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Posted 3/26/08
How very interesting... Other than naruto, I have never really seen the names of arts used in anime. I am pretty sure all the stuff in naruto is incorrect though. However, all the high flying, junp into the air 20 feet, defy the laws of physics action is entertaining to watch

There are some really interesting fighting styles out there. I once stumbled upon an unlisted fighting club in London, Ontario. It was a Russian art named systema. The instructor was an ex KGB of course, from russia (lots of fighters up there) and he was just amazing. What I found interesting was his stance, it was very fluid, and he threw people just like it was part of his normal movement.

I could only go once but my brother tells me that he could also do some very interesting things with pressure points- such as temporarily paralize the arms. Pretty sure you could never pull that off in a real fight though... Apparently the leader of Russia (Vladamere something i believe) is quite versed in this martial art.

Do you know why we call it a martial art? I could never figure it out. Every time I search Martial in a dictionary, I get information on a spanish poet...
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Posted 3/26/08
An associate of mine and a well known fellow in the martial arts community, James Williams, teaches Systema along with Nami ryu Kenjutsu at The Dojo of Four Winds in California.

Pressure points aren't what they're cracked up to be. In Jujutsu we have Atemi waza which is strikes to vital points. For instance striking someone's brachial plexus can numb their entire side of their body.

Martial is derived from "Military" essentially "Martial Arts" are fighting arts used in battle.

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Posted 3/26/08
Wow...you'd have to know the body like a doctor to be able to hit all these points...

I'm under the impression that systema is a relatively new form compared to Jujitsu and Etc. Could you give me a rough timeline? it seems that I am just picking your brain now but this is facinating. A little off topic but facinating.

"Martial is derived from "Military" essentially "Martial Arts" are fighting arts used in battle". And why couldnt they just put that in the dictionary...geeze...
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Posted 3/27/08
Actually I just took a practical anatomy class in College for the easy credit. Haha
The rest I've picked up in the training hall.

I'm here for some good discussion, pick my brain all you want.

I don't know too much about systema. It for some reason reminds me of Krav Maga, the ISF "Combat System" though not a traditional martial art, it is similar to the Marine LINE/MCMAP or whatever it is called these days. Though Krav Maga and the martial arts they teach in the US military (especially the marine crap) is EXTREMELY watered down and VERY flawed. A buddy of mine was in the program and he was pretty confident he had received his "black belt" and we sparred and his form was horrible and he was easily unbalanced. They don't teach you the key beginning principles that compliment more traditional martial arts there.

I know they base a lot of techniques on Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu which is not geared for combat. Though effective (most fights end up on the ground) it is not the greatest pick for combat. Jiu-Jitsu is a watered down form of Judo (though by no means ineffective, it just has many techniques taken out and is reduced to nearly only groundfighting) and Judo is a watered down form of Jujutsu (they took out the lethal techniques like Atemi and small joint manipulation) and Judo is VERY formidable even in a combat system. It just lacks techniques that are specifically designed for lethality.

Though Systema seems FAR more credible. It has basis in Judo it seems as well.

I have heard a few things. I disclaim that what I am about to say I cannot account for it's credibility. It is hearsay and I don't know if it;s truth or nothing more than a rumor; I have heard that it was originally taught only to the KGB and Spetsnaz.

Yeah that would be a much simpler definition. haha
Though the definition I gave seems to exist in etymology only now a-days as "Martial" arts aren't very "Martial" anymore being that things like Tae Kwon Do, Gung'Fu, Wushu, and Wing Tsun are less effective in combat and more effective for (and mainly used for) fitness, health, and various "Internal" reasons.

As a key the more flashy an art; The less effective.
The more boring an art; The more effective.

It's funny I found even proof of this in fiction like movies and such.
Usually people employ more flashy techniques in movies and such and as a result, they want to have breathtaking battles to entertain, the battles are far longer than realistic combat would allow.

It's funny since quick battles and realistic displays of martial arts are deemed "boring" by many people.
It's funny because realistic displays of martial arts being utilized in combat usually mean a battle will only last a few seconds. For less effective arts, it takes longer to defeat an opponent naturally.


A friend and my late Sociology professor once told me that in textbooks and dictionaries, the authors are paid determined by the amount of horridly difficult words that are included. This I speculate would change from publisher to publisher though. I don't know if this is true or if he was telling a joke. Though it seems true haha
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Posted 3/27/08
The guys who made websters must have made a fortune

the word "systma" by itself means "the system" so it would make sense if it was related to an art called "combat system"

haha, the martial art they learn in the navy is extreamy watered down I bet there was no pun intended there.... I knew they went through a basic training but I never knew it was a full course.

As far as the flashy martial arts go, they are entertaining and thats probably why we watch them. If a fight was over within 5 seconds of beginning, most people wouldnt enjoy it. You've gotta admit- however impracticle it is, it is fun to watch
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Posted 3/27/08
Oh yes. I love watching Taekwondo stunts.

Looks fun too.
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Its too bad that there arent any fighting schools where I live right now. It would be useful to know some other ways to defend myself. I'm particularly impartial to my current town, the people my age lack manners. There was a stabbing last month, and if put in a situation where I would be in danger- I would like to be able to react in such a way that I may save myself along with others form any pointless bloodshed.

I saw the guy who got stabbed, And I saw the stabber as well- I had a chance to stop him but I had to back away. I dont like backing away. If I had stopped him- I could have saved others from pointless fear and saved the slowly deteriorating image of the school. However, as of this moment, I lack the skill nessesary to take care of myself not to mention others.

Power in its most primal sense- it is raw, and blunt. Martial arts are a way to channel that into something a lot sharper- a lot more precise. Without being dexterous, It is impossible to do any more than I did during that stabbing.

Do you have any suggestions of things that I can do by myself? Exercises, further reading with diagrams of technique, any suggestions you may have.
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Posted 3/27/08
Sometimes to go to a good school you have to travel a ways. I've known people who drive two hours to get to their MA class twice a week. I'm lucky that most of the classes I've taken have been nearby. I've never had to drive longer than 45 minutes to a dojo.

I must say you're very intellectual and refined for someone you're age. I hated when I was in highs chool because I felt ashamed that I had to associate with such crude people. I found it tragic that kids my age were so immature. Now that I've grown more I see nothing has changed. There's idiots and kiddies in every age. haha

I've been stabbed twice before. The second time gave me a scar on my hand, but I also kept the knife. One of those cheap rambo knife imitations. It's a terrible situation. I live in Kansas City, Missouri. It's infamous for it's crime rates. I've been mugged a few times before. Twice at gunpoint. Very scary.

It is admirable you know your weakness and can openly admit it. Now the next step is to train your body to be ready. Then the last step is to muster the resolve to stand up to an obstacle. It happens to everyone. I've backed down plenty of times and am not one bit ashamed to say so.

You're dead on about power and how martial arts channels it.

There's no way to learn martial arts by diagram, video, or books. The only way is through a certified instructor. I'm sure you know this. Though that does not mean I don't have suggestions.

I might be able to help you find a dojo near you, though if you don't want to give out your personal information (and I wouldn't blame you either. lots of wierdos out on the net.) you can always try dojofinder. If you find some place around, I can try and help you filter through the crap. Perhaps you can try that Systema? I've heard good things about it.

For combat and defense the following I would highly recommend:
Jujutsu
Judo
Kyokushin Karatedo (Sometimes known as Kyokushinkai or Kaikan. Or try full contact karate)
Kickboxing (or Savate or Muay Thai)
Kenpo/Kempo (Especially Ed Parker's American Kenpo)

If none of these are available, the following are the second best:
Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu
Boxing
Hapkido
Aikido (Getting a little on the hokey side, but arguably effective.)
Catch or Submission Wrestling
Shidokan
Goju, Isshin, Seido, Shorin, or Wado ryu Karatedo
Or even weapon arts like Escrima, Jodo/jutsu, Bojutsu, Kendo,

If you're serious about this, it would be the utmost beneficial to cross train a strong striking art (Kempo/FCK/Kickboxing) with a indomitable grappling art (Judo/Jujutsu)

If you cannot find any of these around, then try Taekwondo, Karate, GungFu, or even Taijiquan.

If you absolutely cannot find ANYTHING, go to a gym or invest in weights and I can try and give you a good workout regime. Then I can tell you some homestyle boxing moves. At the very least, combat force with force. It's not very good at all, but it certainly is better than nothing. It won't do much on someone with a weapon or someone who is highly skilled in fighting, but it is better than nothing.
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Posted 3/28/08
My town is devoid of any place for me to train in a certain martial art. Thats why I asked if there was any way for me to do it on my own. I've seen a taekwando school once and a Aikido one too but I wasnt in any way impressed by what they taught. It would almost be better to just work out by myself and build strength. We just moved here and its a developing (well populated but still developing >_<) area so there isnt much around. I cant go to far- I really dont want to use up that much gas, I'm not the one paying for it.

*sigh* guess its the gym for me. I'm thinking of implementing a schedule to my day. Right now its far to freeform and because of that I slack off. Maybe I'll start going to bed early and taking a morning jog. Maybe work out after school to build some upper body strenght for an hour or two...

Oh and, thank you for the praise. I am what is classified as "the nice guy"- its part of the demeanor to be intellectual and refined :P. I tend to be on my own a lot so I like to think about things... maybe a little more than I should. I'm writing a book in my spare time and your welcome to ask me about it if you'd like to know more. Downside is that the nice guy never wins >_<. Its like a proven law...
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I would recommend Aikido. It's noted to be effective. A derivative off of Judo and it would be a GREAT beginning art for someone as it is heavily based on certain philosophical aspects seen in arts far older. It focuses less of pure combat but it is It focuses more-so on taking out an enemy without great injury. Such a thing is an impressive skill. I have heard many great things about it and it's founder, but I have also heard less impressive things though these were usually spouted off by unintelligible MMA'ers.

I took it when I was younger, but at the time I wanted to be able to fight good and I though Aikido was hokey. Now I find it to be pretty useful if one sticks with it and finds it useful and enjoying. Many do. I've known those that swear by it. The key is to not take it TOO seriously, leave room to adapt to new opportunities that may arise (new dojo popping up or you moving somewhere/traveling) some say Aikido lacks realism in training, but that's a common MMA notion. Though Shodokan (a school of Aikido) is a full contact and very practical training.

Aikido often also contains Iaido as well which you would most likely love.

I personally think you would like Aikido very much. Though to each their own. It took be nearly 18 years to find a good martial art that I found useful and enjoyed, and I don't regret any past experience as it is what helped me get to wear I am now. Get some information from the instructor and let me know about them. What their name is, where they got their certification, who their teacher was, and who was their teacher. Also find out what Aikido organization (aikikai, ki society, etc.) they are affiliated with. Let me know this information and I will analyze it and can infer if it is a fraudulent or authentic practice.

When I was young I had to get a part time job for the soul reason of getting gas money to travel to my dojo which was in the neighboring town. Perhaps you might be able to do this.

Jogging and working out is an overall healthy thing to do.

What's you're book about? I'm a writer by profession myself until I get my PhD in Psych.

I'm a nice guy. Though I am not too nice. The key is if you are an intelligent courteous person and not naive (ie; you don't take crap; you're assertive and not passive or aggressive) you will find you will do just fine.

It's the people who let others walk all over them or the people who are too aggressive who never win.
I'm a proud assertive; Once an obstacle (problem or whatever it may be) arises, I have the resolve to proverbially cut it down in a single strike. Basically, when an issue arises, take care of it swiftly and move on with your life like it never happened, but still being able to learn from mistakes. I are stern to those who warrant it but never angry nor cruel. That is assertive.
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Posted 3/28/08
http://www.bramptonaikikai.com/ thats their website...If it is allright, I'll have to see If I can get my parents to allow me to go.

I will actually send you a pm about my book sometime- I need a little time to write a proper synopsis. I actually wrote 55 pages last year at font number ten, single spaced...and then I read it over and noticed that it sucked. That was probably the biggest waste of time I had ever had. I started over but I'm taking it a little slower this time, don't want a repeat of my last mistake.

By nice guy- I mean it as a classification of people. "the nice guy" the person who will benefit others even if it isnt in his own best interest. Whatever good the nice guy does is usually intentional so they are really not naive.

Still, I'm not a complete "nice guy." If a person harms me without proper reason or one of my own regardless- I will be after them. You could say I'm a fair weather nice guy, I'm nice to those who will be nice back. The nice guy is usually around to help- that's why we dont win. We look out for others before ourselves.

Everything in moderation- its a better principle to live by. cant be too nice or your get trampled, cant be too mean or you'll be hated (weird thing is, It would seem that people flock to those who lack manners~ maybe thats just in highschool) I try to be balenced whenever I can.
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His assistant instructors are a bit low ranked... But the guy checks out so far. Doesn't seem to be fake. I can find traces of affiliation with the Honbu elsewhere, so this seems a qualified place to learn at. I'd definitely try it out if I were you.

When you get older, you're peers will eventually hold you in high standard for such qualities.

In college people either only care about partying or you'll find similar intellectuals who will value you for such qualities. Then again I had a guy try and smash my head in with a baseball bat unprovoked ON college campus.

Yes, rudeness is "Cool" these days. =P

I've always been popular outside of school and at college by just being myself.

The idiots who try and start fights to act tough usually steer clear of me now. Perhaps they know I don't put up with crap.

"Everything in moderation" sums up assertive very well.

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Posted 3/29/08
I'll look more into it. I should build up my fitness level before I go though- It is a little low. I've lost whatever athletic abilities I had in the last year... This year has been an annoying one- you could say that I'm suffering from a tinge of the mellonchollies, but I digress.

It a shame that chivalry died years ago....you cant hold a door open for a girl without them wondering why. You can't simply help without someone thinking they have to pay you back. The world went down the tubes at about the approximate time I was born.
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Posted 3/29/08
Fitness won't help you in martial arts which do not use physical strength.
You'll slowly gain them back. Stretches are far more important so you don't pull something out of whack (which will eventually happen a few times. I just shrug it off and rest for a bit when it happens.)

Chivalry isn't dead, it just isn't widely appreciated as you said.
For every few people there are that acts the way you mentioned, there's always one who truly does appreciate it. That's enough for me to keep doing nice things.

I'm not really in a melancholy at the moment, but I do have the case of the "Blahs" so to speak. I'm beat today. Just absolutely worn out and tired. Mentally exhausted. It happens very rarely, but it happens nonetheless.
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Hey Sean, I've just ask my dad for a graduation gift and I told him that I want a new katana and there's a dealer in my area offering one but I dont know if its a stainless steel or a carbon steel. Can you tell the difference between a real sword and a stainless steel sword?
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