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Who here think the Final Fantasy series was messed up?
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lol well i didn't like final fantasy 10 either... what happened to the tough guys as main characters? i mean u used to play with cloud or squall 'slash first ask questions later' zidane i could understand a bit becuz of the scenery in ff9 but tidus wuzzzz sooo lame, vaan isn't any better on that point.... i didn't like ff12 either kinda becuz of that new fighting system and with the gambits u never need to do anything... u just walk to a group of enemies and u can leave...


Cloud and Squall is tough? I'm sorry what hole did you sleep in?
Cloud was a broody lil emo and Squall was just annoying, such cold 2 dimensional characters are not really interesting at all.

Atleast Final Fantasy 10 had some realistic reaction, If you were trapped in an alternate world away from the city your grew up and was famous in, you would act like Tidus too. Who wouldn't want to go home? And he has relations with his father, unlike Cloud and Squall who had almost no family that was relevant to the story.

Also summons in FF10 weren't gods, they were manifestations of fayths and were only guardian spirits. They lend their powers to chosen individuals. I thought battling as Summons was much fun and some were Extremely unpredictable and risky to use like the Magus sisters and Yojimbo. If anything FF7 and FF8, and everything AFTER FF10 were let downs.

FF6, FFT, and FF9 were the best hands down.
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Yes but like for me FFX messedthe series for me from he start. Don't u hate that they are prolly like friken 100s of shive, ifrit, bahumut and etc in that game. They're should only be one type of summon in the game .. not like 50 summons of the same kind.

Ok from what I could understand of that post. There is only one of every summon in that game, one Shiva, one Ifrit, one Bahumut. They each have their own individual class and elements. Second off there is only 8 or 9 summons total in FFX. FFVII was the one that had closer to 30.


No u don't get it they are alot of summoners in hat game. Any summoner have the same summon as u making the game have more than 1 shiva and any other type of summon


Were you like braindead when playing the game? Not anyone can be a summoner, you have to train as a cleric at a young age and go through rigorous ass training. You need will power, mental strength and the nerve to even sacrifice your life for your goal, the fayths realize this and grant them their power. And unless you havent noticed, They all Pray to the SAME Fayth thats why they're the same.
Yuna barely made it too, thats how rigorous it is.

FFVII's summons had NO Relevence to the story AT ALL. They were just there to look flashy and do damage.
If anything FF9 was the best at portrayals of summons because they all had relevance in the story as weapons of destruction that live within the summoners from the summoner village. Also not all FF9 summons were easy to get. Odin you have to rely on luck to get it at the auction house, and Ozma is one tough opponent.

FF9 and FFX did a good job in its putting the Fantasy in the series. Seriously.
FFVII and VIII just didnt have the same old classical feel that 9 And X had as homeage to the classics.
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i stopped at 9... but i would like to play the ones after it if i had time. can't say anything since i haven't tested it out yet.
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From a gamer's point of view, OP's opinion is seriously messed up and lulz worthy. I, like many others, started at FF7 and I stopped FF12 after a few hours because of school work. Since this thread has narrowed everything about the FF series down to the summons of the game, I'll adhere to that with my own knowledge (and kinda rusty memory).

FF7 summons were just some glorified magic spells. As someone else said, it was just casting a spell, watching a FMV (maybe good graphics at the time, though some of them were corny if I remember correctly) and then seeing some massive damage done. They had close to no relation to the story at all, which is strange since they're huge-ass god-like beings that you summon from using a red coloured materia...which again emphasizes on the lack of story in relation to the summons. In other words, they were nothing special at all, they shouldn't even be a factor in judging how good the game was. NONE AT ALL. Acquiring the summons was no different to finding rare and special items.


Here I must add FF7 Crisis Core. Sticking by it's predecessor, summons in Crisis Core had no relation to the context, though it was used a bit in the plot. It's awesome that some of the summons you have to kill in order to acquire them, where then they just become another random move that can be done in the DMW. However, CC is such an awesome game that it doesn't make a difference, in fact it's already impressive that they have so many other features, this is yet another bonus. The graphics are fucking orgasmic, taking the same (I think) graphics from FF7 and making them so fucking good is *multiple orgasms here*.

FF8 was a step up. They had a little (just a TINY LITTLE) more of an impact on the story in JUST the fact that they were "Guardian Forces" and ...yeah...but the way they added a little thing for you to do during the FMV (Boost) to make you feel like you had a LITTLE control over the whole thing was a bonus, even if it was a small one. The GF skill thing was also a bonus, so at this stage they were making an entrance to the actual game, improved from just being a spell. Graphics, I don't remember at all, nor do I remember how they were acquired.

FF9 was certainly awesome in terms of summons in relation to the plot. The concept was not only compatible to the context, they also played a part in the whole plot (quite a big plot if I remember), and the fact that they were, again, just spells, it was a step towards creating character individuality, with having only Garnet/Dagger and Eiko able to summon, and even then with different summons. The graphics, I vaguely remember, were quite good, but still nothing to orgasm about. Acquiring them in this wasn't anything special, so in terms of gameplay, the summons weren't much of a big deal. The step that Square took in involving summons into the plot was a brilliant idea and a great feat already. The summons didn't really dominate the gameplay either. In FF7 you didn't walk into a big battle without Knights of the Round + W-Summon, and FF8 they were there for the big damage. In FF9 however, they weren't so overpowered, in fact I think I barely used them in the big battles.

FF10, I must say, has to be the best in regards to summons. Everything about them was explained, so they weren't just random huge monsters that you summoned to come and fight for you, like they were in previous FFs. They were completely revolutionized in terms of gameplay, now that they weren't just spells that you cast to do damage (as they ultimately were in previous FFs), they added a whole other level to the gameplay. Again, if I remember correctly, they weren't overpowered even though they had all these features, and the strategy part of the game wasn't compromised at all. The graphics were definitely awesome. All the Aeons were unique in all aspects, each with their defining features in both graphics as well as ...everything. Their involvement in the plot also improved the context, as it did in FF9. (If the ability to summon huge monsters/beings that caused massive destruction existed, it would've had an impact on the world, unlike in FF7 and 8 where it didn't seem to make any difference)


Since I've lost what I was talking about, /endrant.
My favourite is FF9, with FF7 and CC coming in second, btw.
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i think it messed up a bit at FFX...
but it was still cool... XD
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I like it the way it is...the summoners in final fantasy X weren't forced to summon, they chose to do their job. Nothings wrong with it, HA, you just gotta train your charaters....lol

Chose to do their job? ...They were more like force to do their job. Anyway the whole idea was dumb .. In that game they had prollly like 50 shiva, 50 ifrit and etc. ... that just dumb. They should have kept it original. Anybody who was a summoner had the same summon as u .. and they were alot os summon er who knows they were prolly more than 100 of the same summon.




Ur point is???? If you don't like FF then why you have Tifa's pics huh??? That's what i thought!!!!!!!!!


LMAO just because i have tifa pic that does not mean u suppose to like EVERY Final Fantasy series. ...SO THERE U GO! ...anyway learn how to read .. I did post which final fantasy I do hate and whic i like.


You don't know what FF is so zip it up....
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Well to tell u the truth I believe the Final Fantasy series was messed up in the end. Like from Final Fantasy 10 and up for me it messed up the Final Fantasy series for many reason. Like in Final Fantasy 10 .. I didn't like the fact the Summons were being controlled by human like all the way. I believe summons shouldn't be commanded on what they are told to do. Like in Final Fantasy 7 summons were being controlled but it wasn't control control like in FF10 ... summons suppose to be like god they shouldn't be told what to do and shouldn't risk their life to protect u like in FF10. Also I didn't like the way they made some summon look .. like Bahamut he was to cocky, Ifrit they made him look like a midget, shiva had dredlock .. I meanm come on they could have kept it original. BTW summons weren't hard to get ..if u just saw a temple then u just will know not to leave it till u get a summon ...wow ain't that obvious. FF1-9 are way better than 10 and up. Sorry my opinion...So who else is with me?


id like to say only few things to this..........do better if you think you have abilities far superior from about over 100 people who were making ff 10 and then we could see if it really is better.......we could see that only you would like that game.......i like the way it is now and i would not change a thing......but everyone has their own opinions^^

I have no problem with ur opinion :]

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popcornpuffs wrote:


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lol well i didn't like final fantasy 10 either... what happened to the tough guys as main characters? i mean u used to play with cloud or squall 'slash first ask questions later' zidane i could understand a bit becuz of the scenery in ff9 but tidus wuzzzz sooo lame, vaan isn't any better on that point.... i didn't like ff12 either kinda becuz of that new fighting system and with the gambits u never need to do anything... u just walk to a group of enemies and u can leave...

Haha xD So true .. Tidus was lame. He had to be the lamest out of all the FFs main character series. FF12 didn't like either. Basicall ff10 and up lol


Lol, Tidus.

You know in FFX when he starts randomly dancing? Well, my friend actually uses it to greet her other friend with. It's known as the Gay Dance. :P

And dude, what the hell was wrong with his clothes? I think he hired a blind tailor, or something. xD

Onto the subject...

I don't really like the battle system in XII, but X was quite good. XII just... confused me. First there was the whole gibberish of the 20 or so minute long intro cutscene which seemed to be an instant cure for my insomnia, and then... I just didn't get the battle system at all. Tried, couldn't (yes, it may look easy since you just choose stuff from a menu and move your character in the meantime, but the characters kept swapping all the time)...

Give me FF7 Crisis Core any day, lol.

Hehe :)

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popcornpuffs wrote:


anti-freeze wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:
Yes but like for me FFX messedthe series for me from he start. Don't u hate that they are prolly like friken 100s of shive, ifrit, bahumut and etc in that game. They're should only be one type of summon in the game .. not like 50 summons of the same kind.

Ok from what I could understand of that post. There is only one of every summon in that game, one Shiva, one Ifrit, one Bahumut. They each have their own individual class and elements. Second off there is only 8 or 9 summons total in FFX. FFVII was the one that had closer to 30.


No u don't get it they are alot of summoners in hat game. Any summoner have the same summon as u making the game have more than 1 shiva and any other type of summon


Were you like braindead when playing the game? Not anyone can be a summoner, you have to train as a cleric at a young age and go through rigorous ass training. You need will power, mental strength and the nerve to even sacrifice your life for your goal, the fayths realize this and grant them their power. And unless you havent noticed, They all Pray to the SAME Fayth thats why they're the same.
Yuna barely made it too, thats how rigorous it is.

FFVII's summons had NO Relevence to the story AT ALL. They were just there to look flashy and do damage.
If anything FF9 was the best at portrayals of summons because they all had relevance in the story as weapons of destruction that live within the summoners from the summoner village. Also not all FF9 summons were easy to get. Odin you have to rely on luck to get it at the auction house, and Ozma is one tough opponent.

FF9 and FFX did a good job in its putting the Fantasy in the series. Seriously.
FFVII and VIII just didnt have the same old classical feel that 9 And X had as homeage to the classics.

That when ur wrong. Final fantasy 7 and 8 was made before 9 and 10. Basically Final Fantasy 7 and 8 had the the original touch to it and i's clasic feel .. IDK about u .. but that's u

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popcornpuffs wrote:


slm07 wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:


slm07 wrote:

I like it the way it is...the summoners in final fantasy X weren't forced to summon, they chose to do their job. Nothings wrong with it, HA, you just gotta train your charaters....lol

Chose to do their job? ...They were more like force to do their job. Anyway the whole idea was dumb .. In that game they had prollly like 50 shiva, 50 ifrit and etc. ... that just dumb. They should have kept it original. Anybody who was a summoner had the same summon as u .. and they were alot os summon er who knows they were prolly more than 100 of the same summon.




Ur point is???? If you don't like FF then why you have Tifa's pics huh??? That's what i thought!!!!!!!!!


LMAO just because i have tifa pic that does not mean u suppose to like EVERY Final Fantasy series. ...SO THERE U GO! ...anyway learn how to read .. I did post which final fantasy I do hate and whic i like.


You don't know what FF is so zip it up....


Basically I don' like to argue with ppl who don't know how to read and can't defend their status. So um *cough* u zip it up ..
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narutofan999 wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:

Well to tell u the truth I believe the Final Fantasy series was messed up in the end. Like from Final Fantasy 10 and up for me it messed up the Final Fantasy series for many reason. Like in Final Fantasy 10 .. I didn't like the fact the Summons were being controlled by human like all the way. I believe summons shouldn't be commanded on what they are told to do. Like in Final Fantasy 7 summons were being controlled but it wasn't control control like in FF10 ... summons suppose to be like god they shouldn't be told what to do and shouldn't risk their life to protect u like in FF10. Also I didn't like the way they made some summon look .. like Bahamut he was to cocky, Ifrit they made him look like a midget, shiva had dredlock .. I meanm come on they could have kept it original. BTW summons weren't hard to get ..if u just saw a temple then u just will know not to leave it till u get a summon ...wow ain't that obvious. FF1-9 are way better than 10 and up. Sorry my opinion...So who else is with me?


id like to say only few things to this..........do better if you think you have abilities far superior from about over 100 people who were making ff 10 and then we could see if it really is better.......we could see that only you would like that game.......i like the way it is now and i would not change a thing......but everyone has their own opinions^^

I have no problem with ur opinion :]



well arent you being nice girl?^^
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popcornpuffs wrote:
Yes but like for me FFX messedthe series for me from he start. Don't u hate that they are prolly like friken 100s of shive, ifrit, bahumut and etc in that game. They're should only be one type of summon in the game .. not like 50 summons of the same kind.

Ok from what I could understand of that post. There is only one of every summon in that game, one Shiva, one Ifrit, one Bahumut. They each have their own individual class and elements. Second off there is only 8 or 9 summons total in FFX. FFVII was the one that had closer to 30.


Final Fantasy VIII had 16 I think. are you sure Final Fantasy VII had thirty. let's see.

1. the three Bahamut
2.Ifrit
3.kjata
4. shiva
5.titan
6.ramuh
7.Typhoon
8.Alexander
9.chocobo mug or something like that.
10.Knights of the Round.
11. Odin
12. Hades
13. Phoenix
14. Leviathan

that makes 17
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anti-freeze wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:
Yes but like for me FFX messedthe series for me from he start. Don't u hate that they are prolly like friken 100s of shive, ifrit, bahumut and etc in that game. They're should only be one type of summon in the game .. not like 50 summons of the same kind.

Ok from what I could understand of that post. There is only one of every summon in that game, one Shiva, one Ifrit, one Bahumut. They each have their own individual class and elements. Second off there is only 8 or 9 summons total in FFX. FFVII was the one that had closer to 30.


Final Fantasy VIII had 16 I think. are you sure Final Fantasy VII had thirty. let's see.

1. the three Bahamut
2.Ifrit
3.kjata
4. shiva
5.titan
6.ramuh
7.Typhoon
8.Alexander
9.chocobo mug or something like that.
10.Knights of the Round.
11. Odin
12. Hades
13. Phoenix
14. Leviathan

that makes 17


Hi yes, I beat final fantasy VII 8 years ago, forgive me if my memory of the details is a little fuzzy please.
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xkrazydog wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:


anti-freeze wrote:


popcornpuffs wrote:
Yes but like for me FFX messedthe series for me from he start. Don't u hate that they are prolly like friken 100s of shive, ifrit, bahumut and etc in that game. They're should only be one type of summon in the game .. not like 50 summons of the same kind.

Ok from what I could understand of that post. There is only one of every summon in that game, one Shiva, one Ifrit, one Bahumut. They each have their own individual class and elements. Second off there is only 8 or 9 summons total in FFX. FFVII was the one that had closer to 30.


No u don't get it they are alot of summoners in hat game. Any summoner have the same summon as u making the game have more than 1 shiva and any other type of summon


Were you like braindead when playing the game? Not anyone can be a summoner, you have to train as a cleric at a young age and go through rigorous ass training. You need will power, mental strength and the nerve to even sacrifice your life for your goal, the fayths realize this and grant them their power. And unless you havent noticed, They all Pray to the SAME Fayth thats why they're the same.
Yuna barely made it too, thats how rigorous it is.

FFVII's summons had NO Relevence to the story AT ALL. They were just there to look flashy and do damage.
If anything FF9 was the best at portrayals of summons because they all had relevance in the story as weapons of destruction that live within the summoners from the summoner village. Also not all FF9 summons were easy to get. Odin you have to rely on luck to get it at the auction house, and Ozma is one tough opponent.

FF9 and FFX did a good job in its putting the Fantasy in the series. Seriously.
FFVII and VIII just didnt have the same old classical feel that 9 And X had as homeage to the classics.

That when ur wrong. Final fantasy 7 and 8 was made before 9 and 10. Basically Final Fantasy 7 and 8 had the the original touch to it and i's clasic feel .. IDK about u .. but that's u



Umm no Classical feel as in the old school SNES Final Fantasy's FF1-6. VII totally went all over.
IX had all the original final fantasies elements in it with
-Dragoons
-summoners and the summoner village
-A second world Terra, similar to the moon (from FFIV)
-War between actual Kingdoms
-The Black Mages and the Black Mage village
-The Four Elemental lords
-Defined class for characters
-A thief as the main hero (reference to FFVI)

=/ i suggest you play all the Final Fantasies before you shoot your mouth about IX. IX was a masterpiece, beautifully crafted by the ORIGINAL father of Final Fantasy, his last work and tribute before Nomura took over.
They took the classical (FFI-FFVI) final fantasy elements and made a whole new awesome feel to it with a beautiful storyline and characters that ACTUALLY improve and change and LEARN. unlike in VII where the only character who actually changes is Frikkin Cloud.
Also IX had 3 MAIN characters with central stories, not just one. No Tifa and Aeris DONT count.

X also had this with Set jobs but you can also EXPAND them, they also had referenced to classical mythologies and more fantasy ish theme then the post modern punk style that VII and VIII had.

Complain to me when you play all of them, ok?
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