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Alternative Medicine approaches
Posted 3/11/08 , edited 3/11/08
i ran a search and found no thread on this topic in 'forums' or the thread index.

i don't like huge boring paragraphs myself, so i'll try to avoid that. everything posted in this thread is for informational and entertainment purposes only, not legal medical advice.

i'll start this off by mentioning that Sandra Steingraber says in an excellent book titled "Living Downstream" that a lot of modern supposedly 'safe' household chemicals are not, but are oleophilic, meaning 'fat loving', and various pesticides and herbicides and cleaning compounds that are held as harmless, actually build up in the fatty tissues in the body over years of use, and toxify your body. many common cancers are associated with fatty tissues; brain, breast, prostate, and so on. she writes that cancer incidence in the general population took a sharp upswing right about 1945 to 1950, with a dramatic increase in the use of all such toxic chemicals by industrial nations. big oil wants us to believe that these chemical products are 'safe', so we'll buy more and keep our money flowing into their bank accounts.

"Living Downstream" is a very appropriate title, because when we expose ourselves to such chemicals needlessly, we are in effect 'living downstream' from them just as much as the fish in the sea.

i will conclude my opening post with a link to a chemical stew known as the flu shot, which big pharma is making millions off of by injecting us all with. they want you to think it's good for you, it's necessary, and it's safe. watch the vid for yourself, and see...

What's In a Flu Shot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfCnjnShnM&feature=related
a funny but informed vid. it's telling it like it is.

alternative link;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b733_HKEMmE
Posted 3/11/08
I don't like to take medicine but if you need to then
take it...
like if you're in serious pain or very ill.
I'm all for alternative medicine as long as it helps.
Kuddos for your topic mate.
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Just watched the video on youtube, and I got to say, it was very comical and yet truthful. We don't really know what is in a flu shot other than an inactive form of the virus (injecting active form of influenzae would give you the flu). However, because different biopharmaceutical companies make vaccines differently, they do not have to let out the ingredients. I think that its ok as long as it has been clinically tested for any problems before going out to the public.

Your other comment about the common household chemicals is true as well. Any chemical CAN be toxic, it just depends on the "dosage" or amount of exposure to these. Did you know that water can be toxic to, if taken in extreme amounts? So, I don't think people will stop using these household chemicals, even if they are potentially harmful.
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ooooooooh this is intresting
Posted 3/11/08
thanks! fyi, if a vaccine or anything else contains 'Thimerosal', then it actually contains mercury;
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Thimerosal&spell=1

mercury is an 'atomic element'.

what does this mean? it means it's an 'atom', not a 'molecule'.

molecules are chemical compounds made of various kinds of atoms, and it is possible to break down a toxic chemical (i.e. a 'molecule') into harmless atoms from which it is composed.

water is a molecule known as H2O, meaning a molecule of water is composed of two H or Hydrogen atoms and one O or oxygen atom. so the water molecule can be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen.

what am i getting at? mercury is not a molecule. it cannot be 'broken down' into anything.

mercury is an atom. an atomic element, not a molecule or chemical. mercury *stays* mercury.

mercury is a deadly and toxic atomic element. it will damage nerves and bones. your body has no use for it.

mercury has no place in a flu shot or anything else being injected into your body.
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Mercury in vaccines can cause sever forms of dementia in children. And it also may lead to autoimmune disease, making your body's defenses susceptible to any other pathogens (viruses, bacteria, etc). I'm not entirely sure why its still used in vaccines or "shots", but I'm guessing its something important. There are new forms of flu vaccines that don't use thimerosal, but biopharmaceutical companies are sticking with this since its probably cheaper to use thimerosal compared to the alternative.
Posted 3/11/08

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Mercury in vaccines can cause sever forms of dementia in children. And it also may lead to autoimmune disease, making your body's defenses susceptible to any other pathogens (viruses, bacteria, etc). I'm not entirely sure why its still used in vaccines or "shots", but I'm guessing its something important. There are new forms of flu vaccines that don't use thimerosal, but biopharmaceutical companies are sticking with this since its probably cheaper to use thimerosal compared to the alternative.


thank you. you might say the small percentages of dead and autistic children due to the use of the cheaper mercury/thimerosal-containing vaccines are the 'breakage' factor. fine for big pharma, unless it's your kid. i always got severe headaches for 24 hours after every flu shot.

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i'm a big believer in "alternative medicine" i haven't been to a doctor in years, since i had severe pneumonia. my father is an "alternative" doctor, and is quite respected in his field, and i get treated by him for anything from the cold to a sprained ankle.

where pharmacuticals DO have an edge over other forms of medicine is in emergency situations when you need results quickly (like, that very minute sort of quickly)

and i have heard that immunizations do cause a lot of damage, especially to infants. thank god i was never immunized. i might not be the healthy kid i am today. all you need is to take care of yourself and you'll be fine (like me, never had the flu or hepatitis, or tetanis, or rabies, or whatever they immunize you for)
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darkrogue wrote:

Mercury in vaccines can cause sever forms of dementia in children. And it also may lead to autoimmune disease, making your body's defenses susceptible to any other pathogens (viruses, bacteria, etc). I'm not entirely sure why its still used in vaccines or "shots", but I'm guessing its something important. There are new forms of flu vaccines that don't use thimerosal, but biopharmaceutical companies are sticking with this since its probably cheaper to use thimerosal compared to the alternative.


thank you. you might say the small percentages of dead and autistic children due to the use of the cheaper mercury/thimerosal-containing vaccines are the 'breakage' factor. fine for big pharma, unless it's your kid. i always got severe headaches for 24 hours after every flu shot.



I actually personally know someone whose child was affected by this. My best friend's aunt had taken her daughter to get a shot (I don't recall which type) and it was so-called "necessary" for infants. The little girl is now autistic. I am totally against giving infants shots. Personally, I don't like taking any medication or shots if it is not extremely necessary. I haven't had a flu shot for over 5 years now. And, no, its not because I have a fear of needles or anything.
Posted 3/11/08
sorry to hear about your friend's aunt's little girl.

here's a web article, title; "Government Admits Vaccines Cause Autism In Children".

subtitle; "Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What?"

link; http://noworldsystem.com/2008/02/29/government-admits-vaccines-cause-autism-in-children/

my comment; we know someone whose child is also autistic and they are absolutely convinced it was a mercury-containing vaccination shot. they are so far able to prove nothing.

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Honestly, I avoid the hospital. The only time I go is when it is like an urgent care type of situation. My mom has been using alternative medicine for everything for as long as I can remember, so if I'm sick the first thing I do is try to find a natural remedy

Oh, I also want to talk about vaccines. I don't really think flu shots are necessary. But if it is some life threatening disease that has a vaccine I say get vaccinated. I had to get vaccinated against chicken pox when I was 16 or 17 because I never had it as a kid. Plus a whole bunch of other vaccines in my early childhood (0-6yrs).
Posted 3/11/08
yes, i agree to this. a well-balanced approach. who wants their kid or themselves to contract polio from not taking the vaccine. but a new flu shot every year seems excessive.

we have the deluxe hardback edition of "Back To Eden" by Jethro Kloss. highly recommended.

you can get discount bulk herbs here by the pound;
http://www.herbalcom.com/
click on 'products & ordering' to see prices.
there is a flat rate shipping fee of $5.25, so whether you get $5 worth or $500, it's still just $5.25 total shipping.
i am not associated with them so i consider this survival advice and not spam.

more on mercury in our fabulous Third Millenium jet age environment;
we had an energy-saving coil-type florescent light bulb in our living room ceiling fixture burn out last year. the coil had broken all by itself, totally undisturbed, and buzzed like a bumble bee for a few seconds as it arced its contents into the air with total 'green' fashion consciousness. we unscrewed it to replace it with another one (it only takes one eco-nut to unscrew a light bulb, thanks), and it was only then that we noticed for the first time that it contained--(drum roll) wa-la!!!--mercury vapor! as the joke goes, others have to pay for this privilege--you get it for free! such a deal we have for you. so there we were, with our personal living space, our lungs, our brains, our cats, all unwittingly exposed to mercury. this is serious business. you have to examine the fine print on a coil light bulb or its packaging to see if it contains mercury.

we replaced all our expensive mercury-containing light bulbs with old fashioned ditzy flat-footed incandescent ones in the 40 to 60 watt range. when we need more light, we go get a flashlight containing ten super-bright white LEDs or turn on an extra light fixture.
Posted 3/12/08
i want to mention Vitamin B-17 and cancer.

Please go here;
http://www.vialls.com/vialls/laetrile1.html

i realize most of the members of CR are young and healthy and may not feel the need to read about how to prevent cancer, and the explanation is long and does a better job than i could, so i will leave it to the above link to explain everything.
Posted 3/14/08
here is a quote from the above link for Vitamin B-17;

"The vitamin is harmless to healthy tissue for a very simple reason: each molecule of B17 contains one unit of cyanide, one unit of benzaldehyde and two of glucose (sugar) tightly locked together. In order for the cyanide to become dangerous it is first necessary to 'unlock' the molecule to release it, a trick that can only be performed by an enzyme called beta-glucosidase, which is present all over the human body in minute quantities, but in truly vast quantities (up to 100 times as high) at only one place: the site of a malignant cancer tumor. Thus the cyanide is unlocked only at the cancer site with drastic results, which become utterly devastating to the cancer cells because the benzaldehyde unit unlocks at the same time."

"Benzaldehyde is a deadly poison in its own right, which then acts synergistically with the cyanide to produce a poison 100 times more deadly than either in isolation. The combined effect on the cancer cells is best left to the imagination. But what about danger to the rest of the body's cells? Another enzyme, rhodanese, always present in far larger quantities than the unlocking enzyme beta-glucosidase in healthy tissues, has the easy ability to completely break down both cyanide and benzaldehyde into beneficial body products. Predictably perhaps, malignant cancer cells contain no rhodanese at all, leaving them completely at the mercy of the two deadly poisons."

i will point out that one of the best sources of B-17 is millet seed. when's the last time you saw anyone keeling over from eating millet seed flour? hahahah. try it. call the funeral home and tell them you're preparing a dangerous experiment; eating millet seed flour.

the FDA's approach was real cute. being a puppet of big pharma and the entire toxic bio-chem industry, they publicized that B-17 contains cyanide. this is not strictly true b/c they were implying that B-17 contains *free* cyanide, when in reality B-17 contains *locked* cyanide which can only be unlocked by malignant cancer cells which only unlock just enough within their own cell walls to kill themselves.

this is called a 'magic bullet', meaning you can consume millet seed flour, the B-17 is released into your system, and only has an effect on the desired target, cancer cells. if there are no cancer cells in your body, the B-17 passes harmlessly through your body without effect.

OTOH, let's take a look at aspartame, darling poster child of the industrial chemicals industry. aspartame, the 'blue box' artificial sweetener, breaks down in your body into formaldehyde and methanol, violently toxic to your body, with a huge list of deadly symptoms and another huge list of dead people who died from consuming aspartame.

in japan, there is a natural sweetener called stevia, made from the stevia plant. perfectly safe. cheap and easy to grow and process. they use it in everything on the market shelves, including diet soft drinks.

so what does the FDA do? they *approve* aspartame in the US and *ban* importation of stevia-containing products. you can only buy raw stevia to add to your own foods.

hawaii is currently trying to pass legislation to ban aspartame. the entire industrial chemical industry is up in arms, preparing to fight a pitched court battle to prevent this from happening.

i've already banned it from my own body.

of course you could always choose to believe the FDA really cares more about you than about pleasing big pharma and the aspartame industry. fine. be my guest. go ahead and keep on sucking aspartame-loaded products and avoiding awful dangerous B-17 containing millet seed flour. the FDA has an Attaboy award and a nice pat on the back for being a good naive little consumer they're just waiting to give you. big pharma has a whole host of chemo/radiation therapy waiting to make you pay big bucks for.

they've also got a nice yearly dose of mercury-containing flu shots for you. hey hey hey, vaccine for the whole family!

as always, this post is for informational and entertainment purposes, and should not be considered medical advice.
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