which for me isn`t possible.

p.s. well just imagine u`re in a martial arts and have trained years and have gone to numerous competition. Suddenly there is a newcomer, he analyse you then train for months and then able to beat u. Is it even possible???


I will not get into a discussion about what I find is the major flaw of Naruto in a GUNDAM thread. Nor will I answer about Drag on Dragoon as I have not seen that.

I also don't quite understand your reference to dan 3 vs dan 5. Could you explain where this is from?

There are several factors against Kira you fail to consider, first that Kira is in an inferior machine. This is not a martial arts anime where it is human against human, this is a Mecha anime where it is a machine against a machine. With few exceptions practice will not empower a machine further than it's specs and certainly not the freedom or the impulse. Shinn has a clear advantage, that would be the equivalent of the improved martial artist vs the weaker one in this case.

Shinn has been in the military for at least a year, Kira has been out of the military for that same frame of time. Skills atrophy. Shinn has been practicing, Kira has not. Shinn more than that has been practicing a plan designed SPECIFICALLY TO DEFEAT KIRA. Shinn has a slightly better machine, a better plan, and sharper skills. Kira has genetics and natural ability, which go only so far.

Honestly I prefer to completely disown Gundam SEED DESTINY and instead prefer to plot used in Super Robot Wars Z for that series. If I had my way the anime would be non-canon and Banpresto's version would be the real version.


Sorry its from martial arts. Well in my case kendo. Well at least u know that he is in the military training not war. So thats it, So how can a not doing anything for a year beat Athrun than if it is true than how can Athrun beat the one that beat him easily so easily, thats what didn`t add up.


You once again fail to recognize the main reason Shinn won. He made a plan designed specifically to defeat on particular opponent who did not stray from the predictions of the plan. I repeat, the battle worked perfectly in Shinn's favor, Shinn got a critical hit with his plan, he got a headshot, he attacked the weak point for massive damage.

Of Shinn, Kira, and Athrun it likely goes in overall ability at peak with equal mechs Kira>Athrun>Shinn. This is true, but Shinn stacked the odds in his favor with the aforementioned plan, better machine, and extreme focus. Kira always fought the same with the Freedom, he got lazy with his Full Burst spamming, so Shinn could take him out.

I don't pretend to apologize for the last 12 episodes of DESTINY, but the only explanation is that Kira started fighting differently so the strategy didn't work, Kira got a much better Gundam, and loses focus with his arrogance and loss of personality.
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666monster wrote:


Anosaphia wrote:


666monster wrote:

Why the hell Naruto comes out!!!! Isn`t in Naruto that shows hardwork can beat genius+experiexce+power. I am telling it is like a dan 3 against dan 5. No matter how you train, it is useless, in reality noone can beat others just by a mere hardwork. What I mean their flight time is already different. Well that`s my opinion and how long did he train to beat him, only a few months no maybe weeks or maybe just days cause they didn`t show time. Except u have something that u`r opponent don`t, that is different but u`re the one that said the performance roughly the same. Well its only a proof that our thinking isn`t the same. Well I`ll respect u`r opinion as another possibility eventhough my opinion will stay the same. Its just makes me remember how Cain is defeated by the next generation protagonist in Drag on dragoon which for me isn`t possible.

p.s. well just imagine u`re in a martial arts and have trained years and have gone to numerous competition. Suddenly there is a newcomer, he analyse you then train for months and then able to beat u. Is it even possible???


I will not get into a discussion about what I find is the major flaw of Naruto in a GUNDAM thread. Nor will I answer about Drag on Dragoon as I have not seen that.

I also don't quite understand your reference to dan 3 vs dan 5. Could you explain where this is from?

There are several factors against Kira you fail to consider, first that Kira is in an inferior machine. This is not a martial arts anime where it is human against human, this is a Mecha anime where it is a machine against a machine. With few exceptions practice will not empower a machine further than it's specs and certainly not the freedom or the impulse. Shinn has a clear advantage, that would be the equivalent of the improved martial artist vs the weaker one in this case.

Shinn has been in the military for at least a year, Kira has been out of the military for that same frame of time. Skills atrophy. Shinn has been practicing, Kira has not. Shinn more than that has been practicing a plan designed SPECIFICALLY TO DEFEAT KIRA. Shinn has a slightly better machine, a better plan, and sharper skills. Kira has genetics and natural ability, which go only so far.

Honestly I prefer to completely disown Gundam SEED DESTINY and instead prefer to plot used in Super Robot Wars Z for that series. If I had my way the anime would be non-canon and Banpresto's version would be the real version.


Sorry its from martial arts. Well in my case kendo. Well at least u know that he is in the military training not war. So thats it, So how can a not doing anything for a year beat Athrun than if it is true than how can Athrun beat the one that beat him easily so easily, thats what didn`t add up.


You once again fail to recognize the main reason Shinn won. He made a plan designed specifically to defeat on particular opponent who did not stray from the predictions of the plan. I repeat, the battle worked perfectly in Shinn's favor, Shinn got a critical hit with his plan, he got a headshot, he attacked the weak point for massive damage.

Of Shinn, Kira, and Athrun it likely goes in overall ability at peak with equal mechs Kira>Athrun>Shinn. This is true, but Shinn stacked the odds in his favor with the aforementioned plan, better machine, and extreme focus. Kira always fought the same with the Freedom, he got lazy with his Full Burst spamming, so Shinn could take him out.

I don't pretend to apologize for the last 12 episodes of DESTINY, but the only explanation is that Kira started fighting differently so the strategy didn't work, Kira got a much better Gundam, and loses focus with his arrogance and loss of personality.


Well he didn`t fight differently and u know that (He still use the same fighting style), but okay I`ll go with u`r opinion.I don`t want to be called a spammer anyway. Just want to ask, if Athrun fight Shinn in his destroyed suit (Kira destroy it) who will win??
After rewatching that battle I see one thing that didn`t add up. What attack Shinn use to attack Kira from the back when he split the gundams body. Wew so unreal, oh yeah the last attack that beat Kira is trully cause Kira lose his focus in a second. Well it seems u`r right.
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The freedom was outdated and got beat. Just like they said above, except oowashi akatsuki>strike-freedom>infinity justice>destiny. Shinn is just a bitch and sucks at piloting. Athrun destroys shinn because a.destiny=crap b.shinn=bitch-ass pilot who whines too much
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as i said...... Kira was not concentrating in the fight with shin. Hence, he did not give it his best shot with shin and lost. As u can see, shin stabbed kra's freedom while kira was escaping, and not in the middle of a serious fight. Kira was not serious with shinn. that's why shin won.

seems that some people also sees it that way..
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Okay the discussion that's going is messed up...

The Freedom is indeed older than the Impulse and its 3 other packs, however its technology is not freaking lower than Impulse. How the heck do you come up with a conclusion that Freedom's spec is crappier than Impulse when Jesus Yamato's almighty Freedom runs on fission reactor compare to to faggat Shin's Impulse that runs on crappy battery packs.

I give credit to faggot Shin beating Jesus Yamato for the first and last time. Technically he wouldn't really won if Rey didn't point out the obvious that Kira's fighting pattern did not involve shooting to kill, rather disarming and blowing up the limbs of his targets. Forgot to mention that Kira wasn't 100% into the battle since he was worried about the Archangel (I'm glad he finally got his butt whoop for once).
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