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How long has time gone for?
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Posted 3/20/08
I'm not too sure whether there is another thread like this but here I go.

I would like to hear your thoughts of when you believe time 'started'. This question came into my mind as we were talking about it in my Biblical Studies class (Compulsory). Yes I am a Christian and my teacher says that the start of time or better yet Earth was created 6,000 years ago, this number was apparently formed from adding the genealogy of the Bible, yes I know this will come into the respect that the Bible is a lie and completely untrue, nonetheless I would like to hear your thoughts on this matter. I personally believe time or that the Earth was created much longer than 6,000 years ago.

One point he (The teacher) used to back up his statement, or better yet try and argue when I said "What about fossils" he said that Carbon Dating is one the most inaccurate types of dating. Also he told us about how this persons dog had hid a dog bone under the ground for a week and the owner found it, thinking it was worth a tonne and extremely old. Carbon Dating showed it was 4 or 5 million year old. This is how he backed himself up.

Once again, I just want to hear your thoughts on this matter.
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Yeah I'm a Christian too, and I believe that those scientists claiming that Earth was more than 5 billion/million years old were wrong..
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Wow... What empirical proof that the world is 6000 years old, an account of someone believing a bone buried by a dog is 4-5 million years old. The best part of this story is there is no citations or anything just the account from someone who is obviously biased against scientific studies. Yeah I'm sure all those dead bodies turned into fossils overnight or the Christian god implanted those into the ground just to fuck with everyone's mind.
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I'm assuming your teacher said that the earth is 6000 years old based on counting from the beginning of the 6 creative days. There is, however, no proof that those 6 days were literal 24 hour days. In fact, according to Bible usage, many times "day" can be in reference to a measured period of time spanning a thousand years or many thousands of years. For example, if one were to say "In Noah's day...", would you assume that that referred to one literal day? Noah lived a lifetime in a literal 24 hour period? Of course not. That makes no sense.

Therefore, it would be highly unlikely that the earth is merely 6000 years old. In reality, there is no way of telling exactly or even approximately how old the earth is.
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Actually radio carbon dating is very accurate but many young earth creationists spread lies about it after it was published in a paper that new rock soon after the lava cooled down enough to test it was dated to be millions of years, the scientist was testing old pieces of stone that were left after the lava flow (these are a frequent occurrence and have a name but i can't remember). Also the age of the earth was calculated with people living to be in their 900's so it isn't exactly the most trust worthy place to determine the age of the earth.
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This site should answer any concerns about actual scientific dating of the Earth: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-age-of-earth.html#creacrit

I'm afraid that an ancient book supported by no evidence but itself is not reliable. Furthermore, the argument to justify the Bible that says days for God are much longer than 24 hours must open up the entire text to interpretation, at which point it can no longer be absolute and singular in meaning to any degree of certainty. One cannot justifiably cherry-pick certain aspects of the Bible to interpret and ignore others.

As far as my own beliefs regarding time's beginning, I can claim with certainty that I neither know nor care. Presumably, there must have been space for time to be an applicable concept, but it is impossible for me to conceive of anything outside of time and space because I am deeply embedded within it. The answer that makes the most sense to me is that there is neither beginning nor end to it, even though that, too, is outside our realm of understanding and cannot be proven.

EDIT: I should add that it is very sad that someone who is paid to teach in a classroom should be making these claims, especially when he only seems to argue against other points rather than back up his own.
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But did you think that possibly there is evidence other than itself for backing? Isn't it possible that it could be scientifically accurate? It is true, if you're going to make a point using the Bible, you have to take into consideration not only its context but also other passages that may seem to contradict the ones you're using. You also have to make sure not to add "facts" out of your own initiative. As far as the days of God being longer than 24 hours, 2 Peter 3:8 states, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." That's from the King James Version, one of the most widely accepted translations of the Bible. Based on what the initial posters teacher is teaching, 1 simple scripture has thrown his 6000 year hypothesis out the window. That's something the teacher could think about before making a claim with holes in it in my opinion.

I'm not dissing carbon dating or others beliefs as to how old the earth is, but I personally don't believe that it is only 6000 years old.
Posted 4/15/08
earth is billions of years old!
Posted 4/15/08
Time cannot have a start for say. Time is a rational passage of change in what we believe is our memory. Time is more or less of an illusion. In the true universe, there is no stop. Stuff just happens. Humans invented time as a means to predict reoccurring events and as a way to log events only in their memories. We could've been created 5 seconds ago with all these memories in our heads. What seems like the past could just be an illusion.
Actually, you could've just been born now and you only believe you read my sentences above when you where really just instantly creating knowing the above text. Interesting, eh?
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Time began when humans began keeping track of the length of a day based on the Earth's revolutions. So I guess you could say it started a few hundred thousand years ago.
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I really have no idea. Time has always been here. Just that it wasnt counted. Haha.
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the time we go by is human made. so the scientific calculations and so is not real. but the real time that makes us old and that makes things happen, i believe it cannot b said 2 hav a starting point. even though i agree w/ the god creating and all but even b4 god created us, wouldnt there b time w/ god? so would time itself go way beyond the creation of humans or the universe?
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SadMystery wrote:

the time we go by is human made. so the scientific calculations and so is not real. but the real time that makes us old and that makes things happen, i believe it cannot b said 2 hav a starting point. even though i agree w/ the god creating and all but even b4 god created us, wouldnt there b time w/ god? so would time itself go way beyond the creation of humans or the universe?


hmmm... person who believe in God will say that God is not bound by space and time.
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tweety_cool wrote:


SadMystery wrote:

the time we go by is human made. so the scientific calculations and so is not real. but the real time that makes us old and that makes things happen, i believe it cannot b said 2 hav a starting point. even though i agree w/ the god creating and all but even b4 god created us, wouldnt there b time w/ god? so would time itself go way beyond the creation of humans or the universe?


hmmm... person who believe in God will say that God is not bound by space and time.


yea i agree that the god is not BOUND by space r time. but wouldnt it b just w/ him. isnt time and space in his control. god created everything in 7 days but he did not say he created time. so isnt there a possibility that time existed ALONG w/ him?
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