Human Experiment. ( Read First Post And Tell Me what you think)
Posted 3/12/08 , edited 3/14/08
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The CIA ran an extensive toxicology and chemical/biological warfare program in cooperation with the US military. The Edgewood Arsenal and US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick in Maryland were the main headquarters for such studies. At such centres, the agency developed many toxins, incapacitants, mind-altering substances and carcinogens. The CIA allegedly attempted to use toxins to assassinate Fidel Castro and other world leaders such as General Abdul Karim Quassim of Iraq and Patrick Lumumba of the Congo who nationalized Congo's mineral mines[citation needed]. Mind-control substances were studied to facilitate interrogation and toxins were used as weapons in assassination. One of the toxins that the CIA studied extensively was derived from red algae called dinoflagellate which produces the red tide[citation needed].

The MK-ULTRA project was a CIA run human experiment program where prisoners and unwitting subjects were administered hallucinogenic drugs in attempt to develop incapacitating substances and chemical mind control agents, in an operation run by Sidney Gottlieb. CIA researchers at the Bien Hua prison conducted human experiments on Vietnamese Communist subjects as a form of torture[citation needed]. The CIA was accused of murdering one of the unwitting subjects of the CIA LSD tests named Frank Olson [3]. The CIA claimed that the man committed suicide as an after-effect of the LSD but the family exhumed the body and a forensic pathologist found evidence of blunt trauma to the head suggesting that he was knocked out before being thrown out of the window of a hotel. This supported the Olsen family's claims that the CIA had killed him because he wanted to expose the MK-Ultra program [4]. The Church Investigation revealed some information on this project.

A Manhattan District Attorney opened up an investigation but did not have enough evidence to prosecute. It is interesting to note that soon after this happened, the former CIA director William Colby drowned and he would have been a key witness. Dr. Sidney Gottlieb requested that William Colby destroy most of the documents on the MK-Ultra program. Some suspect that the trial would produce information that would devastate the reputation of the William Colby and other officials involved in MK Ultra[5].

The CIA also recruited the University of Pennsylvania dermatology professor named Dr. Albert Kligman to run the studies at Holmsburg Prison. Kligman also conducted human studies on the effects of blistering agents on human skin [6].

----Quoted from Wikipedia .

So what ya think ? Violent ? Waste of life ?
Posted 3/12/08
write your own comment too, not just ACV wikipedia.... That's not extensive, and it's not discussion and last it does not belong in a forum if you don't have any comments, why make a post?

And I'm against torture and human testing if the subjects are not willingly parttaking..
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Posted 3/12/08
Well , with power , comes secrecy and that tends to be misused. As long as theres people in power , some if not most of them would do things behind the general public's back. My only gripe is that militaries preferto contain rather than cure , and lives can be sacrificed for the 'greater good'. To me , that is bullshit.
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Posted 3/12/08
Human Experiment is not prefered, but it has to be done. There's the need for good and bad, so as to balance the equality of society on this planet. Take the SARS virus for example, it's because people are willing to risk their life by subjecting to take this virus that more blood antibiotics could be made. And it's definitely needed for the bad side of humanity, you lose more lives in an all out war compared to a nuclear strike or biological warfare, dispite having negative impacts on both side.

And now for the lighter side of Human Experiment...

Get some chilli powder, cocoa powder and baking soda. Mix them well together and pour them into any glucose compound, force the mixture down your little siblings throat and watch what happen in an hour or so.

Now, that's Human Experiment for you.
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Posted 3/12/08
Ah, Human experiment. Did you know that it is now one of the new seven sins listed by the Vatican?

As is logical, human testing should be allowed if the subject gives permission for it to happen. Experimentation done on prisoners of wars is definitely a no-no (think the Jews and WWII). Human rights and morality. Of course, a whole debate can be sparked off about whether the subject gave permission in a state of sanity and/or if permission was forced to be given.
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Posted 3/12/08
Banning something so CIA won't do it, does that even work?

toe: they are making up sins? I did not know that. Do we need more sins? What's the necessity of more sins? Are they afraid we will run out of sins, that people are not committing enough? How many sins are there? What's the system for passing sins?
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jestorebo wrote:

Banning something so CIA won't do it, does that even work?

toe: they are making up sins? I did not know that. Do we need more sins? What's the necessity of more sins? Are they afraid we will run out of sins, that people are not committing enough? How many sins are there? What's the system for passing sins?


good points....they have seven new sins which currently on the news...and.one of them is polluting the environment..... :D

human experiments will always happen because people like to play god(in a spiritual term) or be "god-like"..

research for new drugs, cure, etc....what do u think happen when they think they found something...someone have to be sacrifices for millions to live....we need test subjects...unfortunately animals are not good enough...


It could be good b/c we have cure for disease and know that it is safe...but ....stepping on others live for your own....guilty conscience..
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Posted 3/13/08

jestorebo wrote:
toe: they are making up sins? I did not know that. Do we need more sins? What's the necessity of more sins? Are they afraid we will run out of sins, that people are not committing enough? How many sins are there? What's the system for passing sins?


"Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 per cent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession. He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation”. Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an invididual matter, it now had “social resonance”." - Timesonline.co.uk

The seven new sins are:
1. Bioethical violations such as birth control
2. Morally dubious experiments such as human experimentation
3. Drug abuse
4. Pollution of the environment
5. Contribution to widening the rich-poor divide
6. Excessive wealth
7. Creating poverty

Anyway, I do stand by the viewpoint that without human experimentation, mankind would not be where we are right now. No vaccination (since Edward Jenner did human testing on the young boy), no surgeries to save human lives since plenty of these started off as experimentation and no many other medicinal cures we have nowadays.
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Posted 3/13/08
Wow. The 7 modern sins:
1. nothing new as far as I know 3. more blame to the junkies? Is blame going to stop people? 4. The point would be: who is to blame? People think of this is individual blame, however only the state has the power to really change things. 7-7 are really much of the same. Is the church turning socialist? In any case, people generally speaking, are going to keep on loving wealth. How would the confession be : "Father, I have sinned. I am rich". What is the proper response to these sins. If one is rich, it should be giving away money. Is alcoholism a sin by the way? The church seems to become very ambitious. Stopping envirnomental disasters, accumulation of wealth, and drug abuse. Well, the idealist within me wishes them luck on 3-7, 1 is excluded, and 2 depending on the case at hand. As a realist I see catholics obeying 1 and maybe 2, the least important ones.
Posted 3/14/08
Well idk mate it'd be different if they were testing on humans to possibly find the cure for cancer if that was the case Id be all like hell yeah go for it. But since theyre not testing on humans for that its a little harsh. [well it must be done]
See now we can see how the poor animals feel.
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Posted 10/30/08
abuse of power and abuse of human rights.

they're not animals to be expreimented. they're not inferior. they also have emotions and thoughts.

how cruel
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Posted 10/30/08
Humans are Human, CIA Fuck off !!!
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