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I don't think that you can judge an entire sex on test scores only. Intelligence is more an individual trait than that of a gender, in my personal opinion. There are just as many smart guys as smart girls and stupid guys as stupid girls. Also males seem excel in areas like spatial reasoning and geometry, whereas females seem excel in literature and logical reasoning. (at least in my personal experiences, I don't know about statistically)

Seraph, your agruement about the suicide rate being higher in males than females is faulty because, if you look at the statistics, females have a significantly higher rate of attempted suicide than males, meaning that males are more successful at suicide than females. I think this is because males are more direct in suicide (i.e. guns) and females are more likely to use pills or slit their wrists, which if found quickly enough, can be treated and death prevent.
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I don't understand your point of view (any of you)...
feminism is not about intelligence, IQ or whatever, it is about power, and I'm glad to not be the only one who noticed how much power we lost in the past 100 years.

Women are different, not better not worst, not equal, to be perfectly honest in any systems of any species, they are more important than the male, they produce children, they provide life!!!!!! That alone is more important than any job...
It's like the past 50 years, feminism as only put a price on what was done by the women of the past as their jobs, their duty.
healty lunch 15$-40$
pants 30$-150$ (and even more if it's a designer brand)
cleaning 20$ an hour......
and this goes on and on

That said, I would gladly get back to this job anytime, if it's consider to be a job, as essencial as it is.
I don't hate feminists, I just think they made their point, and we should get over it.... because the most important part of our power is now owned by strangers, raising the children!

As for the suicide part.... What the....... I'll end the debate right now....
Suicide rate would be way lower if there was a calm unstressed woman at home, with the smell of a nice homemade meal!
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i agree w/ ya
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My opinion is that there are gender differences. Things men are just better at, and that should be accepted and not made into some big deal when it's not hurting anyone.
Posted 9/3/07
Lol even if feminism did rule the Earth, I wouldn't take advantage of it. This isn't really a huge deal to me. I look down on females who are too feministic. Sure, boys make mistakes (and I do have moments when I absolutely cannot stand them) but I know I'm not great, either.

I guess I'm a little pissed about this whole feminism thing because my gym teacher is always saying how we women are the epitome of perfection, when I know that's clearly bull.

Just don't put too much thought into it. There are more important things to worry about. We might have a female pres and all that soon, anyway.
Posted 9/3/07
^yes, respect for one's weaknesses should be always there.... in the end, we just can't live without the other

But I also have some feministic views from time to time too. Like how I believe I don't need a man to carry a one gallon-ful of water. ^^ Independence is great ;D
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Posted 9/3/07
i dont mind at all....ahahahaha
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esilabet wrote:

I don't understand your point of view (any of you)...
feminism is not about intelligence, IQ or whatever, it is about power, and I'm glad to not be the only one who noticed how much power we lost in the past 100 years.

Women are different, not better not worst, not equal, to be perfectly honest in any systems of any species, they are more important than the male, they produce children, they provide life!!!!!! That alone is more important than any job...
It's like the past 50 years, feminism as only put a price on what was done by the women of the past as their jobs, their duty.
healty lunch 15$-40$
pants 30$-150$ (and even more if it's a designer brand)
cleaning 20$ an hour......
and this goes on and on

That said, I would gladly get back to this job anytime, if it's consider to be a job, as essencial as it is.
I don't hate feminists, I just think they made their point, and we should get over it.... because the most important part of our power is now owned by strangers, raising the children!

As for the suicide part.... What the....... I'll end the debate right now....
Suicide rate would be way lower if there was a calm unstressed woman at home, with the smell of a nice homemade meal!


You seem to forget that without males females couldn't produce children, so males are just as important in reproduction as females You say that women are not better then males, yet your comment contridicts that, you put males down by lessening their role in reproduction etc. Saying that women are the only ones that raise children is a load of bull. If a mother is a stay at home mom and looks after the kids the father works just as hard, if not harder, to provide for the family and help raise the child.

Also you talk about how women have lost power in the last 100 years! You gotta be kidding me! Women have gained the right to vote, run for office and are offered equal opportunities as men, and you say women have lost power?

EDIT: The suicide thing was off topic, I was basically just saying that women actually attempt suicide more but males are more successful at it than females, in response to Seraph's comment (which I agree with), which I don't feel like repeating so, just read it.
Posted 9/3/07
I finish on feminisms face then kick them in the shin

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Ok,
These kind of subject can't be covered in 30 words.....

I'm sorry, I don't deny the part of a man in reproduction... but you sure don't have to carry, give birth, feed and raise the child... the point is easy to understand, man and woman are not equal, not equivelent, not the same.... and I,m a woman, so of course I think my job is more important than yours! Whoever can't admit that.... are just hypocrits... and I would also be quite troubled if a man did not think is job was more important, if so, how can you do it right.

About the power

Tyrfing wrote:

I think it was either Jo Brand or Germaine Greer (usually hard to confuse the two) that commented that modern feminists are intent on ruining the world for women. In the past, women were for babies and whatnot, then they could either have a career or raise children. Now they have to do both.


I don't plan to give 1000 explainations about that, yes they can vote, run for office.... but the truth is.. it's just a matter of title ; ''public knowledge of'', I speak about the real power, what can change things, change the world, for better or worse, and that, women have done it before. They ruled over the familly, the village even country. Now women have to get in the 'man system' to do so.

There is plenty of work done on the subject, in sociology, they all come to the same conclusion.... all the problems that the early feminists were planing to solve are not solved, and more problems apeared.
Posted 9/3/07
I think it's good that there should be more awareness for women from men but it shouldn't be made into a sort of campaign to belittle man. There are many schools of thoughts out there but I think that ultimately, the goal was to have certain men respect their counterparts where ever and whenever it was.

As for which is greater, neither one is greater or lower than each other. They are both equally low.
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but you know whats unfair? even though feminists strive for EQUALITY.. u still hear them say things like "that shud b a mans job" "ur the man the house~! your responsibility" and so on...
i dont hate feminists, and im not directing it at u.
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lovelishaa wrote:

but you know whats unfair? even though feminists strive for EQUALITY.. u still hear them say things like "that shud b a mans job" "ur the man the house~! your responsibility" and so on...
i dont hate feminists, and im not directing it at u.


Basically most feminists want the perks of being a man along with the perks of being a woman. Those are the only feminists I hate.
Posted 9/3/07
There are men who are feminist, but I wouldn't personally go as far as saying I'm a feminist just because I may have more respect or awareness for women than other men do. In the past, not all men were jerks. For those woman who were fortunate enough to find such a wonderful man, they were happy. It's the same today. Some people are just better than others.

Equality is such a mysterious word. It's a very complex word to grasp when you think of the sheer difference in everyone. I think it's best to say that people should become or at the very least be willing to be more aware of each other regardless of gender.

But from just observing, I've found some women to be just as bad as men. There were times when they were even worse than their counterparts but that's not to say that there aren't men who are worst than their counterparts.

Personally, equality is a bunch of bull. I don't even know how to treat myself "equally" so how should I treat another person "equally?" I don't know but at least I try to have a have respectful demeanor when dealing with people.
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esilabet wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't deny the part of a man in reproduction... but you sure don't have to carry, give birth, feed and raise the child... the point is easy to understand, man and woman are not equal, not equivelent, not the same....

Men don't raise children? Fathers don't raise their children? What kind of men do you know? Or do they all leave once the children are born? :fury:

and I,m a woman, so of course I think my job is more important than yours!

There are so many things I could say about this sentence, but I don;t wish to infer meaning that isn't there.


I don't plan to give 1000 explainations about that, yes they can vote, run for office.... but the truth is.. it's just a matter of title ; ''public knowledge of'', I speak about the real power, what can change things, change the world, for better or worse, and that, women have done it before. They ruled over the familly, the village even country.


Matriarchal societies have been largely supplanted by patriarchal ones that is true, I'm not sure how it happened but I think it has something to do with the DaVinci Code.


Now women have to get in the 'man system' to do so.


It's not "the man system" its just the "system" women shouldn't have any short cut to power by virtue of being women. Which is exactly what you are suggesting.


all the problems that the early feminists were planing to solve are not solved, and more problems apeared.


Could you vague that up a little please? What problems were they trying to fix if not for the discrepancy in rights between men and women? And what new problems are there?
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