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Do you guys suffer from Ophtalmic migraine.?
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whats that?


Rad the first post....

I don't know much about it....in fact , its a first
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jamashinaideyo wrote:

whats that?


what's what ?:D


nothing...
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atrachan wrote:


jamashinaideyo wrote:

whats that?


what's what ?:D


nothing...


it's not a place to make jokes
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so it's due to stress and light

well, currently i am not stressing at all
i never did in high school either.. or ever from what i remember <__<;

and i have no problems with having the lights on
well, except maybe my drawing light.. it's so freaking bright.. (but i don't think it's bright enough for drawing)
that won't cause me to start having that if i start stressing out will it? o__O

kuz i use it kind of often.. well, except this month kuz i've been lazy as hell..
but i sometimes have it on for hours at a time.. drawing is addictive -___-

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atrachan wrote:


jamashinaideyo wrote:


atrachan wrote:


jamashinaideyo wrote:

whats that?


what's what ?:D


nothing...


it's not a place to make jokes


i'm not making any joke.
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Atra, did the doctors even tried to examine your head... like Cerebral angiography, CT, or MRI if you have neurologic abnormalities? You might be having a brain tumor, aneurysm (dilated blood vessels that popped and blood pours out), severe hypertension, head injury, etc.

You don't treat migraines with antibiotic. Antibiotic is used to kill or stop the growth of bacteria. You don't use antibiotics when there's no bacteria to kill at the first place. If you keep taking antibiotics for a long time, you might already harvesting some toxicity in your body.
The cause of migraine has not been clearly demonstrated, but it is primarily a vascular disturbance (inflammation of blood vessels on your brain) that occurs more commonly in women and has strong familial tendencies. Your eyes have opthalmic nerves that are connected to the brain. If the blood vessels are inflamed in the opthalmic section of your brain, of course, it would put pressure to the nerves of your eyes as well.

The drugs that should be prescribed for you should be analgesics (pain reliever), sedatives (makes you relax and sleepy), antiaxiety, and antiemetics (for vomitting).

Facts:
- migraine are likely to occur when patient is ill, overtired, or feeling stressed (I hope it's not me, Atra. Remember, it's Nareem T_T).
- migraine is handled with the importance of proper diet, adequate rest (Atra, you sleep like 4 hours a day), and coping stragies (e.g. Atra lies quietly in a darkened room with head slightly elevated).
- Drinking black coffee may be helpful.
- Avoidance of offending factors (e.g. not whatsome :D).
- Awaken at the same time each day; disruption of normal sleeping pattern provokes a migraine in many patients.


N-e-ways, don't rely on my post. IT'S BEST TO CONSULT ANOTHER DOCTOR... and another... and another. No, don't even rely on edsamac.


I suffer from this kind of migraine as well and all that's pointed out above is completely right. (Maybe the person above is a medical school student?). I was really shocked to read that antibiotics are being prescribed for migraine, I find it completely absurd (or maybe is some kind of experimental trearment?...). I´m a very studious person and always have to understand what's wrong with me when I'm ill, so I always choose the doctor that seems more knowledgeable and can explain things clearly to me. I do research on my own as well, so I would like to add a couple of things to contribute with the topic. I apologize beforehand if my English is not very good as I don’t use technical expressions in English that often.
Given that there's a high possibility of a vascular problem to be related to migraines (poor irrigation of blood to your head causes lack of oxygen which can cause the migraines). Habits that help a better circulation of blood and oxygenation of your brain may help. You could try exercise and breathing training (yes, like that in yoga and those kind of practices or that one they teach asthmatic people in hospitals) to use better your lung capacity and oxygenate your body better. Also, when you’re tense the muscles at the base of your neck become hard making it more difficult for the veins to irrigate tour brain, so try to keep yourself relaxed or give yourself a massage from time to time to release tension form your back and neck. On the other hand, there are foods that you might need to avoid such as sweets, fried stuff and dark drinks (even though, caffeine is proven to help with migraines as it dilates the vessels and, therefore, helps you oxygenate your body better).
Also, you might want to try with acupuncture. There are some allopathic fanatics that won't allow any benefits from this kind of therapies, but it seems that for the treatment of migraines, acupuncture works pretty well. I personally tried it after years of taking pain killers which effects became less and less perceivable, and it worked really well, reducing intensity and frequency of my migraines.
That's from the medical and physical account, but there's a bit more to it on the psychological part. There have been studies that relate psychological facts to head aches including migraine. People who push themselves too much, or live by other people's standards are easy to become stressed even when there are no particular events that make them so. You might not notice the stress, but your body is showing you the symptom of it. Some people recover form migraines (along with many other kinds of pain) after a year of a good therapy, so this fact must not be underestimated.
Finally, as Whatsome said, you do not need to trust my word for it, keep seeing doctors but try to have more than one opinion if the solutions they give you are not helping.



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I get something similar to yours. I think its the same. But not so serious.

It would usually hit me and I know that its coming. Firstly, there would be this headache creeping up on me. When I feel that coming, I would usually drink tons of water. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. It mostly doesnt. Anyway, my pupils would dilate after that and slowly everything I see would become much brighter and my gosh, it hurts like hell. Then I would see white spots. Then the effects of the creeping headache would take place and my head would feel like its splitting into two. You know, the throbbing kind... I would feel nauseous but wont vomit. I usually try not to do anything after that. Just drink a cup of water and bathe if I feel up to it. Then I would go to my room, close the curtains (cause the darkness does help) and sleep until the next morning. The headache would usually still be there the next day but not so bad. It would usually fade away into the afternoon, most of the time. The worst I got was it lasting two days.

I hate headaches. I can deal with stomache, cramps.. But not headaches. Really cant do anything well when I have them.
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well still after the exams i had nothing odd was detected that's the problem !
we are not talking about migraine only ! in fact i can bare that migraine by only stayin in the pitch black with no sound or odors around me !

but i need to know what's that thing i'm seeing !!!


Thank you hijadeldragon help appreciated !!
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I've been suffering from Ophtalmic migraine from the last 10 years as long a si remember

it comes randomly and without any specific reason
at first i thought it was because , of food ? the water ?? then thought it was due to period , (but recently met some guy friends who have it as well )


first it starts with some lighting effects it's like Black and White **sometimes colored*moving extremely Fast* first it takes a small place on your vision then it get bigger and bigger until it's spread all over ! i just close windows and door hide under my blanket for about 30 minute s until it's gone , then the severe headaches start it's a general headache, but then it's EXTREMELY strong and located behind the eyes,for like the whole day ,, and last thing is that i vomit .after doing it it's like nothing happened at al !!
went to several docs , but they just give me antibiotics and tell me *live with it*
This last about 30minutes to 1 hour before decreasing and returning to normal.
Then, the pain starts, and keep increasing during about 2 hours sometimes the whole day !

I must stay in complete darkness with no noise,and i get irritated by anything i smell perfume, food etc , and try to sleep. But the pain is to strong to fall asleep...
It's "ok" when I finally fell asleep, but then during the next 2 or 2 days, I'm so tired and i'm like unable to concentrate on anything .
when i searched on the Internet i found out that it's due to stress and Light !! basically i just have a spot light while using my computer, i can't stay exposed to a lot of light or i'm sure that'll have it coming by 15 mnns

till now i met only one friend who has it and one of my buddies here on cr too her bf is suffering from it

when i tell my family abut it they think that i'm lying since everything disappear the moment i vomit


do you have it as well ?? if yes tell me how do you live with it , and what do you do when you have it ?


I don't think is necessarily due to stress and light only. I think the main reason doctors just tell you to 'live with it' is because the factors involving this type of migraine are not entirely understood. It does not involve just the eyes as some may think. The brain is also involved and probably something happening on the blood vessels. Another possible reason could be that the drugs used to treat a migraine have some side effects and those may not be worth getting just to treat the migraine. In other words the side effects could outnumber the benefits.

It seems to me that this is greatly interfering with your regular life, but I'm not sure since I don't see anywhere in your post anything about the frequency of these migraines. How often do you have them?

I am an optometry student and while I really don't have much knowledge about optometry yet, based on the little I have read, I assume that if the frequency of these migraines is enough to interfere with your quality of life and put you at risk, ( getting a migraine and getting your vision affected, putting you at risk of an accident if you are driving for example) then probably a neurologist should be able to help you or at least evaluate you better than a regular doctor about this.
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It seems to me that the bolded section of the first post is an anecdotal account of some person's experiences with this "phantom pain", and not necessarily your own. Apparently, there are several inconsistencies, specifically with the part that the doctors the person consulted gave the person "antibiotics".

Note that antibiotics aren't given unless there is suspicion of a microbial infection. Migraines are actually a specific type of head pain that is usually caused by increased intracranial pressure. It can usually be mistakenly used for general, non-specific head aches that are simply a sign of acute inflammation, perhaps somewhere else in the body. I find it unlikely that a doctor would go ahead and prescribe antibiotics without first diagnosing for the presence of any possible microorganisms ~ and that would mean assessing for possible increased intracranial pressure if it is, indeed, a migraine.

Furthermore, it is unlikely that antibiotics, again, would be given since the symptomatology of the patient appears to be cranial in nature. If it does have something to do with the brain, then it's highly unlikely that a microorganism is to blame given the integrity of the Blood Brain Barrier. Though there are some organisms that can pass this barrier (i.e. certain parasites, including Plasmodium spp.), then this has to be assessed with the proper tests.

Even though I'm not yet a doctor, I condemn whoever the doctor was that prescribed antibiotics off the bat for being lazy and just plain idiotic.


As per the idea of light causing pains and other related symptoms, it sounds like a neuropathic pain, more than anything else ~ meaning, it's a pain generated from the brain, despite no notable sign of stimulus to elicit pain. Several tests have to be done to determine whether or not it is, indeed, a neuropathic pain, but usually, opioids would have to be administered (if the pain is unbearable), while the use of anticonvulsant drugs and ATCs (i.e. amytriptyline) may be advised. But note, this only follows a proper diagnosis of neuropathic pain ~ otherwise, it is an occult pain of unknown origin, which sadly cannot be treated other than reserving the patient from any aggravating stimuli (i.e. light exposure).



EDIT: I just noticed you said "the pain disappears when I vomit". This might sound weird, but when you vomit, does the vomit proceed in a projectile like manner (i.e. as if shooting out), or does it simply come out as in a spill? It's important to know, since projectile-like vomitus is indicative of an increase in intracranial pressure, and may warrant looking into.



whatsome wrote:

Atra, did the doctors even tried to examine your head... like Cerebral angiography, CT, or MRI if you have neurologic abnormalities? You might be having a brain tumor, aneurysm (dilated blood vessels that popped and blood pours out), severe hypertension, head injury, etc.


That's quite a number of modalities you mentioned... but I think CT should be the first choice to determine increased intracranial pressure, possibly due to a mass, or an increase in CSF output by the ventricles. It's preferred over MRI due to price, and Cerebral Angiography due to invasiveness of the procedure. But in short, yes, you're right about modalities concerning the head that need looking into.



You don't treat migraines with antibiotic. Antibiotic is used to kill or stop the growth of bacteria. You don't use antibiotics when there's no bacteria to kill at the first place. If you keep taking antibiotics for a long time, you might already harvesting some toxicity in your body.
The cause of migraine has not been clearly demonstrated, but it is primarily a vascular disturbance (inflammation of blood vessels on your brain) that occurs more commonly in women and has strong familial tendencies. Your eyes have opthalmic nerves that are connected to the brain. If the blood vessels are inflamed in the opthalmic section of your brain, of course, it would put pressure to the nerves of your eyes as well.


Correct. However, the term "migraine" was used from the context of a lay person, so it might have different implications that would a medical definition of migraine. Thus, an proper history and examination should be done.


The drugs that should be prescribed for you should be analgesics (pain reliever), sedatives (makes you relax and sleepy), antiaxiety, and antiemetics (for vomitting).


Analgesics might not help if the pain is indeed a migraine. Opioids will be preferred in many instances. I'm not too sure about sedatives, but you're right about antianxiety (antidepressant) drugs, and these are actually used in the treatment of neuropathic pains, which might be the case in this scenario.



N-e-ways, don't rely on my post. IT'S BEST TO CONSULT ANOTHER DOCTOR... and another... and another. No, don't even rely on edsamac.


Bitch.


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thats scary!!..ive never had it but i dont want to anyway ive had headaches and pains but this i dont wanna have at all!!>...
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I don't think is necessarily due to stress and light only. I think the main reason doctors just tell you to 'live with it' is because the factors involving this type of migraine are not entirely understood


this is true, when i gave up going through examination i looked for it in the internet and all forums headed to the conclusion that it is not truly understood... it does not involve just the eyes as some may think. The brain is also involved and probably something happening on the blood vessels

like it is said here ;


The cause is due to a temporary spasm in the blood vessels behind the eye called "vasospasm" similar to a spasm or cramp that you may have once experienced in one of your leg muscles (Charlie-Horse). Usually, this resolves without treatment and many people never have another episode. Some people may continue to have them. An examination of the eye is important to rule out any other causes for these symptoms.



mauz15 wrote:
Another possible reason could be that the drugs used to treat a migraine have some side effects and those may not be worth getting just to treat the migraine. In other words the side effects could outnumber the benefits.


i found this ;

In the rare instance that these symptoms continue to recur on a regular basis and interfere with one's quality of life, then treatment is available with pills that both decrease the frequency of attacks as well the severity of the attacks. Treatment is usually started in consultation with an internist, family physician, or neurologist. We usually reserve treatment for those patients who have symptoms regularly and it interferes with daily living because the medications used to treat migraine can have side effects, just like any medication.



my brother lives aborad and i asked him to look for that and i asked doctors here but they seem like not informed about it, the health care here is so so...



mauz15 wrote:
It seems to me that this is greatly interfering with your regular life, but I'm not sure since I don't see anywhere in your post anything about the frequency of these migraines. How often do you have them?



It does interfere with my life , several times i wake up in the morning get ready to leave and the second i put my shoes they come again , so i have no choice but to stay at home the whole day , especially with university and my job as it is done in front of the computer and need visual efforts ...It's Random , the doctor asked me if it was due to my period i said no it has nothing to do with that , it happened that i got that migraine sometimes for 2 or 3 days in a raw, i can't tell you the exact time because it's really not regular, i visited this page hours ago because yesterday i had it again so i wanted to see if anyone posted something new. When i get it sometimes i just think i'm going to turn blind , seriously it's scary to not know what wrong with your health and especially the sight , and as i can't afford treatment abroad it can't be helped but to *live with it*.


mauz15 wrote:
I am an optometry student and while I really don't have much knowledge about optometry yet, based on the little I have read, I assume that if the frequency of these migraines is enough to interfere with your quality of life and put you at risk, ( getting a migraine and getting your vision affected, putting you at risk of an accident if you are driving for example) then probably a neurologist should be able to help you or at least evaluate you better than a regular doctor about this

i never thought of going to neurologist seriously ... you can say that i kind of gave up trying to understand what's wrong since nothing works . even went through Hidjama (cupping) see here http://membres.lycos.fr/hidjama/hidjama_ang.htm i just lost weight , and my blood pressure became regular again , i had it low , (with sport too) . Sorry im not really informed about medical terms

as you notice my only resource here is Internet that's how i got to know more about it ...




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It seems to me that the bolded section of the first post is an anecdotal account of some person's experiences with this "phantom pain", and not necessarily your own. Apparently, there are several inconsistencies, specifically with the part that the doctors the person consulted gave the person "antibiotics".

Not me ...



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Even though I'm not yet a doctor, I condemn whoever the doctor was that prescribed antibiotics off the bat for being lazy and just plain idiotic.


i stoped taken them a while ago i ust drink medicinal plants whenever i got it ... and you are quiet right about that...




edsamac wrote: wrote:
As per the idea of light causing pains and other related symptoms, it sounds like a neuropathic pain, more than anything else ~ meaning, it's a pain generated from the brain, despite no notable sign of stimulus to elicit pain. Several tests have to be done to determine whether or not it is, indeed, a neuropathic pain, but usually, opioids would have to be administered (if the pain is unbearable), while the use of anticonvulsant drugs and ATCs (i.e. amytriptyline) may be advised. But note, this only follows a proper diagnosis of neuropathic pain ~ otherwise, it is an occult pain of unknown origin, which sadly cannot be treated other than reserving the patient from any aggravating stimuli (i.e. light exposure).


i think i'm going to give it a try since both you and Mauz say so... but i didn't go out of weakness that's all and it's not an excuse ...



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EDIT: I just noticed you said "the pain disappears when I vomit". This might sound weird, but when you vomit, does the vomit proceed in a projectile like manner (i.e. as if shooting out), or does it simply come out as in a spill? It's important to know, since projectile-like vomitus is indicative of an increase in intra-cranial pressure, and may warrant looking into.


if i did eat , i throw up everything ...if not so just like you are throwing nothing it's painfull hope you get what i meant...
the fact that i got that pressure in my head while throwing ease my eyes pain they become bloody red and even tears goes out because f the effort i made when everything stops ... all the pain disappear.


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if i did eat , i throw up everything ...if not so just like you are throwing nothing it's painfull hope you get what i meant...
the fact that i got that pressure in my head while throwing ease my eyes pain they become bloody red and even tears goes out because f the effort i made when everything stops ... all the pain disappear.


Actually, I was asking how you vomit. Meaning, when you vomit, does the vomit fly out of your mouth, like a fountain, or does it just spill out like any typical vomitus?
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atrachan wrote:

if i did eat , i throw up everything ...if not so just like you are throwing nothing it's painfull hope you get what i meant...
the fact that i got that pressure in my head while throwing ease my eyes pain they become bloody red and even tears goes out because f the effort i made when everything stops ... all the pain disappear.


Actually, I was asking how you vomit. Meaning, when you vomit, does the vomit fly out of your mouth, like a fountain, or does it just spill out like any typical vomitus?


welll ...-typical vomitus-... i guess flying out of my mouth.. no
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