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Posted 9/3/07 , edited 12/26/07
I am a feminist and I fail to see whypeople hate feminists for wanting equal rights and equal pay. (which still hasn't happened in the U.S yet) I mean I hear stuff like feminazi's all the time and I still can't figure out how self empowerment and equal opporatunity equates with genocide in some peoples minds. (Rush Limbaugh). This forum thread will be a discussion about the feminist movement (anywhere in the world) and womens rights. Feel free to express your opinions as long as they are not threatening or excessive hate.

EDIT: Let me make this clear.I don't believe that women are superior to men. I also don't believe that REAL feminists hold those values as well. personally I don't consider the women screaming "men are dogs" as feminists because they don't want equality. They want superiority.
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Posted 9/3/07
boy i could post why i hate some feminists but that would be to harsh

i will say this though women do deserve more equality
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Posted 9/3/07
Because they are biased and way too assertive.

Even if some women are put down, feminists should not act like women are superior.

That's just as bad as what you are fighting against.

*Note: I mean SOME feminists are like this.*
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Posted 9/3/07

fenderhawk wrote:

Because they are biased and way too assertive.

Even if some women are put down, feminists should not act like women are superior.

That's just as bad as what you are fighting against.

*Note: I mean SOME feminists are like this.*


What about the men who act superior? Is it alright for them to do this?
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Posted 9/3/07

artgeek707 wrote:


fenderhawk wrote:

Because they are biased and way too assertive.

Even if some women are put down, feminists should not act like women are superior.

That's just as bad as what you are fighting against.

*Note: I mean SOME feminists are like this.*


What about the men who act superior? Is it alright for them to do this?


Did I say that?
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Posted 9/3/07
Equality is the problem here..
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Posted 9/3/07

fenderhawk wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


fenderhawk wrote:

Because they are biased and way too assertive.

Even if some women are put down, feminists should not act like women are superior.

That's just as bad as what you are fighting against.

*Note: I mean SOME feminists are like this.*


What about the men who act superior? Is it alright for them to do this?


Did I say that?


no I'm just posing the question
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Cause a majority of feminists are hypocrites. And the extremes aka femnazis are hated by an large amount of the female population.

So in essence, you lose. Men > Woman. It has been for the past, it will be for centuries to come. You can bitch about it all you want, but it won't change until men feel sympathetic. Sad but true.
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I don't think anyone has a problem with the self empowerment aspect its the aspect where feminist just seem to assume everyone is out there to gun them down.

This thread is infact a prime example of such actions, every little offense, slip of tongue or mistake is immediately seen as an attack that must be broadcast to the world. It makes feminist come off as obnoxious, egotistical people giving feminist as a whole a bad image.

I am certain feminist don't want to be displayed that way but that is how you come off to the general public, so the majority of people try and steer clear of feminist rather than deal with their rants.

As fender said another reason why feminist get it so bad half the time is the scream that they want to be equal, all the while their actions show other wise.

I personally see the entire thing has pointless, why should it in the long run matter society is changing with out a doubt the stone has been thrown that causes the rock slide. Women have pretty much equal rights along with the benefits of being a women, what I see the feminist movement now as being is nothing more than something trying to cause conflict so they can stand up and say look at us we were right.

As for men who feel they are superior to women, it just means they immature perhaps on both a mental and emotional level. Now I leave this thread never to curse it again with my presence.
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Because sexist bitches use feminism as a disguise. It’s kind of like how people claim the Islamic religion and the Christian religion are the same thing and thus us protestants over here, (Most of us just doing what the atheists here do, that is, sitting around and complaining) are stereotyped as being bible-pushing religious zealots. Even though it’s the Muslim people (obviously not all of them) who are using ‘God’ as an excuse for the spread of fear and war, we Christians are being dragged down with them. Our reputation is being trampled on. (Along with the innocent Muslim people, who don’t use their religion as an excuse to murder infidels.) In the same way, these femnazi claim to be feminists. Rather than try and raise women up for the equality of sexes, they try and lower men and raise women for the superiority of the female sex.

Yet, they claim to be feminists. So people think they are feminists. So the true feminists, that tiny minority, that negligible modicum of women who really don’t think they’re superior, get a bum rep.

The truth is nearly ever single woman in America who claims to be a feminist is actually just a sexist in disguise. They point out the “Women don’t get paid as much,” (which is mostly crap, because the reason men are being statistically paid better is mainly because they statistically work harder. I’m sure there are the sexist and isolated incidents, but mostly it’s just because men are in large part working harder.) but they ignore the fact that men pay more for insurance.

I tell you this crap is annoying. I open the door for a girl and her mother starts shouting and cussing. Apparently I’m a male chauvinist pig. So I don’t open the door. Now I get vehement looks a muttered, ‘pigs.’

So what the hell do you chicks want me to do? I get bitched at no matter which line of action I take.

You see, feminists and femnazi both want to bring women to a higher level. Both are being counter productive and simply exacerbating things.

Just like the religious zealots. Just like the antireligious zealots. Just like the gay rights activists. Just like the antigay rights activists.

People need to seriously rethink their methods of appealing to people. Because being a controversial prick does not win people over to your side. Don’t believe me? Check out some of the replies I get to this post.

(Mind you, my attention isn’t to win anyone over. You people go believe whatever the hell you want. It’s not like I could sway you. )
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Posted 9/3/07

SeraphAlford wrote:

Because sexist bitches use feminism as a disguise. It’s kind of like how people claim the Islamic religion and the Christian religion are the same thing and thus us protestants over here, (Most of us just doing what the atheists here do, that is, sitting around and complaining) are stereotyped as being bible-pushing religious zealots. Even though it’s the Muslim people (obviously not all of them) who are using ‘God’ as an excuse for the spread of fear and war, we Christians are being dragged down with them. Our reputation is being trampled on. (Along with the innocent Muslim people, who don’t use their religion as an excuse to murder infidels.) In the same way, these femnazi claim to be feminists. Rather than try and raise women up for the equality of sexes, they try and lower men and raise women for the superiority of the female sex.

Yet, they claim to be feminists. So people think they are feminists. So the true feminists, that tiny minority, that negligible modicum of women who really don’t think they’re superior, get a bum rep.

The truth is nearly ever single woman in America who claims to be a feminist is actually just a sexist in disguise. They point out the “Women don’t get paid as much,” (which is mostly crap, because the reason men are being statistically paid better is mainly because they statistically work harder. I’m sure there are the sexist and isolated incidents, but mostly it’s just because men are in large part working harder.) but they ignore the fact that men pay more for insurance.

I tell you this crap is annoying. I open the door for a girl and her mother starts shouting and cussing. Apparently I’m a male chauvinist pig. So I don’t open the door. Now I get vehement looks a muttered, ‘pigs.’

So what the hell do you chicks want me to do? I get bitched at no matter which line of action I take.

You see, feminists and femnazi both want to bring women to a higher level. Both are being counter productive and simply exacerbating things.

Just like the religious zealots. Just like the antireligious zealots. Just like the gay rights activists. Just like the antigay rights activists.

People need to seriously rethink their methods of appealing to people. Because being a controversial prick does not win people over to your side. Don’t believe me? Check out some of the replies I get to this post.

(Mind you, my attention isn’t to win anyone over. You people go believe whatever the hell you want. It’s not like I could sway you. )

I know I kind of expected this but could we please refrain from using the word bitch (or son of a bitch).
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I think it be a reasonable request though the word does describe rather accurately the way some people respond. Oh and seraph I think that was perhaps one of the most reasonable posts I have ever seen you make.
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Honestly? I don't see a problem, for right now I feel as if men and women are basically equal. Maybe thats just because I haven't really experienced the workplace or anything, but eh *shrugs*

Most people don't hate feminists, just the stupid ones who don't really understand the meaning of the term. ^^'
Posted 9/3/07
The problem is not with feminism, it is with people's perception of feminism.

There is also the problem with a small number of feminists who are radicals, but I shan't get into that.

The main aim of feminism is equality! This a worthy aim, on the whole it has been achieved, it could still be improved upon. (though there are obvious physical barriers such as child birth)

Seraph made some reasonable points here, however he missed the biggest point. He said;

They point out the “Women don’t get paid as much,” (which is mostly crap, because the reason men are being statistically paid better is mainly because they statistically work harder. I’m sure there are the sexist and isolated incidents, but mostly it’s just because men are in large part working harder.) but they ignore the fact that men pay more for insurance.


Here he got the reason wrong.
The reason women get paid less (on average) is because more of them (on average) have a part time jobs, because they are expected to look after their children. Part time jobs pay less.
The reason women have part time jobs is because there aren't enough kindergarten places, or too short school days, or too few extra curricular activities.

Feminists are being treated like liberals. The word has been turned into an insult by using it to label a small group of radicals, who would be better labelled with something else. (leftist socialists and "feminazis") If we keep the meanings of the word to a smaller, better defined area, then we can start to use them to describe people, before that they tell us nothing more about the person and just introduce negative stigma.

And a final point;

Men =\= Women
Neither are better nor worse, they are just different. Accept it.

v Did you really need to use the word "F**k" in that post?
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Posted 9/3/07
I think it was either Jo Brand or Germaine Greer (usually hard to confuse the two) that commented that modern feminists are intent on ruining the world for women. In the past, women were for babies and whatnot, then they could either have a career or raise children. Now they have to do both.

I have no problem with feminists, I do have a problem with people displaying blatant misandry and masking it as feminism. If you are equal you can’t be superior.
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