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First step toward immortality?...
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The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.
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Gabcom wrote:

The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.


Better yet, why not have children? They are easier to make and last longer than the clone. (However old they are developmentally a clone's cells would start at the same level of deterioration that yours were when you began the process.
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i gotta say... before james post again... please educate yourself.. with the happens of the world and what your topic entails... before creating a topic your (possibly going to far.. but ill live) clueless on... yea! for your opinion and all... but.. uh... wow?
i dont mean to be a douche or anything... just putting it out there though.. haha
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Gabcom wrote:

The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.


Thats true, It was what I was thinking.
but if you look at it in a different perspective you are immortal because a shadow of you lives on.
Its probably like stuffing a dead dog. Its not the same but the memory is there.
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The image of you may be immortal. It would be like having a photo of you. However, it's kinda hard to say that it is a shadow of you, the clone may well become another person of it's own, though it would look just like you but with a better or worse haircut.
In terms of personality and disposition, I'm not sure exactly how much of an impact your genetics has on that, but I'm quite sure the environment would make a definite impact.

Lol, and I just thought about those stories where people clone themselves and let the clone finish some kind of job that they started to do and may not be able to finish.
I think it's quite impossible for a clone to agree with your exact ideas and know exactly what's going on, though with the right conditioning (too much effort), it may well be possible.
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The reason we die is because our cells stop dividing. Every thing a cell divide a region of its dna called telomere is shortened, and when the telomere reach its limit it stops dividing and the cell dies. Out body renew 98% of itself each year. If we can stop the shortening of the telomere our lifespan techincally can last forever.
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dude i do not want another me in this world one is enough
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nadeobakaire wrote:

Cloning.... I live in Philippines and the Church dun like the idea of cloning because for us we.. are all created by God and we are all unique.. that no none could possibly recopy the creation of God... and i agree... because.... yes, you have your clone but that is not "you" when you die the people around you is the one who can feek "ur presence" BUT as i said i'm a Christian so.... BUT your soul and spirit cannot be cloned... and besides i think cloning ar the clone itself did not expiriemced the changes and development normal people did... so i guess it's still different...


from what i know the christians said that god created earth or something in 6 days and rested on the 7... and that all animals are like the way they are now... if thats true?... where did the dinosaures and other early animals came from?...

I believe in the theory of evolution not god.... (unless i see him.... i wont believe him)


hmmmn i see... then let's JUST ssay that IF God doesnt exist.... how human evolved??? the theory of Charles Darwin?? i think??? that we human originated from monkey??? wat it's called the first ape?? ummmn ramapithecus i think.... but where is his evidence that is important in science and didint you read his book about saying sorry to God that he "tested" on something that he shouldnt have... and if i remember correctly he even said that he too.. was afraid that IF his theory was correct then we human ARE not different from any other animals...

how to say it... then if the theory was correct then we are merely an animal......
no can do... i'm not considering myself as an animal no.. never...
but am not saying that u should believe in God.. it's ur choice.. in my case it's my religion so am just saying the other side...
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Gabcom wrote:

The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.


That is what I thought at first, but let's go another direction. What about creating multiple clones to harvest organs? Certainly not going to grant you immortality, but it would significantly increase your life span.

And, I know there are going to be a lot of questions about morality (since you're right, it is the equivalent of an identical twin) but what if we were able to clone single organs?

Just playing devil's advocate- Imo you're argument is pretty solid. Immortality in the sense of rememberance has been maintained without clones. Hello, the pyramids, Lenin's preserved body?
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chocofluffywhip wrote:


Gabcom wrote:

The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.

... but what if we were able to clone single organs? ...


I believe that they are already testing that.
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Harue-Ikarus wrote:


chocofluffywhip wrote:


Gabcom wrote:

The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.

... but what if we were able to clone single organs? ...


I believe that they are already testing that.


I know that- but it still raises plenty of questions, many considering religion and ethics. Is there a point where it comes too close to cloning a human and taking their heart? Many religions feel that it is not mans place to create life, but to what extent? Is a beating heart life or does a conscious mind have to be behind it? How far is too far, that is if cloning is unethical in the first place.

Oh, and btw...
Cloning
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-8892/Cloning.html

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chocofluffywhip wrote:


Harue-Ikarus wrote:


chocofluffywhip wrote:


Gabcom wrote:

The clone will not be you, therefore the clone does not really affect you at all in terms of life-span or many other things for that matter.
Hell, a clone of you doesn't seem any different to having an identical twin.

... but what if we were able to clone single organs? ...


I believe that they are already testing that.


I know that- but it still raises plenty of questions, many considering religion and ethics. Is there a point where it comes too close to cloning a human and taking their heart? Many religions feel that it is not mans place to create life, but to what extent? Is a beating heart life or does a conscious mind have to be behind it? How far is too far, that is if cloning is unethical in the first place.

Oh, and btw...
Cloning
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-8892/Cloning.html

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They are going to use pigs so I don't think it will come too close to cloning a human. ;P And the pigs are going to be eaten anyway so it is best if we used everything we can use of them. At least then people wouldn't be able to abuse them too much so that their hearts don't get stressed.

My opinion is that cloning hearts would not be making life, but protecting it. Those hearts could save a lot of people, children too whose lives would be way too short without them.
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Harue-Ikarus wrote:

They are going to use pigs so I don't think it will come too close to cloning a human. And the pigs are going to be eaten anyway so it is best if we used everything we can use of them. At least then people wouldn't be able to abuse them too much so that their hearts don't get stressed.


Your theory that they wouldn't come close to cloning a human is already proven false by the fact that they are attempting to clone human organs. Isn't that an obvious step closer towards cloning a whole human? This is why many religions are against cloning sheep and pigs- it's not that they hate wool and bacon, but they know it could lead to that. While we may not be close (on a scientific and social level) that doesn't mean people wont find it the norm in a few decades to clone a human (whether it be for life of harvesting organs) Either way, religions want to avoid giving mortals that power.
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chocofluffywhip wrote:


Harue-Ikarus wrote:

They are going to use pigs so I don't think it will come too close to cloning a human. And the pigs are going to be eaten anyway so it is best if we used everything we can use of them. At least then people wouldn't be able to abuse them too much so that their hearts don't get stressed.


Your theory that they wouldn't come close to cloning a human is already proven false by the fact that they are attempting to clone human organs. Isn't that an obvious step closer towards cloning a whole human? This is why many religions are against cloning sheep and pigs- it's not that they hate wool and bacon, but they know it could lead to that. While we may not be close (on a scientific and social level) that doesn't mean people wont find it the norm in a few decades to clone a human (whether it be for life of harvesting organs) Either way, religions want to avoid giving mortals that power.


That just depends on what people consider too close. To me it is actually making something that can think like a human. Or close to it.
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