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What do you consider to be intelligence?
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Posted 9/22/07
Such a vague term but I love the topic!

I'll be brief about this, since I'll give a link about it anyways.

A couple of experts and members of the APA ( American psychology Association ) have defined it as the individuals abilities to understand complex ideas, engage in various forms of reasoning, adapt effectively to the environment, learn from experience, and overcome obstacles by careful thought.

One of the main questions that can help us define what intelligence means, is the following:

Is intelligence a single characteristic (unitary) or does it involve several different components (multi faceted )?


I suppose ( and hope) that psychologists see this as a false dichotomy and adopt a position in between the two extremes. Don't know much about this aspect to contribute.
I know that there are 3 main theories on what intelligence is; Gardner's theory, Steinberg's theory, and Cattell's theory.

Gardner's:
Argues that there are several kind of intelligence and we must understand each other to 'get the big picture' Besides the commonly known forms of intelligence such as verbal, mathematical, spatial, etc; he added concepts such as musical intelligence, bodily-kinetic intelligence ( shown by athletes) and personal intelligence ( ex, ability to get along well with others)

Steinberg's:
It is known as triarchic theory. It argues that there are 3 types of human intelligence which are:

- Componential or analytic:
Abilities to think critically, so if you are high on this dimension, standardized tests are easy for you compared to to others
- Experiential or creative:
Insight and ability to have new ideas. This is what inventors and many scientific geniuses show for example.
- Contextual or practical intelligence:
This is intelligence in a practical and adaptive sense. Useful in solving everyday problems. ( street smarts ).

Cattell's
He argues that there are 'two major clusters of mental ability' which are crystallized and fluid intelligence.

Fluid intelligence refers to our inherited ability to think and reason. Like the hardware of our brains. Note the word hardware, this means that fluid intelligence is what determines our limits when it comes to processing information.

Cryztallised intelligence refers to accumulated knowledge, which means all the information we accumulate through experience as well as the applications of skill and knowledge use to solve specific problems.

So I guess you could say that when people mature and reach adulthood, fluid intelligence decreases slowly as we age but crystallized intelligence stays leveled or could increase.

Talking about measuring intelligence bores me so I'll stop at this point.
Here is the link I mentioned at the beginning of the post
http://www.michna.com/intelligence.htm

Also, I'm watching this at the moment so migh as well share it.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/125
Posted 9/22/07
WTF i posted this thread 6 days ago
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^ yeah, we have to save the good topics!
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hehe!!
thanks mauz for them useful websites
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Interesting.....

Well, it's really hard to say what counts as intelligence.
It could be a bit of book smarts. Being able to obtain and keep all of this information, even if communication is short.
What about the people who are able to make good analysis?
Also, we can't forget the people with street smarts.
Then there is the wise. : O The people who know what's going on by experience and such.

I'll ponder upon this some more later.
Posted 9/22/07
Although of all of those you posted mauz im more likely inclined to agree with Steinberg's theory (which is the only of the 3 i have read on before your post) I feel that any level of intellectual incompetence can probably be overcome with a strenuous work ethic if they truly apply themselves.

Thats a lot of the reason i feel our country is nothing more than gutter trash when it comes to national scores and what have you. Americans are to complacent with what they are taught and rarely venture outside of basic schooling to further educate themselves while other countries less developed or not children are taught @ a very young age or just are infatuated with the idea of learning and absorbing information since some places do not even have schooling.

I also feel intelligence is greatly depended upon your resources. Not to say all who have them use them wisely or effectively but i think it natrualy explains itself the more information you have around you the more likely you will be able to be "more intelligent"
Even if it is just book knowledge or memorization.

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Honestly, Mauz's post was the only one that I found insightful. I breezed through all the other posts and found little intelligence in them...


Just kidding.


Ahem... anyway, Mauz said many of the significant points, so I might end up sounding like an idiot if I try to say anything more... but moving away from the psychological standpoint, philosophy and religion would understand intelligence as an intrinsic nature of humans ~ the capacity of the human being to think, analyze, reflect, and enact upon one's own experience is owed to the fact that the human being is a rational being, hence, he has intelligence.

It is this intelligence that makes us different from animals. Now you might counter me by saying "but dogs are intelligent as well, and so are dolphins. They can do tricks and obey commands." However, we need to distinguish that human intelligence is different from animal intelligence in the fact that intelligence (as understood by Aristotle) is a virtue that constitutes the human being, and is composed of what he called phronesis (praxis) and Sophia (theoretical).

The difference introduced with these two modalities in human intelligence means the transformation of information from the environment into knowledge (gnosis), and eventually (if ever it does happen), knowledge to wisdom.

Animals stop at the level of knowledge, owing to survival mechanisms through memory. However, the human capacity to reason, based on his intelligence as a rational being, allows him to understand the world far beyond the physical to realize the metaphysical ties that bind us together. This is why human beings are not simply intelligent beings, but moral beings as well.

So what's my point? Human intelligence is perhaps that one thing that ties us together with our intrinsic nature as humans, not only as beings that can think, but beings that can reason, discern, and become more and more human as this intelligence is nurtured.
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intelligence doesnt reflects in grades....take a iq text and you ll see
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intelligence doesnt reflects in grades....take a iq text and you ll see


IQ tests also do not really reflect intelligence either.

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^ ^ of course not. Grades are an indicator of knowledge in the said subject, not intelligence. The point of the grading system is to show you how you fair in a subject and how much you know or don't know, not how stupid you are.
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^ Watch this video, is a neat discussion:
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/125



silentwhistler wrote:

what is the big deal in knowing or defining something that is beyond one's measure?


Lot's of things that were beyond our measure are now understood pretty well.


will knowing how to define something really means that you can use such?


Defining it helps to understand it, understating it leads sometimes to giving us the ability to use it. ex: um....how about anatomy, genetics, etc?


for me, intelligence is simply the drive to live...


Please explain that again. Drive to live? your statements is too vague.


an intelligent person simply is a person who can live life beautifully no matter how disastrous it may be.


That would be more like 'wisdom'. Intelligence and wisdom are not necessarily the same.
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^ I forgot who said it, but understanding can be understood as how information from the world can be transformed from something that is obscure, to something that is informative. It begins with:


Data
Raw information that is the result of sensory input to the organism. It is then sorted into:

Information
Collated and organized, but not interpreted by the body to bring about something useful. It's further processed to form:

Knowledge
The information has gained meaning, and significant parts are taken into the organism, while insignificant information or information that does not interest or concern the organism is discarded. Knowledge can further transform into:

Morals/Values
Knowledge that only humans are capable of. Connections are seen between different pieces of knowledge and a broader concept and understanding is formed, and the organism begins to see not only himself, but the world he is a part of as well. The ultimate result becomes:

Wisdom
Values that become truths that are more or less understood by the organism as a universal truth.



It is human intelligence that allows this conversion of data. Many people, if they stick to intelligence as sophia (theoretical), usually end up at the level of Knowledge. People who stick to intelligence as phronesis (praxis) usually end up at the level of morals/values. It's only when you realize both modalities of intelligence that you reach the stage of wisdom.
Posted 9/22/07

animecrazy86 wrote:

A lot of people consider grades to be the defining factor of intelligence, I think it shows your interest in your subject or your ability to focus.IMO, I think real intelligence lies in creativity and having the ability to solve problems.....
What do you think?Please discuss....


Amen to you brother. Its not about grades.
Posted 9/22/07
edsamac, i have to say, you made some good points.
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"Wisdom
Values that become truths that are more or less understood by the organism as a universal truth."

Hmm....=/ I don't know about that, so if you don't have some sort of universal truth...then what?
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