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Who do think was the greatest general or military leader history?
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Greatest military leader would have to be Genghis Khan (Though I would say he sucked as a nation-builder^^), reason being that he started all from scratch and just been a lowly tribal chief etc, alexander the great I would have to say comes second for he never lost but the main reason why he even was successful was because he had the best tutors and guidance from his father Phillip (who made the army) therefore allowing him to be successful and also putting in perspective, Alexander had to fight loosely discliplined, low-moraled armies and incompetent leaders using tricks that even a moderately learnt general could do and been more successful because of his greatly discliplined army and talent staff while genghis khan had to build his troops up, fight in a age where military warfare efficiency was at its peak and he had to fight well-discliplined armies, formidable defences, good generals and the like.

Sorry^^, I just like blabbering about history


your not totaly right about alexander
1 went is father died he as to reconquer greece so like gengish he star whit noting
2 your right he has a very good and disciplined army but she was strong whit 40 000 mens as for the persiance some battle it was over 1000 000 mes strong its 25 on 1 and he nevers loste more than 500 mens on almost all of his battle
3 he was fighting withe is man he was always the firts to fight in the history only the japaness, chiness, some europeen were fighting whit there mens and were able to direct the battle but not has good has he was
4 went he take over any of his city he never killed the population ( exept thebe and some city in the end of his conquest) the people like him Gengis kil most of the people or burn the city
But your right on Gengis he start whit noting to make the most bigest empire in the history of men but the reason of is succes was is light cavalry whitoute that it would have be much more difuculte to make his empire
But it would be nice to ssea a fight between them the heavy cavalry of alexander the great and the light cavalry od Gengis



Umm, Alexander the Great had the Macedonian army, which was greatly equipped, state of the art army..... Oh, and you are incorrect about Alexander not killing the population, look at Thebes (or Thessaly, I forgot, some Greek state), he killed and enslaved every single person there just for the sake to keep the rest of Greece in line. Ghenghis Khan however, killed most of the population (of the resisting towns) for strategical purposes so the civilians would spread the tales of terror so other cities were less likely to resist and more likely to submit and pay taxes. Oh and don't forget, Ghenghis Khan united a bunch of primitive nomads and made them world class soldiers, while Alexander inherited the world class soldiers and did not make any modification to the army (other than integrating foreign soldiers). Alexander also had two main components of the army: the Macedonian phalanx and the Companion Cavalry and the Companion Cavalry are the ones that almost always brought him victory whereas the infantry was more like a distraction. Furthermore, Ghenghis Khan started a military system that even today would be used, where the corps leaders had more power than the usual primitive system of giving all the power to the generals (like Alexander did), and the generals of the Mongolian army made the framework goals and the corp leaders worked within that in a matter that suited them best.


well your right but alexander did kill many people in greece but until he reach indian border he never destroy or exterminate the people of any city and if you look alexander may win because of is campanion cavalry but gengish is because of is light cavalry who was equipe whit bow and arrow no other nation has that so we can say that both were great general and sepande on the sirconstance of the battle the one was best than the other and visversa
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napoleon bonaparte


i think adolf hitler is good 2 :P

wait sorry... hitler not a military leader or general... well hes a good political leader :P


Hitlaer was not a good military general He was good whit people but he lost the war
1 he stop bombarding english airporte so the great britain was able to resiste the entire war to the gernamy
2 he go on war with urss
3 went the winter came he did not give is troop aniting to wage angans the cold
And he made a lot more mistacke like that


i did say hes not a military leader or general didnt i?... but hes a good political leader... i mean... damn everyone in germany worships him....

and yea... if he did not start the war with the soviets he can finish the british through more bombings... and if he finish the british he can conquer the whole western europe.... the mistake he made is with the declaring the war on the soviets.... if he can just have patience the germany would have won. also... as you said... when winter came with the war on the soviets.... he told his troops not to stop and the damn winter is freakin cold that year and the soviets used scorched earth policy again.... like how they did with napoleon... and they won again...

the two great huge mistakes of world war II is that the germans declared war on the soviets too early and the japanese attack on pearl harbor...


ya your right on this
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demonlord14 wrote:


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napoleon bonaparte


i think adolf hitler is good 2 :P

wait sorry... hitler not a military leader or general... well hes a good political leader :P


Hitlaer was not a good military general He was good whit people but he lost the war
1 he stop bombarding english airporte so the great britain was able to resiste the entire war to the gernamy
2 he go on war with urss
3 went the winter came he did not give is troop aniting to wage angans the cold
And he made a lot more mistacke like that


i did say hes not a military leader or general didnt i?... but hes a good political leader... i mean... damn everyone in germany worships him....

and yea... if he did not start the war with the soviets he can finish the british through more bombings... and if he finish the british he can conquer the whole western europe.... the mistake he made is with the declaring the war on the soviets.... if he can just have patience the germany would have won. also... as you said... when winter came with the war on the soviets.... he told his troops not to stop and the damn winter is freakin cold that year and the soviets used scorched earth policy again.... like how they did with napoleon... and they won again...

the two great huge mistakes of world war II is that the germans declared war on the soviets too early and the japanese attack on pearl harbor...


ya your right on this


would be nice if they won....
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Hannibal -- I personally really like himm. (yeah world wars had great generals to, but I am atill more into good old fighting).....Well yeah he failed too but...
But how he planned his battles, that was amazing...Especially Battle of Cannae 215 B.C ...........How he managed his units..How he got Romans in trap..An they underestimated him....I found that battle to be really genius......
Whe I read about Cannae battle I was amazed...True that Scipio defeated him..But I still think, he was one of the biggest and best general in history.....Still nothing last long, even Roman empire not...


Yeah I'm agreeing with you here. Hannibal was quite the strategist. It's simply amazing how he managed to take on the romans to begin with.
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Nobunaga. Brutal methods but necessary in a war with endless fighting, honor blah blah. Shame Mitsuhide didn't think so........
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o0James0o wrote:


demonlord14 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


demonlord14 wrote:


o0James0o wrote:

napoleon bonaparte


i think adolf hitler is good 2 :P

wait sorry... hitler not a military leader or general... well hes a good political leader :P


Hitlaer was not a good military general He was good whit people but he lost the war
1 he stop bombarding english airporte so the great britain was able to resiste the entire war to the gernamy
2 he go on war with urss
3 went the winter came he did not give is troop aniting to wage angans the cold
And he made a lot more mistacke like that


i did say hes not a military leader or general didnt i?... but hes a good political leader... i mean... damn everyone in germany worships him....

and yea... if he did not start the war with the soviets he can finish the british through more bombings... and if he finish the british he can conquer the whole western europe.... the mistake he made is with the declaring the war on the soviets.... if he can just have patience the germany would have won. also... as you said... when winter came with the war on the soviets.... he told his troops not to stop and the damn winter is freakin cold that year and the soviets used scorched earth policy again.... like how they did with napoleon... and they won again...

the two great huge mistakes of world war II is that the germans declared war on the soviets too early and the japanese attack on pearl harbor...


ya your right on this


would be nice if they won....


not sure of that we would have good side and bad side
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not sure of that we would have good side and bad side


well... u know... the winner is always justice.... its always good side with the winner... the losers are always the bad guys....
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...But it would be nice to see a fight between them the heavy cavalry of Alexander the great and the light cavalry of Genghis Khan...


Alexander the Great did have experience against Horse Archers. In the Battle of Jaxartes in 329 BC. He did so by sacrificing a group of mounted spearmen and leading the Scythians into a trap.

Once the Scythian cavalry engaged Alexander's horsemen, he got his Macedonian Infantry and Cretan Archers to advance; trapping the enemy horsemen between his cavalry and infantry.

Through use of combined arms tactics, Alexander was able to successfully defeat mounted archers.

Though I seriously doubt any good general would advance in battle with only a single type of troop at his disposal. Infantry auxiliaries have always played a huge importance on the battlefield be it ancient or modern warfare.
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demonlord14 wrote:
...But it would be nice to see a fight between them the heavy cavalry of Alexander the great and the light cavalry of Genghis Khan...


Alexander the Great did have experience against Horse Archers. In the Battle of Jaxartes in 329 BC. He did so by sacrificing a group of mounted spearmen and leading the Scythians into a trap.

Once the Scythian cavalry engaged Alexander's horsemen, he got his Macedonian Infantry and Cretan Archers to advance; trapping the enemy horsemen between his cavalry and infantry.

Through use of combined arms tactics, Alexander was able to successfully defeat mounted archers.

Though I seriously doubt any good general would advance in battle with only a single type of troop at his disposal. Infantry auxiliaries have always played a huge importance on the battlefield be it ancient or modern warfare.


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demonlord14 wrote:

not sure of that we would have good side and bad side


well... u know... the winner is always justice.... its always good side with the winner... the losers are always the bad guys....


lol but if he has win all juis would be kill all black or non white or christian except those under the control of tje japaness
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demonlord14 wrote:

not sure of that we would have good side and bad side


well... u know... the winner is always justice.... its always good side with the winner... the losers are always the bad guys....


History is written by the victor. More often than not, it is propaganda.

In war, victory does not necessarily go to the just or the righteous, but to those who will do whatever it takes to achieve it.
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General Alexander the Maceodonian Fag.
The greatest king was Augustice Caeser-First Emperor of Rome. ruled The Romans for 40 years never had a rebellion.
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Eririel wrote:


o0James0o wrote:


demonlord14 wrote:

not sure of that we would have good side and bad side


well... u know... the winner is always justice.... its always good side with the winner... the losers are always the bad guys....


History is written by the victor. More often than not, it is propaganda.

In war, victory does not necessarily go to the just or the righteous, but to those who will do whatever it takes to achieve it.


its a known fact.....

war are fought for freedom..... and that is the one and only thing all wars are about....

ps.... i believe u read it wrong.... i did not say justice is always the winner....
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Major Chiphazzard from TOY soliders! lol
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General Alexander the Maceodonian Fag.
The greatest king was Augustice Caeser-First Emperor of Rome. ruled The Romans for 40 years never had a rebellion.


Umm, why did you call Alexander the great the "Macedonian fag"?
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