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The dying anime market
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The price isn't too bad, I import anime from the USA to UK, and the price is much better then what we have to pay here. But I understand that some people cant afford to buy them, maybe if they increased the amount of episodes and threw in some freebies, it would be better value for money.
Posted 3/20/08
if they had it accessible to us like anime on itunes or something i'd totally pay for it
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In england you can get four episodes at about £8, at the cheapest. Most of the time their about £16. Boxsets (full series) go from about £70/£80. Its a lot of pocket money. And I can't afford it most of the time. Sometimes theres some good anime films/series at second hand shops and thats where i tend to buy them.

Most anime dubs are awful (please note that i said most). Luckly most of the anime being sold at HMV are dual dubs, and the ones at the second hand shops are aswell.
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I purchase boxsets through american small buisness websites that don't charge as high shipping fees, I'd have no problem buying from larger companies if it wasn't $30 for 2-4 episodes when i can wait and if I really like the series get the whole thing for $30 from one of those websites I've found. They went out of buisness cause they are ripping off the american public. I would gladdly support them if the charges weren't so high.
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Xiphon wrote:

The price isn't too bad, I import anime from the USA to UK, and the price is much better then what we have to pay here. But I understand that some people cant afford to buy them, maybe if they increased the amount of episodes and threw in some freebies, it would be better value for money.


I don't know about the price from US to UK but for me in SEA per box is us$30 so if i were to get a complete anime it'll prolly add up to more than 100.
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I normally get a volume for about $21.98 (about £11). I think this is an ok price to pay, and the DVD's do have better quality visuals and sound, and you have a permanent copy, not just a file sitting on your hard drive or websites that could be shut down.
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I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying. Fansubbing/torrents/IRC is all the same when you talk about illegal downloads, since if we're talking about licensed shows then I assume we're talking about shows that have been subbed in one way or another. Raw torrents might hurt when people in Japan download instead of watching the series on TV, but that's entirely tangential because when you buy legit in the UK or US, it's definitely subbed. Anyway, back to the topic on hand-

What I'm saying is that the trend can't possibly dip down below where it was before anime became extremely popular in English-speaking countries and companies started licensing shows, unless there is a deeper problem. Let's revisit the time before VIZ & co. When very few series were being licensed, the Japanese anime industry was still doing fine. Now, add in the licensing companies. They only add to a producer's profits - it's a supplement to what they make when their shows are released in Japan. If one day we wake up and no shows are licensed, then the producers are back to making the same amount of money they were before their show was licensed.

If, indeed, the value of the anime industry is falling (that doesn't even make sense, btw - I don't think I've ever heard of any industry having a set value, though I think I know what you're getting at), then there are other problems that I believe make more sense that doesn't merely stem from illegal filesharing. The one that comes to mind immediately is that the economy sucks. People don't have as much money, therefore are consuming less (especially in Japan, which has a very high savings rate). They cut back on spending, which of course includes things like anime and manga.

There's another inherent problem with licensed products - they're clearly not priced properly. I can buy a legit volume of manga in China for 1USD, but it costs me 10USD to buy the exact same volume in America. The licensing companies are clearly doing something absurd in their pricing. I'm not going to pay 10USD per volume for a 20-30 volume series, especially when it's entirely black and white; 3.50USD or so is definitely my max.

Finally, a large portion of a producer's profit comes from a television station picking up a show and putting it on air. The commercials bring in the money, relative to the ratings. Now if Cartoon Network were to show subbed series instead of dubbed, I'd watch those and support them that way.
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Na, just a combo of the US dollar going to shit and main-stream sellers such as best buy charging so damn much extra from the retail. I'd rather order my anime, but i think someone needs to make, per say, an "itunes" for anime, so anime can be downloaded instead of having to go through paying extra for those "free extras", which you really are paying for in the over all price, and from paying for the hard items (discs, the box, the cases ect), and places like best buy that sell anime but charge ridiculous amounts for it because they have no sense of pricing whatsoever.
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I live in Cork, Ireland and there is only 1 place in the city that sells anime and such. To be honest its poor aswell without much choice or new stuff. So am I gonna order an anime and wait a week or two and then have to pay for the anime as well as shipping when i can just watch it on the internet?? Of course not. I would be willing to pay a small fee to watch online but im not going to put myself out when theres an easier solution already available.
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i would be happy if i could buy a whole series online and just dowload the things because as soon as i get them back i have to break the copyrighting on the disks to watch them on my portable video player. that and the prices could be lowered due to no packing and no shipping cost to them.
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why dont they just do donation things O_o alot of anime people lol
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armpittroll wrote:


DeathCat13 wrote:

Oh. Where I come from, we've got dual audios. But the video quality sucks and half the translations just aren't quite there. Which leaves us with 2 options: 1)Download/stream. 2)Get it shipped. Question is how many of us can afford it.



We have dual audio as well , and i have never noticed lower quality for them . The problem is have is that most of the anime's i find are dubs only . At walmart i'd say i find around 80% dubs . When i go to a best buy i can find a decent amount of anime with dual audio , but most of them are mainstream anime , and they are ridiculously priced . So i go online and look , and just like the other guy i find what i want , but then there is the $25-$30 shipping fees . That is a pretty low estimate i'm giving as well . I remember when i was looking to purchase zeta gundam they wanted $100 shipping for the box set . It would cost them maybe $20-30 at most to send that to me , yet they want a $100 . I might add that all 3 places i found with the box-set all were charing in the $100 range .


I have to say that those numbers are have to be false.
http://www.animovies.com/dvd-animation/domestic-anime-dvd/gundam-mobile-suit-zeta-dvd-14074.html

It took me 10 seconds to find that.

Best Buy doesn't only have mainstream anime. It only has recently released anime though. There are few anime that you can truly call mainstream and Best Buy has a far greater selection than that. Not to mention Best Buy usually has the best prices. Most of the time, they are even cheaper than online sources.

It's also a fact that over 90% of all licensed anime become available with dual audio once released on DVD. In my personal experience, I have only encountered 3-4 anime that don't have the original voices available and the translations are usually better in the licensed product unless they use "dubtitles" which is extremely rare.


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If they ever come up with a way to legally download for a small fee I'd gladly do it, however at the moment 30$ for 4 episodes or so just isn't worth it.


They've been doing that for a long time now. ADV has made it available to download episodes at 1.99 an episode. The Xbox Live market sells anime at the same price. ITunes had the entire series of Samurai 7 for $30 and 9 episodes of Afro Samurai for $9.

Also, Best Buy and Fry's charge only around $20-$25. I haven't seen one single DVD with 4 episodes cost $30 unless at FYE, Suncoast, or a specialty store.


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Here's my question. The anime industry was doing fine before America ever licensed its first anime. If anything, licensing is only a supplement to the Japanese anime industry. Is fansubbing the only factor the article you allude to points out for why the anime industry is falling? Because I would say the declining economy is a bigger reason for it - buying anime/manga is a luxury, not a necessity. In today's global economy, I would say that it's a very logical cutback to make when trying to save money.


Sorry if I come out to sound mean, but this is complete ludicrous from the second sentence. The anime industry was in a massive decline and introduced more anime to America in order to bail them out. The anime industry almost died out until they introduced anime to more American consumers. The fact is, as odd as it may seem, that the Japanese market could not support the anime industry alone.

The problem is that the average "fan" wants a lot of anime and they want it now. They cannot be patient and therefore they do not wait 'til they save up for the product, or even wait 'til it's licensed. As Shizukahikari said, "buy anime/anime is a luxury, not a necessity." So why then is there a need to pirate anime? Producing anime is a service and creators deserve at least some sort of compensation for their work.

Think about this the next time you torrent. "If you get an artist's work for free and then show it to a friend while also showing him how to get it for free (not to mention introducing him to a massive community of people dedicated to getting that artist's work for free, sharing files and offering his new work the second it's available at no charge without his blessing), you are not creating a fan or helping the artist, you're adding another leech into the system."

I admit that I use fansubs and the cold hard fact is that not everything will be licensed. I am impatient and cannot wait 'til the product is licensed. However, I do wait 'til the product is available. Currently, there is only three instances where I have watched an anime and haven't purchased it upon its release and that is Naruto, Bleach, and Shakugan no Shana. Reason why I didn't was
A. I don't trust Viz (who holds the license to Naruto and Bleach) and
B. Geneon went down making it extremely hard to find volumes 1-6 of Shakugan no Shana without going online.

I'm not saying fansubs are evil. In a very broad sense, it's like a gun. The gun itself is not a bad thing, but people who abuse it are. Fansubs can allow people to view anime that may never come out in America, but if it does, honor the artist work and try to buy their product.

Edit: To those that still think that prices for anime are high.
www.discountanimedvd.com has a sale on Funimation and Viz products. All items are 40% of the MSRP. That means $9 for a volume of Gunslinger Girl, $30 for the entire series of Galaxy Railways, $41 for the entire series of Black cat. $15 dollars for a volume of Death Note, Naruto, or Bleach.

I also bought Cowboy Bebop Remix for $23 which is less than $1 an episode.

There really is no justifying piracy if the product is right in front of you at a reasonable price.

FYI: The shipping was free.
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MazrimTaim wrote:

If they ever come up with a way to legally download for a small fee I'd gladly do it, however at the moment 30$ for 4 episodes or so just isn't worth it.


agreed


i wasted over $1000 buying anime DVD's.

they have enough of my money
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no thanx.... anime and manga cost so much money an' ya think a 13 year old can afford all the anime that I watch???
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Crunchyroll has been my main source of watching anime, and now that a few of my favorites have been licensed, I start to think that its for the greater good. I mean, DVD volumes are not all released at once, and for about $20 a volume every now and again, I think its worth it.
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