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Posted 9/19/07
Well I don't need to tell you all this

But, yeah I'm a Bad American
I'd like to see someone try to take MY gun out of MY hand
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Amen to most of it, but some was a little extreme -_-

Really, no one even understands America.
They say we are ignorant, which is for the most part bullshit.
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mauz15 wrote:

sheighton your mini 'ad homimens' are unnecessary.


True, they might indeed be that way, but when I detect a dumb argument it becomes rather hard to resist...
Posted 9/19/07
owning a gun does make you a smart american. if anyone flames, they will be sent straight to Hell.
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Posted 9/19/07
i dont agree with everything on there :/
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It's not like English is the actual language of the American country. It was brought over and expanded.
Posted 9/19/07
I agree with some well most of it. The jesse Jackson part, the flag part and many other parts. You are not a bad american just an american who knows what's best for our country!!!!!!
Posted 9/19/07

Marilori wrote:

It's not like English is the actual language of the American country. It was brought over and expanded.


Actually, there was a national vote on on the language we now speak.
German almost beat English.

edit: Yes , than I am also a bad American . I just don`t agree with the god parts , but the rest , I` all for .

Thanks for posting this Duster, I have fallen in love with you all over again.

I`m coming over this weekend to destroy your anus as a reward.
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Posted 9/19/07

Gev wrote:


Marilori wrote:

It's not like English is the actual language of the American country. It was brought over and expanded.


Actually, there was a national vote on on the language we now speak.
German almost beat English.


Which if you ask me would have sounded cooler.
No problem there though, that's why I make an effort to learn other languages. I mean, I had to learn English.
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Posted 9/19/07

sheighton wrote:


totoygolem wrote:



ALIEN!


Huh? Alien as in UFO's or the illegal kind?

BTW George Carlin does have some good points in that [rant]...


the illegal one i guess
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love it.
Posted 9/19/07

Dusterbayala wrote:

I'm a bad american... can i get an AMEN?



YOU CAN'T GET A AMEN BUT YOU CAN GET A ALIEN! =)
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sheighton wrote:


azrael910 wrote:

I've participated in countless religious debates in this forum and didn't see the need to repeat myself yet again. If you really want to know why I believe what I believe, dig up one of those old threads.

Within the next 5-10 years, you're going to see the US economy crash. Within the next 25-50, the US will no longer be the premier world super power. Laugh all you want, but remember my time table.

My prediction is China is going to invade a neighboring country sometime after the olympics. They have a trillion dollars laying around. We won't be in a position to protest or take action since they can destroy our economy at will (and now we're more dependent on them then they are on us). Just watch, I'll bet this happens within the next few years. This will be the official beginning of the US's fall.

Our people are apathetic, our economy is a sky scraper made of paper mache, and our government is thoroughly and completely corrupt. Other countries have the resolve, the determination and the resources to get on top. It's only a matter of time before we get knocked down off our pedestal. Our lack of resolve, ignorance and greed have caused every bit of this. We are Rome in the final days and at this point it's impossible for us to go back.


Ignorance sure must be bliss, huh? No, I guess in your case it is just living in your own little fantasy world...

Case in point: Which is easier to destroy in a world of international trade? A largely producer economy or largely consumer economy? I would say that it is the former...China has only a few countries that it is capable of sending the majority of its goods to and turning a profit; the United States is chief among them. We, the United States, are the lifeline of China. When we stop buying certain products and it puts Chinese workers out of work. When our junk bonds hit rock bottom it hurts China tremendously (it just happened recently and don't try to say it didn't)...The United States consumes 1/5 of the entire world's products and resources yearly (more than twice China's consumption rate) and we can always find new providers for our "fix"...The United States has the world's third largest oil reserves (after Saudi Arabia and Russia), the world's largest coal reserves, the world's second largest natural gas reserves (again after Russia)...We produce [and use] more electrical energy than the next three leading countries! Our military is unquestionably the most powerful and most advanced military man has ever seen, and it likely will stay that way for a while...And you are saying that China is just going to topple America like it is a "paper machet skyscraper"? I call that ignorance...

Now I will grant you that China will definitely contest for the title of "#1" but it won't have an easy time over it. I will also grant you that China will likely make a territory/resource grab in the near future (likely into Siberia)...But you can not rule out the fact that Russia is and increasingly is becoming just as much of a player again...Likely you won't see any changes happening over night in the respect of one country suddenly eclipsing another in terms of power, rather it is more likely that we will end up seeing a three way stalemate between three super powers that will not like each other...Russia is already "teaching" its people that the United States and China are enemies #1 and #2. Russia is already making grabs at more resources (cite: Arctic Ocean oil). China is making some rather shady moves and definitely has stuff in the works. And it is only a matter before we, the United States, realize the threat that these countries pose and begin taking actions of our own...

You compare us to Rome on the brink of its downfall as an empire...I compare us to Rome when it was on the brink of war with Carthage; a young democratic republic taking on an enemy of comparable strength and facing a war of annihilation...The Cold War was just the beginning really...Now the fun beings... :sweatingbullets:


Yeah, I agree Russia is a player as well. I still think China is going to win out in the end. Too much money involved, and they're in it for the long haul. They're setting up an infrastructure to support it and their people have the drive to do it. The US is well aware of any intentions China has. The problem is our leadership is more concerned with filling their own pockets than acting on behalf of the people they represent. That's why I'm confident we'll roll over when push comes to shove.

Our economy has been running on empty for far too long, it's going to catch up with us soon and it's not going to be pretty. But as long as our "aristocracy" is secure, no extreme action is going to be taken to prevent. Hell, they're undoubtedly working on ways to profit from it. Natural resources don't do us any good if we're not willing to use them. How much are we paying for gas again? The people who are capable of helping only stand to gain by not helping, and I don't see how thats going to change anytime soon.

As far as the military being most powerful... in theory yes. The technology and resources are there. In practice, we're getting our asses kicked by third world nation terrorists. A powerful military doesn't do any good when we're not willing to use it properly. It's also a common misconception that we're always #1 in everything military related. Our jets are not always the best (that I know for certain), our people not always the most skilled, and we waste so much money it's absurd. That's why our technology takes so long to see the light of day... it's being milked for cash by contractors and won't be released until the absolute last minute, and usually incomplete (I saw it time and time again). Our technology that's actually being used in the field is an easy 20 years behind the time (maybe 10 for the "cutting edge" stuff). Fortunately, that's still ahead of most other nations now, but very little of it is nearly as advanced as you would think - and it seldom if ever actually makes it to the field. Your iPod is more advanced than alot equipment in "cutting edge" aircraft in service.

The issue is we as a nation don't have the resolve to accomplish anything anymore. We're overconfident, ignorant, apathetic and given to excess. That's why I compare us to Rome in the final days. I wish I could be optimistic about where we're heading, but the reality is different.
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Posted 9/19/07

Gev wrote:


Marilori wrote:

It's not like English is the actual language of the American country. It was brought over and expanded.


Actually, there was a national vote on on the language we now speak.
German almost beat English.

edit: Yes , than I am also a bad American . I just don`t agree with the god parts , but the rest , I` all for .

Thanks for posting this Duster, I have fallen in love with you all over again.

I`m coming over this weekend to destroy your anus as a reward.


AWWW! That's the sweetest thing you've ever said to me Gev!
*kisses!*
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As far as the military being most powerful... in theory yes. The technology and resources are there. In practice, we're getting our asses kicked by third world nation terrorists.

Actually, it has been shown by a few military historians that the stronger your conventional military is, the more structured it is, and thus the less capable it is when fighting a unconventional, unstructured, guerrilla war...Pretty much this type of engagement is best countered with proper use of special forces and intelligence operatives, but instead most countries [the US included] usually try to confront it head-on with a full scale military action which in turn almost never works. Now, that being said, a conventional force can indeed win in such a conflict, it is just that it would have to wage total war and thus probably have to throw the Geneva Convention out the window...Could the United States have won in Vietnam? Sure...All we had to do was bomb the levies that were holding the water in their rice paddies, factories, roads and railroads, towns, cities...No discrimination...If it moves it dies and if you don't see it moving you destroy its food supply so it starves to death. We could have won it in less than 3 years, rather than "losing" it in 12...Same model could have been applied to Iraq, Afghanistan, and pretty much any other guerrilla conflict. Breaking the will and the means to fight are the two most important tasks in total war, and boy is it effective when done right...Sherman's March to the Sea, Rome's annihilation of Carthage, Rome's breaking up of Israel, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the fire bombings of Dresden and Tokyo...This is total war; it is brutal, it is inhuman, but it is war.

To win, freedom fighters just have to not lose, whereas a country has to win so as not to lose.


A powerful military doesn't do any good when we're not willing to use it properly. It's also a common misconception that we're always #1 in everything military related. Our jets are not always the best (that I know for certain), our people not always the most skilled, and we waste so much money it's absurd. That's why our technology takes so long to see the light of day... it's being milked for cash by contractors and won't be released until the absolute last minute, and usually incomplete (I saw it time and time again). Our technology that's actually being used in the field is an easy 20 years behind the time (maybe 10 for the "cutting edge" stuff). Fortunately, that's still ahead of most other nations now, but very little of it is nearly as advanced as you would think - and it seldom if ever actually makes it to the field. Your iPod is more advanced than alot equipment in "cutting edge" aircraft in service.

You know that may be the case sometimes, but believe you me I have seen some pretty spiffy cockpits on some of the airframes the Navy has and well I wish that I had a setup like that! All electronic FA-18 cockpits, HUD, ect...Yeah, kinda nice...As for other stuff, well it has to prove that it can hold up under tough conditions before it makes it into the field...The Navy has been replacing a bunch of stuff with new equipment only to find that a lot of it is less durable and breaks down more often that the older stuff as a result. That being said, it still works much better when it is operational though...And how about things like the Zumwalt destroyers (coming out pretty soon) and the Virginia class subs for cutting edge? Look at some of the other stuff that the other services have too...I mean I would definitely say that the M-109 25mm sniper rifle is rather cutting edge...There is no other rifle like it in the world! I mean Barret once again created a masterpiece of destruction for the US military...I could go on, but this is starting to digress...
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