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Posted 9/7/08 , edited 9/7/08
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First I'll start by saying what a Katana is NOT.

A Katana is NOT a "Samurai Sword."
A Katana is NOT a Tachi.
A Katana is NOT a Toy.
A Katana is NOT made of stainless steel.
A Katana does NOT transform into a giant sword that is bigger than the wielder.
A Katana does NOT have magic powers.
A Katana is NOT the greatest sword on earth.
A Katana is NEVER straight. ["Ninja Swords" never existed historically.]
A Katana is hardly ever used to parry or block another sword.

What IS a katana?
A Katana IS a Shinken. [Though a Shinken is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a Daito. [Though a Daito is not always a Katana]
A Katana IS a durable cutting sword which in use is very effective at killing.
A Katana IS a Dangerous Weapon that should be taken seriously at all times and not played with.

Specifications:
First off, calling it a "Samurai Sword" is as silly and stupid as calling a Peacmaker Revolver a "Cowboy Gun" or an arming sword a "Knight Sword." Furthermore aside from being silly and incorrect, it was not used alone by the samurai until the Sword Prohibition Act and even then I am sure some were in secret possession.
Shinken just means "Live Blade" which is not always a Katana. First off, a Katana was worn edge up thrust through an Obi. A "Katana" had very strict measurement rules. If it wasn't constrained to those specific rules, it wasn't a katana. What about a tachi? A tachi is a sword similar to a Katana but with more of a curve and it is worn with fittings to armor edge down. A tachi certainly isn't a Katana, but people often mix them up. Or you can be very vague and list "Daito" which means "Long Sword"

Technically, "Katana" is the only real word for a "Katana." Informally, you can call it whatever you want, but you'd be incorrect. I for one am rarely informal.

So you can list Daito, Tachi, Shinken, and it would all point to a sharpened long sword, but a Katana is in a league of it's own.

Furthermore, one can NOT use a katana properly without formal instruction from a certified instructor. You can NOT learn swordsmanship from books or videos or movies or clips. Only a certified instructor can teach you swordsmanship. To wield a sword without instruction from a certified instructor proses a danger to not only yourself but to anyone and anything around you. Wielding a stainless steel blade is dangerous as well but for the fact that it is not proper metal for a sword, which is why they are called "Wallhangers" and not "Swords" and can break with little resistance as seen in this very real (and funny) clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8

Feel free to comment, have a friendly debate, and add you're own information.
Posted 9/14/08
Does dōtanuki exist?

Why don't swords like Ichigo's sword and Inuyasha's sword exist in the real world? I have seen some stuff close to it in length and maybe thickness (like the two handed claymore, I forget the name of it. It is like 5 to 7 feet in length I think), but nothing comes close to it in width.

Also, wikipedia is a very unreliable source. Any body can go in there and change anything. Heck I can go do that right now

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Does dōtanuki exist?

Why don't swords like Ichigo's sword and Inuyasha's sword exist in the real world? I have seen some stuff close to it in length and maybe thickness (like the two handed claymore, I forget the name of it. It is like 5 to 7 feet in length I think), but nothing comes close to it in width.

Also, wikipedia is a very unreliable source. Any body can go in there and change anything. Heck I can go do that right now




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Jirvildavid, you haven't yet replied to me response.

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Jirvildavid, you haven't yet replied to me response.



About what?
Is it about the wakizashi being fit in a koshirae of a katana?
Well, its because if it is fitted in a koshirae katana, it'll definitely look like an ordinary katana.
But since the blade is shorter, then it is quicker to draw and if it is quicker, then, you'll have the oppurtunity to attack first. In short, it is easier to use a shorter blade in battojutsu.
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Raze22 wrote:

Does dōtanuki exist?

Why don't swords like Ichigo's sword and Inuyasha's sword exist in the real world? I have seen some stuff close to it in length and maybe thickness (like the two handed claymore, I forget the name of it. It is like 5 to 7 feet in length I think), but nothing comes close to it in width.

Also, wikipedia is a very unreliable source. Any body can go in there and change anything. Heck I can go do that right now



Ichigo and Inuyasha's swords are not in the real world as they would be completely ineffective. This following post is from another thread somewhere here. It will explain that.


A blade is a useless tool when not in the hands of a skilled practitioner.
Therefore the strength of the blade is irrelevant aside from metallurgical necessities so that the blade will not break easier and it can cut effectively.
Aside from this, the blade is only as strong as the wielder's skill.

Most of these anime guys like Inuyasha, Cloud, and the like just swing ridiculous sized swords [which would not be effective even if they could be lifted so easily] like a baseball bat like some idiot who has never been taught how to even hold a sword properly.

The buster sword and the tetsusaiga would have no real potency in a fight.
Why? Because first and foremost there is no defining techniques they use. Swinging something around like that leaves them invariably open and would not be capable of being swung like they swung it regardless of the wielder's strength as physics and gravity come into play. It's unreality borders complete nonsense in that it defies all physics or logic and thus I can say correctly, both as a literary student and writer, and a martial artist with 18 years experience and stage combat choreography under my belt, that it is completely and utterly useless.

Yes I know it's anime. However a good anime, like any good piece of fantasy work, takes reference [example: a sword] from realism and therefore logically to utilize these references, realism must be implemented into the use of these references for it to be valid.


For example. Take the lightsaber. A perfect example of a fantasy weapon in the archetype of a sword.
In storytelling, everything must have some sort of reason for the way it exists or else such plot devices will fail.

The lightsaber's techniques were inspired by kendo, fencing, and escrima.
Kendo and fencing for the combative principles and many movements.
Escrima was used because the major distinctive aspect that sets a lightsaber apart is that it has no counter weight. It's just a hilt in which some sort of energy [which is weightless] and so escrima [which uses sticks only slightly longer than the hilt of a sword or lightsaber in this case] was used as to explain the connection and fill the gap between the use and it's problem. So if someone asks "How the hell does a lightsaber work? Wouldn't spinning around and crap like that just get them cut" then all bases are covered and there are logical explanations that can be answered.

So even in fantasy if someone were to ignore all of this, it would be complete nonsense.
Which is why truly great works of fantasy do not ignore this logic and surpass all the thoughtless ignorant crap floating around.


On another note; as for a sword being able to cut stone or metal like you see on an anime, this is another great flaw.
You see, if someone really wanted to have their anime taken seriously [which more of the intellectual "seinen" show this and the "shonen" or "Little Boy Anime" like DBZ, Inuyasha, and the like don't probably because they know kids probably won't care either way] they would implement a reason as to why something has the ability to do such fantastic things. In this case the answer would lie in the materials.

For a brief introduction to metallurgy; A sword is made of steel [A real sword that is. Not one of those crappy 440 stainless steel wallhangers that you can buy for less than 500 bucks] and steel is a compound of refined iron and carbon. Now the carbon does a certain thing. The more carbon in a sword the more flexible that sword becomes.

If there is too much carbon, it is too flexible. It is harder to break but it loses much strength and cutting/penetration power.
If there is not enough carbon, it is too rigid. It is much stronger yet any blade-on blade contact will result in it shattering very easily.

This is the reason that this entire topic is pretty pointless as a sword that is strong in one way is weak in another.
The katana is NEVER used in swashbuckling [repeated blade-on-blade contact like parrying and blocking and locks] as it would break easily. When there is blade on blade contact [which I have only encountered only two techniques for this in my experiences] the edge [as usually incorrectly portrayed in anime] is never in contact but rather the side of the blade. Edge-on-Edge would chip the blade indefinitely which is the last nail in the coffin for whoever made such a incredibly stupid mistake.

So cutting such hard materials like metal and rock is virtually impossible with any metallic sword no matter the material since if it had enough strength to actually cut such a thing it would indefinitely break. If it had enough durability to withstand such a strike without breaking, it would indefinitely hold no such cutting quality to actually penetrate the material.


Furthermore I might mention my objections with the gunblade.

It would be grossly ineffective for either function.
Why?

1. Gun: The weight of the sword will render the gun incredibly inaccurate.
2. Sword: The handle would render the versatility of techniques completely incompetent in which fighting with it as a sword would be pointless.

Hence why the pinfire sword [a real gun-blade] was a great failure. The pinfire was still more effective in design than the gunblade.
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Posted 7/27/08 , edited 8/5/08

jirvildavid wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:



Jirvildavid, you haven't yet replied to me response.



About what?
Is it about the wakizashi being fit in a koshirae of a katana?
Well, its because if it is fitted in a koshirae katana, it'll definitely look like an ordinary katana.
But since the blade is shorter, then it is quicker to draw and if it is quicker, then, you'll have the oppurtunity to attack first. In short, it is easier to use a shorter blade in battojutsu.


No. Look on the second page 3 and 4 posts up.

And that is nonsense. What does speed matter? What do you even know of battojutsu to base such a ridiculous assumption on?

Posted 10/4/08
Does anyone have a picture of a Tekkan and know the measurements of this Japanese iron sword?

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Raze22 wrote:

Does anyone have a picture of a Tekkan and know the measurements of this Japanese iron sword?



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You could wield a fryingpan into battle and still be victorious. The ability to win battles are up too yoo.
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You could wield a fryingpan into battle and still be victorious. The ability to win battles are up too yoo.


Quite true.
Especially those thick cast iron pans.

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yeah,just like mom used!
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Posted 11/15/08
i didnt noe there was so much behind a katana
all i noe is that kanda has one ( i think)

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jus-me wrote:

i didnt noe there was so much behind a katana
all i noe is that kanda has one ( i think)



i felt the same way, i thought katanas were just ment for killing or hurting
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