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Posted 4/6/08 , edited 4/26/08
Well in a generalized word; "Yaiba" is "Blade"

"Ken" often means "Sword" but can also sometimes mean "Fist."

"Tou" or "Ken" are often used as suffix denoting a sword of some kind.

"Nihonto" means Japanese Sword but refers more directly to a sword registered and signed by a swordsmith of one of the traditional schools of smithing.

"Daito" means long sword. It's a generalized word.

"Shinken" means "Live Blade" or "True Blade" which refers to a sharpened sword.

"Odachi" means quite literally "Big Blade" and Kodachi means "Little Blade" and both are often used synonymously with Katana and Wakizashi, but Odachi and Kodachi itself can also refer to any long sword and short sword without the stricter measurement and style of wearing as the Katana and Wakizashi used. They are generalized terms as well.

"Tachi" means "Long Sword" but refers strictly to a sword that is fitted and worn in the fashion of jindachi zukuri. That it is worn blade-down, the saya has a mount on it that attaches to the belt. It was used primarily in the battlefield and was not very sharp as to bash people off horses.

"Katana" in itself refers to a sword defined by strict measurement between 3 and 2 shaku I believe. It also refers to a sword worn and fitted in buke zukuri, which classes it's koshirae(fittings) and is worn edge-up thrust through the obi or in some cases the himo.

There are other types of Japanese swords as well.

For example, a chisagatana is shorter than a odachi and shorter than a kodachi.

A Tsurugi is actually the Japanese word for a foreign broadsword. Straight and double-edged.

A Chokuto is the only indigenous Japanese straight sword which is single-edged and straight. It was a modified form of the Chinese Jian.

The Uchigatana was the ancestor to the Katana. It was worn as a Katana was, in jindachi zukuri and was slightly more curved with a slightly longer blade. In use, it was created in mind for a Iaijutsu/Battojutsu like attack called Battogiri "Draw-cut."

I cannot remember any more, but I know there are a few I missed.
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wow i will never remember all of that
im temted to copy and past it in one of my computer files
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Thanks for all the info ^^
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Thanks for all the info ^^


yea ice_blue_eyes know way more about this stuff then me.
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DnaFactor wrote:

Thanks for all the info ^^


yea ice_blue_eyes know way more about this stuff then me.


yes he does
he knows a hole lot more than i do
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Katanas are nice but they are a lot more effective when accompanied by a wakizashi as a Daisho, at least that is my opinion
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Posted 4/20/08 , edited 7/26/08

NaitoNoBaka wrote:

Katanas are nice but they are a lot more effective when accompanied by a wakizashi as a Daisho, at least that is my opinion



Katana, like any sword, are only effective when wielded by a trained practitioner.
Also, two swords aren't always better than one.
Aside from the famed Musashi Miyamoto, his students never had very good luck in duels. It takes more than proficiency and good weapons. Even one of his best students was dispatched by a member of the Yagyu Shinkage ryu in a 2 sword vs 1 sword duel.

Two Sword Styles were very rare, which is why the katana was used outside most often and the wakizashi was used inside. They were rarely used at the same time.
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You said in other forums that there's no such thing is a ninja-to or shinobigatana. Why did you say that?
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Because there isn't. Why else would I say it?
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Because many sources says that a shinobigatana really exist. Either used in assasinations or just for self defense. In Wikipedia it says that "Modern ninjato are often straight with a square tsuba (hand guard), but this is not historically accurate." and I agree to that. But the typical ninjatō carried by a ninja would most likely have been a wakizashi or cut-down katana fitted with a katana-length handle and placed in a katana-length saya (scabbard). This may have been used to deceive one's opponents into miscalculating how quickly it could be drawn, allowing one to use a battoujutsu strike faster than expected. It also disguises the weapon (that would easily identify them as a ninja) as a common sword. And according to the book by Masaaki Hatsumi, the ninja ken was straight, but only in contrast to the average sword of the period which were much more curved. The ninja ken still had a slight curve to the sword. Hatsumi says that they were often straight bars of low-quality steel with an edge ground on to them. According to other sources, some of the swords being forged during the Tokugawa era also had blades with less curvature than others. This was also the period during which the mythology of the ninja grew as they were employed by the Shogun as secret police.
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Because many sources says that a shinobigatana really exist. Either used in assasinations or just for self defense. In Wikipedia it says that "Modern ninjato are often straight with a square tsuba (hand guard), but this is not historically accurate." and I agree to that. But the typical ninjatō carried by a ninja would most likely have been a wakizashi or cut-down katana fitted with a katana-length handle and placed in a katana-length saya (scabbard). This may have been used to deceive one's opponents into miscalculating how quickly it could be drawn, allowing one to use a battoujutsu strike faster than expected. It also disguises the weapon (that would easily identify them as a ninja) as a common sword. And according to the book by Masaaki Hatsumi, the ninja ken was straight, but only in contrast to the average sword of the period which were much more curved. The ninja ken still had a slight curve to the sword. Hatsumi says that they were often straight bars of low-quality steel with an edge ground on to them. According to other sources, some of the swords being forged during the Tokugawa era also had blades with less curvature than others. This was also the period during which the mythology of the ninja grew as they were employed by the Shogun as secret police.


Wikipedia has no validity. I'd suggest finding a better source.

There is no historical evidence that Shinobigatana ever existed.

Ninja were not warriors, they were spies. I mentioned that before.

And why would someone fit a wakizashi in a katana saya? it wouldn't fit c
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jirvildavid wrote:

Because many sources says that a shinobigatana really exist. Either used in assasinations or just for self defense. In Wikipedia it says that "Modern ninjato are often straight with a square tsuba (hand guard), but this is not historically accurate." and I agree to that. But the typical ninjatō carried by a ninja would most likely have been a wakizashi or cut-down katana fitted with a katana-length handle and placed in a katana-length saya (scabbard). This may have been used to deceive one's opponents into miscalculating how quickly it could be drawn, allowing one to use a battoujutsu strike faster than expected. It also disguises the weapon (that would easily identify them as a ninja) as a common sword. And according to the book by Masaaki Hatsumi, the ninja ken was straight, but only in contrast to the average sword of the period which were much more curved. The ninja ken still had a slight curve to the sword. Hatsumi says that they were often straight bars of low-quality steel with an edge ground on to them. According to other sources, some of the swords being forged during the Tokugawa era also had blades with less curvature than others. This was also the period during which the mythology of the ninja grew as they were employed by the Shogun as secret police.


Wikipedia has no validity. I'd suggest finding a better source.

There is no historical evidence that Shinobigatana ever existed.

Ninja were not warriors, they were spies. I mentioned that before.

And why would someone fit a wakizashi in a katana saya? it wouldn't fit c


wikipedia has everything u need to know, its like the #1 sors for information
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desfines07 wrote:
wikipedia has everything u need to know, its like the #1 sors for information


Wrong. Wikipedia has no validity to it's name.

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