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Posted 3/20/08 , edited 4/18/08
Magnus, I know I'm not one of those nice people you're talking about. Though I do care whether people get saved or not I'm not a particularly patient person and I dont give people enough credit. I hope that you can forgive me for past arguments that I made and things I said. I'm not telling you this or asking you this because I think I deserve it, I know I dont, I'm not a rare kind of anything and I am sorry for the way I acted or... well wrote. passion or not it doesn't excuse my behavior and I truely am sorry. I hope you find a lot of people not like me, who are able to show that they truly care.
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Posted 3/21/08 , edited 4/18/08
RivrStyx, please understand that NONE of us are graceful apart from the Lord. Don't assume that because YOU are not patient, graceful or whatever it doesn't mean you are not the 'good kind' of Christian. I'm not saying you are, or are not. I'm saying, don't focus on your works. The flesh desires evil and seeks to satisfy temptations. That's why we need Jesus. Focussing on YOUR works is negating the grace of God. You believe in Jesus, but don't believe that being in his presence will change you? Whatever that you feel is not of God's desires is not permanent, they can be changed, by seeking the Lord more, giving the spirit more dominance.

Why do you put yourself down so? Don't you know that your tongue is a double edged sword? By confessing that you think you aren't great, you're insulting the Lord's judgement in choosing you to be His child. Self-condemnation is one thing that Satan is very good at. Your righteousness does not and will never come from you. Instead, draw from the Lord, take on his robe of righteousness and your identity as a child of God will keep you cleansed by the blood of Jesus, whether you sin or not. In fact, claim the grace of Jesus that falls on you everyday, and his grace will manifest in you, through you and for you!

In the same sense, Magnus, while you may find lots of 'kind' christians, the bible does warn about some hypocrites who make no show to hide their kind acts, but no act of real faith is seen by the Lord. While I cannot make a statement to say whether your friend in particular is one who truly loves the Lord, please recognise that if you do find such a Christian who is genuinely caring, does not preach apart from the Bible contents (not just talking about Jesus as a saviour), is not afraid to give reprove to teachings that are not from Jesus, and boasts more of the Lord's love for Him rather than his own love for the Lord, then chances are his character traits also come from the Lord.

Therefore while you may try to apologise to the 'rare' kind of 'kind' christians, in fact, you owe that apology not to us but Jesus. Those who are truly born again recognise their saviour who blesses and keeps their paths. Thanking Jesus would give me more pleasure than claiming a title just for personal happiness.

The reason why the kids of Christ want people saved, is because of a loving heart that comes from God. It doesn't matter how many are saved, it matters if one is really needing the Lord is saved. Jesus would leave 99 sheeps to go for the 1 who has strayed. The thing that Christians do today is to reflect the Love that god has so abundantly given to us, and not keep it to ourselves.

When someone finds 10,000 on the floor, they keep it. But God's ideas are for you to bless others with it, and if you pass 1000 to God, which is 10%, he'll bless that 10% and multiply it back to you. That's why people who aren't really blessed is because they have no heart to receive the full blown blessings. Say if God gives someone 1 mil, the person doesn't have the heart for it and leaves his wife, spends it on material goods and forgets the Lord's teachings, then this blessing would have in fact caused destruction to that guy.

While I don't care to try to convert people, I don't mind sharing the gospel. The beautiful one is Jesus and not me, I'm just doing what the Lord tells me to. You don't have to be convinced by us. It's not our job, and God does not need sales persons. He calls personally.
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Posted 3/21/08 , edited 4/18/08

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RivrStyx, please understand that NONE of us are graceful apart from the Lord. Don't assume that because YOU are not patient, graceful or whatever it doesn't mean you are not the 'good kind' of Christian. I'm not saying you are, or are not. I'm saying, don't focus on your works. The flesh desires evil and seeks to satisfy temptations. That's why we need Jesus. Focussing on YOUR works is negating the grace of God. You believe in Jesus, but don't believe that being in his presence will change you? Whatever that you feel is not of God's desires is not permanent, they can be changed, by seeking the Lord more, giving the spirit more dominance.

Why do you put yourself down so? Don't you know that your tongue is a double edged sword? By confessing that you think you aren't great, you're insulting the Lord's judgement in choosing you to be His child. Self-condemnation is one thing that Satan is very good at. Your righteousness does not and will never come from you. Instead, draw from the Lord, take on his robe of righteousness and your identity as a child of God will keep you cleansed by the blood of Jesus, whether you sin or not. In fact, claim the grace of Jesus that falls on you everyday, and his grace will manifest in you, through you and for you!


By confessing my faults I'm not insulting the Lord's judgement, I'm realizing in my own eyes the areas in which I need to change so that that change can take place. I've been a Christian for a long time... I was born into the religion so I have had plenty of time to think about the grace of God. Plus I'm going to a Christian Bible College so a lot of this stuff comes up and makes me think. By confessing this I'm not only opening my own eyes to the areas in which I need to change but to show that I am not ignorant of these areas either. I know plenty of people who are ignorant and I dont want to be like them. I wronged Magnus in previous posts and I want to make it up to him by apologizing. None of us are graceful like the Lord but we can still try since we are s'possed to be godly people. I rely on the Lord every day, everything I do I do for Him, but, as a human emotion, not of the devil, I do get discouraged. Satan is around, yes, but i think you give him too much credit for human inadequacy. God made people unique but he also made them with emotions and thoughts. Satan cannot manipulate those thoughts unless someone lets him. I was not letting my thoughts be manipulated... I was merely showing what areas of my life I am still working on fixing.
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Posted 3/21/08 , edited 4/18/08
Haha, both of you replied in such a defensive manner. But my post had been carefully crafted, whether you like to hear it or not, or agree or not. First of all, I see posts that go on non-stop one after the other talking about whether the christian church is right or not, then I see other posts going on and off one after the other debating about something else, and etc.

But I rather return to Jesus. I rather listen to his teachings than debate among brothers and sisters what is the best way. My pastor gives a great example. Isn't it amazing that when someone who knows nothing goes to someone who knows everything, does all the talking? And yet without drinking from the lord, they run off to do all the talking to other people.

Don't get offended by my post. I had to tell myself these things before too. And most of the time we think we know the answers to everything. What I'm just saying is that going back to Him constantly to draw from him maybe the fastest way to your answer yet. Maybe this and the previous post sounds very offensive to you now, but look at it another way, another day, another time. It's not meant to make you feel you've not done something right that should be done. I'm merely trying to tell you what the Lord tells me too.

Magnus, my post wasn't directed to an atheist. It's directed to a human. I don't care about agreeing part, but just stating what is. If you read carefully, that post was also meant for other believers too. If the desire to save someone comes from THEIR own want because they THINK they've found the best religion to salvation, then they're mighty deluded too. Sure, they may draw from their own source of compassion, but I'm saying it's limited. Character change from the Lord is evident, whether or not you agree. But if you're apologising to those people, whose characters have nothing to do with whatever god they're worshipping, then you should go find some believers who really believe in Buddha, or the Muslim God. I admire their loyalty as well.

Won't be replying after this. I want to get my manna from Jesus. Gotta do projects too.
Posted 3/23/08 , edited 4/18/08
The ironic thing is that Magnus posted a sardonic "Prove God" thread right after he posted this.
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Posted 3/23/08 , edited 4/18/08
Well Magnus, I would like to add into this. As some one who has been around 55 years (going on 56). I have seen many things that were wrong (not just sinfull but, just wrong), done too many sinfull things, lost my temper over too many things, seen ship mates die, have almost died more than once, have broken all the ten commandments, dispointed many and had love ones die unsaved. For all of these fauls, sins, resonns and the want to save any one else from having to endure any of them. I am driven to tell all about the Love and saving power of Jesus, because of Jesus. Magnus, my dad died with out Jesus and I know he is in HELL. A place that was made for the devil and his demons. In the Bible, what hell is like is laid out in horrfiying detail. I would not want my worse aname to go there. But, yet I have a Love one there and I can not do a (&^%^&^&%) thing about it. It hurts to think about it. Magnus I DO NOT WANT YOU TO GO THERE. I am poor at talking face to Face about my fath but, I pray that I can reach souls by the internet. I also pray that by the internet that I (not I, but Jesus) could reach one person and keep him out of HELL..
Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08
Magnus, you made that thread as a putdown to religious people. I saw you in that thread arguing almost every post. You made it just so that you could make a bunch of people feel bad. If you were really sorry for anything, you'd apologize to almost everyone for your sarcastic retorts. Besides which, you did not even mention the name of the person you're apologizing to. I trully doubt you're sorry for anything as you continue to try to shatter people's faith.
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Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08
skygod let it go. I am for one willing to believ him. The love of Jesus has forgiven me of many sins. So I must forgive others and maybe believ in them. For the sake keeping one person out of hell. I am willing to be made the fool.
Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Magnus, you made that thread as a putdown to religious people. I saw you in that thread arguing almost every post. You made it just so that you could make a bunch of people feel bad. If you were really sorry for anything, you'd apologize to almost everyone for your sarcastic retorts. Besides which, you did not even mention the name of the person you're apologizing to. I trully doubt you're sorry for anything as you continue to try to shatter people's faith.


And you put that post purely as a personal attack against magnus. Not very Christian in my opinion
Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08

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skygod333 wrote:

Magnus, you made that thread as a putdown to religious people. I saw you in that thread arguing almost every post. You made it just so that you could make a bunch of people feel bad. If you were really sorry for anything, you'd apologize to almost everyone for your sarcastic retorts. Besides which, you did not even mention the name of the person you're apologizing to. I trully doubt you're sorry for anything as you continue to try to shatter people's faith.


What kind of fool gives out real names of people they know on the internet to stangers? They did not have to come to my thread. If they wanted to they could have stayed away from it with ease. By coming in and trying to argue the point they accepted my challenge. Since this is the case I did nothing wrong by arguing.


I thought you meant someone here. My mistake. Magnus, the fact that you challenged them showed that aren't sorry to anyone. If you were sorry to this one person for showing genuine kindness and caring to you, you'd not try to put down similar people.

Stickmania, I'm calling out hypocrisy, or at least a hypocrisy that I see. Besides which, Jesus called out hypocrites. I recall something telling me to follow the example. I wonder what it could be.....
Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08

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skygod333 wrote:


magnus102 wrote:


skygod333 wrote:

Magnus, you made that thread as a putdown to religious people. I saw you in that thread arguing almost every post. You made it just so that you could make a bunch of people feel bad. If you were really sorry for anything, you'd apologize to almost everyone for your sarcastic retorts. Besides which, you did not even mention the name of the person you're apologizing to. I trully doubt you're sorry for anything as you continue to try to shatter people's faith.


What kind of fool gives out real names of people they know on the internet to stangers? They did not have to come to my thread. If they wanted to they could have stayed away from it with ease. By coming in and trying to argue the point they accepted my challenge. Since this is the case I did nothing wrong by arguing.


I thought you meant someone here. My mistake. Magnus, the fact that you challenged them showed that aren't sorry to anyone. If you were sorry to this one person for showing genuine kindness and caring to you, you'd not try to put down similar people.

Stickmania, I'm calling out hypocrisy, or at least a hypocrisy that I see. Besides which, Jesus called out hypocrites. I recall something telling me to follow the example. I wonder what it could be.....

Skygod many peopel like to dissucss their beliefs. By accepting my challenge they alter the cirucmstances. My friend came to me in an attempt to save my soul. They came in response to a challenge. See why they are different? By coming there and knowing what they were getting into they have nothing to complain about.





Why do you see the need to challenge them? Do you not feel secure in your beliefs about a lack of God? All that thread was made for was so that you could try to debase people and make the atheists. You don't know if they wanted to save your soul. You turned them away before they came. You don't know what kind of intent they had but you made an offensive move against them for reasons unbeknowest unto me. Why challenge them? Why not discuss beliefs instead of completely putting them down before they can stand up for their beliefs? There was absolutely no need for that thread and you did it out of spite.
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Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08
[blue]magnus, skygod. In the words of my gen. COOL IT. Skygod as I said before "I am for one willing to believ him. The love of Jesus has forgiven me of many sins. So I must forgive others and maybe believ in them. For the sake keeping one person, one soul, out of hell. I am willing to be made the fool." You dont figte hate with hate. Love is the answer and not any Love but, JESUS's Love. Did any of you see the Passion of the Chri. by Mel Gip. Thou same parts put in it is out of tration. But following the movie from perspecved of following the Ver's in the Bible. You get the Idea what JESUS went thru for us. I can take being made a fool if that what it takes to keep one soul out of HELL.
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Posted 3/24/08 , edited 4/18/08
lol magnus I'm truly surpised to see that you posted this ... this may sound really weird but as Christians (or at least me XD) we really care about other people and truly truly truly want them to have at least a chance to make to heaven!...

and you know what..i really think that topics that non-christians bring up can be useful in any Christians life...no one should ever accept any religion and follow it blindly without even bothering to answer the "sticky questions"...either way i hope that you were blessed in some way by finding this group...God Bless!
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Posted 3/25/08 , edited 4/18/08
^ You're not really reading the rest of the arguments are you? Haha.
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